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NDS: Nanostray
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Lost Weekend said:Really? I always thought it came with the dev kit. You learn something new everyday, I guess
I thought that was common knowledge. Factor 5 should be making tools for PSP and DS.
Makes no sense why Nintendo are locking online however. I thought they were going online and it was all but announced till they were ready. Turns out its for communication purposes which is very good and not tapped enough for consoles but why completely make online DS games not possible?
Deg said:
Dude, I'm sorry, but I believe you're reading that all wrong.
Interplay does depend on the support of Nintendo for this feature. If it is there, we will include it
it is refering to the support of the big N, not the feature. They have final specs and whatnot by now. They would certainly know if the feature was included. No if's, and's or but's about it. What they don't know is if Nintendo will give them the necessary support to create such games. Like you said, it's right there in black and white
Lost Weekend said:Dude, I'm sorry, but I believe you're reading that all wrong.
Interplay does depend on the support of Nintendo for this feature. If it is there, we will include it
it is refering to the support of the big N, not the feature. They have final specs and whatnot by now. They would certainly know if the feature was included. No if's, and's or but's about it. What they don't know is if Nintendo will give them the necessary support to create such games. Like you said, it's right there in black and white
I think you're being overly optimistic here!
"interplay does depend on the support of Nintendo for this feature.
If it's there we will include it."
'If its there' means the function/property not Nintendo. By support he means that Nintendo DS doesnt support such a feature.
Face it there will be no online games on DS. A step down from GC.
I'm sorry guy, but like I said, you're reading that all wrong. It'll be par for the course. The GCN had a modem, but Nintendo didn't 'support the feature' (not trying to get into a semantical argument, but you know what I mean)
Now we have the DS, and although it is possible to make an internet enabled game, many companies wont do it unless they have some Xbox live kind of system of servers, because they can't afford to maintain that kind of system by themselves. He's saying at the moment they lack that kind of support from Nintendo. It's alot easier to maintain an online leaderboard than maintain servers for online gameplay (although both are possible)
Now we have the DS, and although it is possible to make an internet enabled game, many companies wont do it unless they have some Xbox live kind of system of servers, because they can't afford to maintain that kind of system by themselves. He's saying at the moment they lack that kind of support from Nintendo. It's alot easier to maintain an online leaderboard than maintain servers for online gameplay (although both are possible)
Society said:
well it makes sense when you read what Reggie had to say.
Lost Weekend said:
I dont think so. Reggie made it explicit wireless focus was on internet features and close proximity to other DS's. No wireless play 'across timezones' as he once said. Sounds like the hardware doesnt allow for online gaming according to what i am hearing.
Deg said:
Right. I'm not taking anything away from that. Reggie is right, because Nintendo won't be supporting anyone with online infrastructure or net code or anything of the sort. Therefor, by default, the features will focus on WLAN play. Online play is certainly possible, though, it'll just take a company setting up everything themselves, maintaining their own servers, charging what they want for online play, etc. It's going to be one hell of a hassle if your company doesn't have that kind of set up already. That is what is ment by no support from Nintendo. It's possible, yes. It'll happen, yes. It will be rare, though.
Justin Bailey
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Uhhh, Deg. . .the DS has the ability to go online via 802.11. That's a well known fact, here it is on nintendo's website:
http://www.nintendo.com/ds/overview.jsp
http://www.nintendo.com/ds/overview.jsp
Buggy Loop
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Heh, lets add a reading comprehension lesson too...
"interplay does depend on the support of Nintendo for this feature.
If it's there we will include it."
Can be also be phrased as:
If the support of Nintendo for this feature is there we will include it.
The DS has 802.11 which means it can connect to the internet at a hotspot or wireless lan which in turn means it can connect to other DSs that are also connected to the net. To have net play you also need the following 2 things:
1) Software to do this(which may require APIs from Nintendo, although a dev can work it out for themselves). Easy enough.
2) Server infrastructure. This costs a lot of money and is of course the big issue with online gaming in general, unless of course a p2p network is employed.
"interplay does depend on the support of Nintendo for this feature.
If it's there we will include it."
Can be also be phrased as:
If the support of Nintendo for this feature is there we will include it.
The DS has 802.11 which means it can connect to the internet at a hotspot or wireless lan which in turn means it can connect to other DSs that are also connected to the net. To have net play you also need the following 2 things:
1) Software to do this(which may require APIs from Nintendo, although a dev can work it out for themselves). Easy enough.
2) Server infrastructure. This costs a lot of money and is of course the big issue with online gaming in general, unless of course a p2p network is employed.
Buggy Loop
Gold Member
heidern said:
IP browsers, an old technology that 99% of PC online games have been using, is pretty damn cheap, doesnt require big servers nor lots of money to implement, they let the users host the games and other players join them, the only thing the infrastructure does is know that IP x is hosting and allows z or y number of players to join, gets a request from IP m to join IP x and links them up.
Been done for years and is so cheap that some individuals even do it themselves or companies like gamespy offer it for free.
If 3rd parties want to make their games online, it wont be a problem, i cant think of a western dev that never touched IP browsers on PC or xbox/ps2 ones.