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Neil DeGrasse Tyson Counts Down His Top Ten Sci-Fi Movies

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Doctor Ninja

Sphincter Speaker
Deep Impact ? Really ?

This is one of the cheesiest and overly melodramatic disaster movies I've seen in my life.

And The Island is the best Michael Bay movie period.
 
Science Fiction at it's heart is based around scientifically plausible science. Even the Terminator with time travel.

Star Wars deals with worlds beyond our scope and also things like the Force(Magic) which are not scientifically plausible.

What have I done?

Wouldn't your qualification disqualify 2001 with their obelisks?
 

Azulsky

Member
Not many more hard sci-fi movies exist that he could have listed.

I find that I have basically the same opinion about Watchmen as Mr. Tyson regarding superhero movies, the characters had the most depth and that really sold the movie. I have read the comic though so I might be rose tinting it a bit as i understand other people dont agree with this.

Most 'scifi' movies are action + romance with a side of sci-fi. The fact that the setting of the movie exists in some future situation is just incidental to the plot to provide interest, most of them dont dwell on the intellectual side of the spectrum too much.

The deep impact pick felt forced, like he had to pick something from the asteroid genre but realized it was all crap.

Wouldn't your qualification disqualify 2001 with their obelisks?

AI storyline. It doesnt seem extraordinary now but for its time it was.

The purpose of the monoliths is explained in the subsequent book 2010.
 

Spinluck

Member
ЯAW;115161079 said:
Ugh, B&W movies. Just do yourself a favor and watch the Keanue Reeves version from 2008. Much better paced with better acting.

:Lol

I will never understand this.
 

ЯAW

Banned
Not many more hard sci-fi movies exist that he could have listed.

I find that I have basically the same opinion about Watchmen as Mr. Tyson regarding superhero movies, the characters had the most depth and that really sold the movie. I have read the comic though so I might be rose tinting it a bit as i understand other people dont agree with this.

Most 'scifi' movies are action + romance with a side of sci-fi. The fact that the setting of the movie exists in some future situation is just incidental to the plot to provide interest, most of them dont dwell on the intellectual side of the spectrum too much.

The deep impact pick felt forced, like he had to pick something from the asteroid genre but realized it was all crap.
Yeah, I love scifi but the when it comes to tv/movies it is slim pickings. Hopefully some of the upcoming scifi shows will take off and we will see new scifi boom.
 

Azulsky

Member
ЯAW;115168486 said:
Yeah, I love scifi but the when it comes to tv/movies it is slim pickings. Hopefully some of the upcoming scifi shows will take off and we will see new scifi boom.

Interstellar is at this level provided they did not massively redo that 2k8 script.
 

Parch

Member
Basically, there are two categories of "Sci-Fi":
Science Fiction - tries to remain scientifically plausible. Typically supported by actual scientific principles, even if only on the theoretical end of science. (Star Trek)
Future Fantasy - Technology and alien stuff are a stand-in for magic. The story does not care if its supported by science, only if the audience can suspend disbelief. (Star Wars)
Science Fiction goes a lot farther than "scientifically plausible". There is plenty of sci-fi that defy laws of physics and is not at all likely to be probable. That includes a lot more than just fantasy magic. Just accepting sci-fi as scientifically plausible often leads to false ideas when a person simply says "anything can happen" but in reality there is plenty of sci-fi that is impossible.

I suppose there's always some laws of physics that we don't understand yet, but realistically there's a lot that is highly unlikely to impossible. Even with a basic knowledge of science a person can differentiate between probable sci-fi and highly unlikely sci-fi. Sometimes fiction is just fiction with little to no basis on reality, no matter how technically and scientifically cool they make it sound.
 

kswiston

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Science Fiction goes a lot farther than "scientifically plausible". There is plenty of sci-fi that defy laws of physics and is not at all likely to be probable. That includes a lot more than just fantasy magic. Just accepting sci-fi as scientifically plausible often leads to false ideas when a person simply says "anything can happen" but in reality there is plenty of sci-fi that is impossible.

I suppose there's always some laws of physics that we don't understand yet, but realistically there's a lot that is highly unlikely to impossible. Even with a basic knowledge of science a person can differentiate between probable sci-fi and highly unlikely sci-fi. Sometimes fiction is just fiction with little to no basis on reality, no matter how technically and scientifically cool they make it sound.

Even if the science is very unlikely (hence fiction), sci fi usually tries to play out the logical consequences of those technologies/scenarios. Look at classic HG Wells novels like the Time Machine, or War of the Worlds for example. The fact that the science in those novels is obviously wrong, doesn't change what the novels were trying to accomplish.
 

Forceatowulf

G***n S**n*bi
Solid as fuck list. No Gattaca is sad doe.

Seeing Watchmen on here surprised me though, but in a good way! Suck it haters, even Neil da God Tyson knows that movie was the shit.
 
Looks like he forgot the classic Disney The Black Hole.

I just stumbled on a video where N dGT names "The Black Hole" as the scientifically most IN-accurate sci-fi movie ever. He goes on to say, that if it had been accurate, it would actually have been a more interesting movie.
 

Parch

Member
The fact that the science in those novels is obviously wrong, doesn't change what the novels were trying to accomplish.
Sure, it's entertainment. Which was all it was trying to accomplish.

I enjoy all sorts of sci-fi, but I just don't stick to the "anything is possible" belief. Everything is NOT possible. Science can be a real buzz kill for science fiction, and there is actually very little sci-fi that is actually scientifically plausible. But that doesn't change the enjoyment.
 
Sure, it's entertainment. Which was all it was trying to accomplish.

I enjoy all sorts of sci-fi, but I just don't stick to the "anything is possible" belief. Everything is NOT possible. Science can be a real buzz kill for science fiction, and there is actually very little sci-fi that is actually scientifically plausible. But that doesn't chance the enjoyment.

Sometimes when a movie just works emotionally, I don't care about the plausibility or science.

Frequency is a good example. The time travel in that movie is really sloppy and doesn't work in any kind of logical manner. But the emotions are there, so you don't care.
 

Screaming Meat

Unconfirmed Member
Having read the comic multiple times I agree it is a masterpiece but the movie is amazing also but people always compare it to the comic and keeping the from judging it as its own work. I don't see how anyone who has read the comic can hate the movie it is almost the same thing scene for scene, line for line. Which is why it is good.

There are plenty of impactful differences. The movie is pure spectacle. Very nice to look at, but there is nothing Under the Hood, so to speak.
 
Most 'scifi' movies are action + romance with a side of sci-fi. The fact that the setting of the movie exists in some future situation is just incidental to the plot to provide interest, most of them dont dwell on the intellectual side of the spectrum too much.

A fav of mine is in that category that not many have listed, Enemy Mind. I own a dvd of it. I respect his list because I can be confident it is his own self made opinion from a guy who doesn't look for consensus. In my top 10 I would have had Terminator 2, Alien, Aliens and maybe 12 monkeys in there for sure.
 
There are plenty of impactful differences. The movie is pure spectacle. Very nice to look at, but there is nothing Under the Hood, so to speak.
I don't get this? All the different dimensions the characters had in the comics are there in the movie, it's not like the changed any of them. Also alot of the movie is more enjoyable then the comic for me. Night owls reaction to Rorschach dieing, The animated portions for the tales of the black fraitor, and many other things they did just made a impact for me. The movie has plenty "under the hood" it's just people say "it's not the comic!" and disregard it when it really might as well be the comic in motion :/
 

Parch

Member
I don't see how anyone who has read the comic can hate the movie it is almost the same thing scene for scene, line for line. Which is why it is good.
I intentionally avoided the movie so that I could read the comic first. I'm glad I did.
There's stuff left out and some changes, but it's a very faithful adaptation of the comic story. There's a lot that is literally line for line. This compared to modern movies that are only using the characters as a basis to do their own story.
Watchman is brilliant, both comic and movie.
 

Dan

No longer boycotting the Wolfenstein franchise
I'm surprised he's not bummed out by Jodie Foster turning into a dumb fool at the end of Contact. That kinda ruins the movie for me. Also, the strawman religious stuff. Sorry, the world's religions would riot so fucking hard if McConaughey's loosey goosey theist were representing them.
 

Parch

Member
His list with a bunch of big budget popcorn flicks shouldn't be a surprise considering how he presents Cosmos. His TV spacecraft that can time travel and explore at the atomic level is about as fictional as it can get. He's using a lot of sci-fi to teach reality.

Just because he's a science guy doesn't mean that his movie choices have to be factual.
 
His list with a bunch of big budget popcorn flicks shouldn't be a surprise considering how he presents Cosmos. His TV spacecraft that can time travel and explore at the atomic level is about as fictional as it can get. He's using a lot of sci-fi to teach reality.

Just because he's a science guy doesn't mean that his movie choices have to be factual.

That's a primary conceit of the original Cosmos as well. Its a "Ship of the Imagination." Sagan knew the best way to teach such complicated concepts to the masses was to show them.
 

Wolfe

Member
Pretty "Meh" list, to be honest. I expected better from him.

That list needs:

Moon.
District 9
Serenity
Alien

Pretty "Meh" post, to be honest. I expected his opinion to be better respected.

It's interesting seeing his choices and hearing the reasons behind them, some damn good choices in there.
 

MattKeil

BIGTIME TV MOGUL #2
The Island is the high budget version of Parts: The Clonus Horror, not Gattaca. And Gattaca is way better than The Island.
 

Screaming Meat

Unconfirmed Member
I don't get this? All the different dimensions the characters had in the comics are there in the movie, it's not like the changed any of them.

Barring the fact that the film can't physically give us everything the comic does, it manages to bring many a classic scene from the comic to the screen fairly faithfully. Unfortunately, it also manages to miss the point on so many levels it is painful. Here, you brought up a great example:

Night owls reaction to Rorschach dieing...

...is pure, unadulterated, Hollywood bullshit. It's awful. A brilliant scene utterly mangled in translation.

The film gives us Rorschach and Manhattan's exchange, sure, but what could've been a contemplative moment between two characters is torn asunder by a cringy Hollywood "NOOOOO" from Niteowl, followed by him then beating up the guy who not only soundly pounded him mere moments ago without breaking a sweat, but who also has a monumental enough ego that it would be completely out of character for him to simply let himself get beaten up (case in point: he never got over having his arse handed to him by The Comedian all those years ago, hence why he was so vicious during the rematch).

Now, in the comic, this scene is a quiet moment between Manhattan and Rorschach, the moral absolutist/existentialist man facing God and being judged in the snow, alone (in stark contrast to Veidt meeting Manhattan). No one else really knows what happens to him here. It's an intensely emotional moment without being trite or histrionic.

Was Niteowl's insertion into this scene necessary? Did they drive the plot along or give us a better understanding of the characters and their motivations? Did they perhaps add a layer of symbolism or thematic development? No. Why add them? They had to have Nite Owl do those things because Hollywood can't have (what is ostensibly) a "bad guy" get away with his nefarious scheme without having some kind of comeuppance. Is that a sentiment the comic holds to? No, absolutely not.

The film wears the comic's skin, but it does not have it's heart.
 

MattKeil

BIGTIME TV MOGUL #2
The film wears the comic's skin, but it does not have it's heart.

This. The film is about as good as we could hope for in terms of a film adaptation, but it's so far short of its source material it's not really worth bothering. And the change to the ending is terrible and breaks the story.
 
Barring the fact that the film can't physically give us everything the comic does, it manages to bring many a classic scene from the comic to the screen fairly faithfully. Unfortunately, it also manages to miss the point on so many levels it is painful. Here, you brought up a great example:



...is pure, unadulterated, Hollywood bullshit. It's awful. A brilliant scene utterly mangled in translation.

The film gives us Rorschach and Manhattan's exchange, sure, but what could've been a contemplative moment between two characters is torn asunder by a cringy Hollywood "NOOOOO" from Niteowl, followed by him then beating up the guy who not only soundly pounded him mere moments ago without breaking a sweat, but who also has a monumental enough ego that it would be completely out of character for him to simply let himself get beaten up (case in point: he never got over having his arse handed to him by The Comedian all those years ago, hence why he was so vicious during the rematch).

Now, in the comic, this scene is a quiet moment between Manhattan and Rorschach, the moral absolutist/existentialist man facing God and being judged in the snow, alone (in stark contrast to Veidt meeting Manhattan). No one else really knows what happens to him here. It's an intensely emotional moment without being trite or histrionic.

Was Niteowl's insertion into this scene necessary? Did they drive the plot along or give us a better understanding of the characters and their motivations? Did they perhaps add a layer of symbolism or thematic development? No. Why add them? They had to have Nite Owl do those things because Hollywood can't have (what is ostensibly) a "bad guy" get away with his nefarious scheme without having some kind of comeuppance. Is that a sentiment the comic holds to? No, absolutely not.

The film wears the comic's skin, but it does not have it's heart.

The hero this thread deserves.
 

G.O.O.

Member
I'm wondering how relevant is that kind of list. Are we trying to bring the mind of a scientist in the pop culture field ? Because that rarely works
 
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