NeoGAF Arcade Stick Thread
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DaCocoBrova
Finally bought a new PSP, but then pushed the demon onto someone else. Jesus.
Anyone have a link to a guide for putting a wired 360 pad PCB in an Hori EX2?
i got my madcatz te stick last week and i love it for the most part. i am having a bit of an issue with it. the buttons and stick are all great, but, the controller disconnects itself without actually being disconnected... it's really frustrating to be in the middle of a ranked match, blocking an ultra and suddenly it flashes "please reconnect controller" on-screen and i stopped blocking and die as a result. has anyone else had this problem?
Psychotext
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I've been informed that there's not a lot of difference between Sanwa / Seimitsu buttons... but there is between the joysticks. Anyone know what that might be, and perhaps be able to put it into terms that someone who has never used either might understand? 
sixteen-bit
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Psychotext said:I've been informed that there's not a lot of difference between Sanwa / Seimitsu buttons... but there is between the joysticks. Anyone know what that might be, and perhaps be able to put it into terms that someone who has never used either might understand?
Sanwa and Seimitsu buttons are actually very different. Seimitsus are flatter/less convex than Sanwa and also require more pressure to activate.
As far as the sticks go, generally Seimitsus are tighter and have a shorter throw than Sanwa.
Spiderjericho
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Yeah...Akihibara...Per/Real Neo Geo sends a picture of the parts before they ship them out. Though their service is a bit slow (because they wait for a whole gaggle of orders to ship), their customer service is A+. They also "seem" to carry more Japanese parts than Lizard Lick.
Seimitsu buttons are less sensitive than Sanwa. I think Markman or Yes Boss (or one of the other joystick experts) should comment on the throw of the Seimitsu vs. Sanwa. I tried out my HRAP EX SE...and the throw seemed a bit different. I actually liked how it felt. My understand...is Sanwa's are usually used in fighters...while Seimitsu's are for shooters.
Seimitsu buttons are less sensitive than Sanwa. I think Markman or Yes Boss (or one of the other joystick experts) should comment on the throw of the Seimitsu vs. Sanwa. I tried out my HRAP EX SE...and the throw seemed a bit different. I actually liked how it felt. My understand...is Sanwa's are usually used in fighters...while Seimitsu's are for shooters.
Psychotext
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Really? I was just looking at the OBSF-30 and PS-14-KN buttons and couldn't see much difference between them in terms of shape._dementia said:
I really need to get hold of some... but short of actually buying them there's not a lot I can do about that!
Spiderjericho said:
That is actually pretty neat. I'll try them out next time I order parts...just gotta find out what is in the Deathsmiles stick before I order. I'm anticipating a bit of work on that stick.
Not sure about the throw on the Seimitsu sticks, that is definitely something MarkMan should know about . But the stick is quite a bit snappier. As for buttons, I prefer the Seimitsu more for shooters but it really depends on the game. On a game like Dodonpachi I'm using Sanwa because the feather-like buttons are easier for switching between laser and spread. Also, the Seimitsu buttons and stick are a bit louder...more clicky on the stick and more thud-like on the buttons...like buttons you'd find in some industrial plant.
Psychotext said:
Quite a difference on shape. Seimitsu button tops are parallel to the faceplate of your stick: Sanwa definitely bubble up a bit. The look of the Seimitsu are infinitely more pleasing to the eye.
Spiderjericho
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Yeah, I did notice the clickiness when I was using my SE. I kind of liked it. I'm sure Japanese homes not so much...
I ordered Seimitsu buttons and a stick from Akihabara last week. I'm going to install them into my SE. My TEs have been gathering dust in the box...since...performance wise...it plays exactly like the HRAPs (post Sanwa buttox).
I have to say...I like playing with sticks more. I played KOF XI...with the Saturn pad. And my thumb was killing me. Also the combos are easier to execute in SF IV with the stick (except for zany ultra combos with FADC...which require dexterity).
I'm afraid to let people know I have eight joysticks. It's insane how my collection ballooned from 0 to 8 in a few months.
I ordered Seimitsu buttons and a stick from Akihabara last week. I'm going to install them into my SE. My TEs have been gathering dust in the box...since...performance wise...it plays exactly like the HRAPs (post Sanwa buttox).
I have to say...I like playing with sticks more. I played KOF XI...with the Saturn pad. And my thumb was killing me. Also the combos are easier to execute in SF IV with the stick (except for zany ultra combos with FADC...which require dexterity).
I'm afraid to let people know I have eight joysticks. It's insane how my collection ballooned from 0 to 8 in a few months.
Spiderjericho
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Yes Boss! said:
I love their clear buttons and ball tops...ooh
Psychotext
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I was thinking more in terms of the actual bit of the button you press being convex etc. I appreciate that the housing and whatnot are quite different.Yes Boss! said:
(I really like the translucent effect on the Seimitsu buttons)
SlaughterX
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DoubleTap said:
Hope the 360 version gets back in stock soon...
sixteen-bit
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Resurrecting the HRAP1 button layout I see.MarkMan said:
Never played, AH; I presume it's a 5-button game with a layout similar to GGXX? The pink buttons seem to suggest that.
Shadowlink
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My SE SFIV stick arrived today. I bought it from Madcatz
Any B&M Gamestop preorders receive any word on their TE stick for this week? My store told me the first week of March and they have no clue what is going on with them. Seems every time I call I get a different story, some employees swear there was a manufactures defect with the TE stick and its joystick. When I explain that is the SE sticks, they insist it was all SF4 MC sticks.
HankScorpio
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Yes Boss! said:
yep, they do it for every order.
haunts said:
Seems like everybody got hammered for SFIV.
Best just to wait till late march when Madcatz gets more SEs out there. Hori (Japan) seems to be slammed as well and is in between productions.
Even folks who have TEs preordered (I'm still waiting on one more) are not expecting them to be fulfilled until sometime in late March.
Folks have said to check Gamecrazy as they are a minor player compared to Gamestop and sometimes they've gotten stuff in post-SFIV launch. My Gamecrazy had two TE sticks opened for customers to play with in the store.
It's going to be a long wait but I really don't mind anymore. I've gotten over the fact that I won't be getting a stick until the end of March. It turned out better than I thought actually because I just got a shitload of homework and a couple of midterms these next few weeks and the stick would have been distracting me. :lol
SlaughterX
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Yes Boss! said:
Don't buy the SE, it's garbage. If you're not trying to spend a lot on a stick then wait for the Hori EX2s to get back in stock, it's a much better stick if you don't plan on modding it or if you don't mind the fact that it's harder to mod.
SlaughterX said:
Oh, I don't have an SE or intend to buy one...just was letting Haunts know that that is probably his nearest option for a 360 stick. Also, I'm pretty sure the next run of SE sticks will be fixed out-of-the-box.
Well, once they come back in stock I might buy one to play around with and mod.
Has it been confirmed if Hori is releasing a second run of Hraps stateside? Arcade Shock seemed to imply it was gonna be a one-time offer during SFIV.
Psychotext
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Quick question... my missus has found a case design she wants to use for her stick:
http://byrdo.org/Album163.htm
I've seen these quite a lot online, but I can't seem to find any specs / instructions for them. Anyone seen them / used some?
http://byrdo.org/Album163.htm
I've seen these quite a lot online, but I can't seem to find any specs / instructions for them. Anyone seen them / used some?
memecomplex
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Psychotext said:I've been informed that there's not a lot of difference between Sanwa / Seimitsu buttons... but there is between the joysticks. Anyone know what that might be, and perhaps be able to put it into terms that someone who has never used either might understand?
Sanwa buttons feel lighter to the touch, and they make sharper sounds. Tchak tchak thack!
Seimitsu buttons feel slightly heavier and they make dull hollow sounds. Thock thock thock!
Sanwas require less pressure to activate so they're more suited to precise fighting game button presses.
Seimitsu buttons feel much better for shooters where you have to rapidly tap the fire buttons because of the slightly more spongier feel when you tap the buttons.
Visually the Sanwas are made of shinier plastic that the Seimitsus, which doesn't look as good up close as the Sanwas.
But you can make do with either for whatever purposes, they are both great buttons.
Shadowlink
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Markman, for some reason my LT button on my SE stick stopped working. Was it a quick disconnect? I ordered this from Madcatz last Friday, and just received it today.
Just got my TE stick today and played a few rounds of SFIV with Ryu. Having a really hard time of doing fireballs & dragon punches. Even more weird, I am having a harder time on left side vs right. X360 controller seems easier. :lol
The last SF arcade I really played was SF II: WW & Alpha. Do the arcade machines uses octagon or square gates?
The last SF arcade I really played was SF II: WW & Alpha. Do the arcade machines uses octagon or square gates?
sixteen-bit
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I thought you had a dual-modded VSHG?haunts said:
sixteen-bit
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It could take weeks to adjust to a stick if you've used pads all your life. Keep practicing.knitoe said:
Yeah, Street Fighter IV arcade machines use same exact Sanwa JLF-TP-8YT-SK-W lever with square gates. The Madcatz TE is 1:1 with an SF4 Vewlix cab (well, 1:1 +2 additional action buttons, and turbos etc).
gray_fox224
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Baron said:Arcade parts package en route from Japan to California. Should arrive in a few days!
Thanks for the post Baron. Since I plan on ordering from the site, its nice to see other gaffers having solid transactions.
gray_fox224 said:
Sure thing. I've ordered four times now from Akihabarashop at this point - I think I've given them about $500 USD for two HRAP SA sticks and a bunch of buttons/stick parts. They are very good, and at this point, much faster than Lizard Lick, who I have ordered from as well in the past with only a 3-day turnaround, but their current 2-3 week delay is unacceptable.
gray_fox224
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knitoe said:
I believe the U.S. cabinets had circular gates.
Cross-posted from SRK:
Finally decided to just keep my FSTE, and so didn't waste much time in getting the replacement artwork on there. First, the picture:
A few notes the process:
1. I trimmed a bit off the edges of the template (roughly 0.12"), as I wasn't sure if there was enough space left for lamination. I probably could've trimmed off a bit less.
2. The art was printed on 60 lb matte paper at a local print/graphics shop. The Kinko's in my area didn't have Lami-Label, and both OfficeMax and Staples only had it (or whatever their equivalent is called) in standard letter size. So I just used normal lamination, and then used Scotch removable double sized tape to apply it.
3. I masked off the art and painted the edges with the flat black Krylon Fusion that I bought for painting the bezel.
4. Forgot which way the JLF connector pointed the first time I put it back together and was in for a surprise when I first tried using it... "wtf, why are the directions backwards?" :lol
Anyway, this is probably best considered a "prototype", as there are still some issues and unfinished bits:
1. Already a scratch on the artwork. =(
2. The painted edges of the lamination isn't very well done. I'll have to experiment some, might have to use something other than the Krylon Fusion.
3. Bezel is still unpainted (I'm still trying to decide between white and black).
4. My cutting skills could use some improvement (think I got the hang of it after I'd cut out the function panel and a few buttons), and think a bit of sanding would help as well.
So that's that. I'm pretty sure I'll re-do the whole thing (should be much easier now that I know what to do) soon, and also probably end up with some Seimitsu clear buttons down the road as well, and so put art in those. Also trying to decide if I want to replace the top with something else (I love the Seimitsu bubble tops, but not sure it'll really fit the artwork).
Finally decided to just keep my FSTE, and so didn't waste much time in getting the replacement artwork on there. First, the picture:
A few notes the process:
1. I trimmed a bit off the edges of the template (roughly 0.12"), as I wasn't sure if there was enough space left for lamination. I probably could've trimmed off a bit less.
2. The art was printed on 60 lb matte paper at a local print/graphics shop. The Kinko's in my area didn't have Lami-Label, and both OfficeMax and Staples only had it (or whatever their equivalent is called) in standard letter size. So I just used normal lamination, and then used Scotch removable double sized tape to apply it.
3. I masked off the art and painted the edges with the flat black Krylon Fusion that I bought for painting the bezel.
4. Forgot which way the JLF connector pointed the first time I put it back together and was in for a surprise when I first tried using it... "wtf, why are the directions backwards?" :lol
Anyway, this is probably best considered a "prototype", as there are still some issues and unfinished bits:
1. Already a scratch on the artwork. =(
2. The painted edges of the lamination isn't very well done. I'll have to experiment some, might have to use something other than the Krylon Fusion.
3. Bezel is still unpainted (I'm still trying to decide between white and black).
4. My cutting skills could use some improvement (think I got the hang of it after I'd cut out the function panel and a few buttons), and think a bit of sanding would help as well.
So that's that. I'm pretty sure I'll re-do the whole thing (should be much easier now that I know what to do) soon, and also probably end up with some Seimitsu clear buttons down the road as well, and so put art in those. Also trying to decide if I want to replace the top with something else (I love the Seimitsu bubble tops, but not sure it'll really fit the artwork).
So in general people are happy with their TE sticks?
I was hoping to get an HRAP awhile ago and mod it, but prices weren't really much better on them, and I thought I read the sticks on those are soldered and don't have the 5 pin connectors? I really want whatever I get to be easily fixable/changeable.
I put in an order for a TE stick, but I'm wondering if they'll just never arrive or take forever. Supposedly they're coming mid-March (this is Canada).
There might be a modded Fighting Stick 3 I could get my hands on, probably for half what a TE is. I don't know if I'd be happy with that.
I was hoping to get an HRAP awhile ago and mod it, but prices weren't really much better on them, and I thought I read the sticks on those are soldered and don't have the 5 pin connectors? I really want whatever I get to be easily fixable/changeable.
I put in an order for a TE stick, but I'm wondering if they'll just never arrive or take forever. Supposedly they're coming mid-March (this is Canada).
There might be a modded Fighting Stick 3 I could get my hands on, probably for half what a TE is. I don't know if I'd be happy with that.
SlaughterX
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I wonder if Namco will team up with Hori again and bring a Tekken 6 LE with a HRAP for $150. I don't give a shit about Tekken, but if they made a bundle for the 360 for that price I'd pay the extra $20, sell Tekken and keep the stick. 
Psychotext
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Quoting my question for the new page. I'd wager someone must know. Will include an image:Psychotext said:
Spiderjericho
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Haunts,
You could always check locally with Fry's or Game Crazy (as was mentioned). Your best bet is getting your hands on the SE and letting Akuma001 (since you do hang out together)mod it for you, dual PCB goodness. Just make sure to order the replacement parts.
And it takes a hell of a lot more work to get the EX2 modded to an acceptable level than the SE.
SFIV has caused a massive joystick shortage. I didn't think that would be possible. But I saw HRAP3s going for $300. Are TE's still going for $500 on Ebay?
Interesting new HRAP...looks like the same design...(sigh)...and crappy Hori buttons. I wonder if the stick is going to use a 5-pin connector or solder points?
Those Byrdo's look bad asseth.
My Akihabara order was shipped today. I ordered last week...so it was a one week turnaround. I'll post picture later.
You could always check locally with Fry's or Game Crazy (as was mentioned). Your best bet is getting your hands on the SE and letting Akuma001 (since you do hang out together)mod it for you, dual PCB goodness. Just make sure to order the replacement parts.
And it takes a hell of a lot more work to get the EX2 modded to an acceptable level than the SE.
SFIV has caused a massive joystick shortage. I didn't think that would be possible. But I saw HRAP3s going for $300. Are TE's still going for $500 on Ebay?
Interesting new HRAP...looks like the same design...(sigh)...and crappy Hori buttons. I wonder if the stick is going to use a 5-pin connector or solder points?
Those Byrdo's look bad asseth.
My Akihabara order was shipped today. I ordered last week...so it was a one week turnaround. I'll post picture later.
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