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After days of searching I officially give up in finding a good 360 stick for normal prices.

TE stick? lol @ ebay prices
Hori EX ? lol @ ebay prices (+ 80$ shipping to europe ya ?)

SE sticks arrives on amazon in april (europe), which is like aeons away. (I have all parts needed to fully sanwa mod it)

I guess, there is nothing more to do for me except waiting for my cherry switches to arrive so I can replace my broken switches in my EX2.

:-/
 
Just got my HRAP 3 and the stick feels nice and solid. I'm going to have to use xpadder with it to make it compatible with some of my shooters and emulators that have trouble recognizing joysticks. Also looking forward to getting some semitsu buttons as well.

I tried a couple of games of Last Blade 2, and I think the square gate has got to go. I'm curious as to why it's considered standard in arcades and such.
 
Rummy Bunnz said:
I dunno, I don't think it would take much time to teach someone how to stick stuff in a box.

I placed an order with LL weeks ago, and I understand the guy's swamped, but it takes a few minutes to just go online and let everyone know what's up. It's smart business. Akihabara Shop's main page clearly shows what orders they're currently working on. That's great. Far better than a simple 'you may have to wait 2 weeks' message and relaying secondhand information through SRK forum posters. It would be nice if he just edited the front page of his site or the OP in his SRK thread with a little more info. "These items are OOS, I'm working on orders from this date, blah blah blah." I shouldn't have to wade through all the crybaby and groupie SRK posts just to get to that info.

this.

I'm not too upset, as I understand the demand right now for this stuff is pretty high, but some kind of a more detailed update would be appreciated.

Hindsight is always 20/20, but it is a bit weird that madcatz couldn't account for this level of demand. Oh well. At least I got my stick. Now I just need my parts so I can actually use it.
 
Nardonicus said:
this.

I'm not too upset, as I understand the demand right now for this stuff is pretty high, but some kind of a more detailed update would be appreciated.

Businesses large and small have to be incredibly careful as to what information regarding their internal operations are leaked. Akihabara is setup in an entirely different commercial culture; on top of that, just about none of us have any idea exactly how extensive LL's capacity is. I've worked for a $2m/yr retailer (which LL seems like it can easily fall under) and we had a skeleton crew of about 5-6 people at all times; facing a sudden influx of demand like this would have decimated, DECIMATED, our usual procedures. The staff very may well not have time to answer an email, nevermind providing updated operation status for its customers.

Hiring temp workers or expanding their inventory is not something that can necessary something that can be done in weeks, nevermind days. It's easy to say that they should have anticipated this, except small business would have needed to risk hundreds upon thousands of dollars to invest in extra inventory, manpower, operation changes. Many businesses cannot afford to take those kinds of risks based simply on quantitatively unmeasurable hype.

People are expressing that they feel they deserve detailed reasoning why their product is delayed; they do not. Lizardlick has already more than fulfilled its obligation as a retailer by very clearly declaring the extensiveness of the delays.
 
Davidion said:
Businesses large and small have to be incredibly careful as to what information regarding their internal operations are leaked. Akihabara is setup in an entirely different commercial culture; on top of that, just about none of us have any idea exactly how extensive LL's capacity is. I've worked for a $2m/yr retailer (which LL seems like it can easily fall under) and we had a skeleton crew of about 5-6 people at all times; facing a sudden influx of demand like this would have decimated, DECIMATED, our usual procedures. The staff very may well not have time to answer an email, nevermind providing updated operation status for its customers.

Hiring temp workers or expanding their inventory is not something that can necessary something that can be done in weeks, nevermind days. It's easy to say that they should have anticipated this, except small business would have needed to risk hundreds upon thousands of dollars to invest in extra inventory, manpower, operation changes. Many businesses cannot afford to take those kinds of risks based simply on quantitatively unmeasurable hype.

People are expressing that they feel they deserve detailed reasoning why their product is delayed; they do not. Lizardlick has already more than fulfilled its obligation as a retailer by very clearly declaring the extensiveness of the delays.

I understand but.. here's my deal: I ordered some parts a little over a week ago, due to some financial problems, I had to "return" the parts and get a refund. I haven't received said items (I called and confirmed they were never shipped) and it's over 4 days.. still have yet to receive and kind of word or reply on refund of my payment. I understand they're swamped an what not but.. I just want my money back? HELL even a email confirming my money will soon be on it's way back to my wallet would be awesome.
 
Assembly Required said:
I understand but.. here's my deal: I ordered some parts a little over a week ago, due to some financial problems, I had to "return" the parts and get a refund. I haven't received said items (I called and confirmed they were never shipped) and it's over 4 days.. still have yet to receive and kind of word or reply on refund of my payment. I understand they're swamped an what not but.. I just want my money back? HELL even a email confirming my money will soon be on it's way back to my wallet would be awesome.

That's a shitty situation for you, and I understand why you'd be angry. However, do keep in mind that they can't necessarily spare staff to even answer emails and refund money (it's a lot more time consuming than you'd realize, depending on what kind of relationship they have with CC companies and what not). Processing a return or a refund is much more problematic and complicated than processing a normal order, so as nonsensical as it may seem to you as a customer, from their view it's a more time-consuming task that yields them no revenue when they're struggling to even send out the orders that they have. It's a difficult situation for you, yet it's also likely a difficult situation for them. These kinds of standoffs are common in retail, and it sucks, but it is what it is for both parties.

Keep in mind that the word-of-mouth reviews that I've seen (and you may have seen different) for this store has been nothing less than solid right up to the SFIV release, which tells me they're basically getting screwed to hell and back as much as you, the customer, are. It's not as likely that they're just dicking shoppers over because they're lazy or incompetent.

My advice to you is to keep your records, give them some breathing space, and follow up with them every week or so. I know that may seem like a long time to you, but keep in mind the boat they're in as well. If times have slowed down and their operations seems to back in order and you're STILL getting this kind of response, then it's certainly inexcusable. I know it's less satisfying and reassuring than the "well yeah they should refund you RIGHT NOW" brand of support that you'd expect from other forum dwellers, but keep up with them and stay calm and you should get your money back before you know it.

Why am I doing CS work for a company that I don't work for? :lol
 
Mattlikewhoa said:
I love akihabarashop!!! My latest order came from them today via EMS shipping (I like getting my stuff sooner then later).
Hearing how it takes almost 3 weeks for orders through LL. I sent in request to cancel my recent order. Just ordered octagon gate, white bat and 2 white buttons from akihabarashop using EMS shipping too. How long did it take for you?
 
Davidion said:
That's a shitty situation for you, and I understand why you'd be angry. However, do keep in mind that they can't necessarily spare staff to even answer emails and refund money (it's a lot more time consuming than you'd realize, depending on what kind of relationship they have with CC companies and what not). Processing a return is much more problematic and complicated than processing a normal order, so as nonsensical as it may seem to you as a customer, from their view it's a more time-consuming task that yields them no revenue when they're struggling to even send out the orders that they have. It's a difficult situation for you, yet it's also likely a difficult situation for them. These kinds of standoffs are common in retail, and it sucks, but it is what it is for both parties.

Keep in mind that the word-of-mouth reciews that I've seen (you may have seen different) for this store has been nothing less than solid right up to the SFIV release, which tells me they're basically getting screwed to hell and back as much as you, the customer, are. It's not as likely that they're just dicking shoppers over because they're lazy or incompetent.

My advice to you is to keep your records, give them some breathing space, and follow up with them every week or so. I know that may seem like a long time to you, but keep in mind the boat they're in as well. If times have slowed down and their operations seems to back in order and you're STILL getting this kind of response, then it's certainly inexcusable. I know it's less satisfying and reassuring than the "well yeah they should refund you RIGHT NOW" brand of support that you'd expect from other forum dwellers, but keep up with them and stay calm and you should get your money back before you know it.

Why am I doing CS work for a company that I don't work for? :lol

You might want to send them a resume? ..I'm pretty sure you'd be hired on the spot. And yeah, I understand. I worked in retail all my life.. up until I was screwed by (Yours truly!) Circuit City..

I really hate this situation and yeah they're doing a great job (I guess..?) but still, at LEAST a confirmation email of some sort. They still have my money, not asking much eh? Sadly, this is the reason why I barely make online transactions. I feel like there will always be hoops that need to be jumped through for one reason or another. Ehh...

And not to sound like an arsehole or anything, I'm just sour at the moment.
 
Davidion said:
Why am I doing CS work for a company that I don't work for?

Why are you so fervently apologizing and defending Lizard Lick? The fact is, they are a business. They have an obligation to provide good customer service and prompt attention to the people that hand over their hard-earned money to them. They have failed utterly in that regard. I like them - I've ordered from them in the past. But I'm sure as hell not going to be an apologist for a company taking three weeks to send out internet orders to people buying a bunch of electronic buttons. They screwed up. Don't apologize for them - that is the problem - they haven't so much as said a peep about the situation to their customers at all. Putting a sentence at the top of your web page doesn't count as customer service.
 
Davidion said:
Why am I doing CS work for a company that I don't work for? :lol

I don't know but don't quit your day job. Business is business and if a business is not telling customers what's up and not refunding people's money in a prompt manner, it's bad business. Plain and simple.

SF IV has really made both a big business (Mad Catz) and a small business (LL) look really darn bad.
 
Davidion said:
The staff very may well not have time to answer an email, nevermind providing updated operation status for its customers.
He has time to speak on the phone with SRK posters, who then go and relay information to the board. Maybe they're lying, but...damn, how crazy do you have to be to pretend to be friends with someone who sells buttons?

Editing the OP of his SRK thread or his website would take a few minutes at most per day. I am pretty sure he'd see a reduction in emails and refund requests if he did it. It would be good for his business and good for his customers. Also if he can't meet demand mmmmaybe it would be a good idea to stop accepting orders temporarily.

I don't think he's made a post on SRK since last week, and that worries me. I've seen situations like this before and often once the usually reliable dude stops communicating he flips out and runs off with everyone's money. You HAVE to keep in touch with your customers. There's no excuse not to.
 
!!!!!!!!

Amazon just shipped my TE stick (PS3). Too bad its coming USPS from Nevada (I'm in PA). UGH. I ordered January 19 for anyone still waiting.
 
prodystopian said:
!!!!!!!!

Amazon just shipped my TE stick (PS3). Too bad its coming USPS from Nevada (I'm in PA). UGH. I ordered January 19 for anyone still waiting.

:lol I live in NYC and they shipped mine from PA last month.
 
Baron said:
Why are you so fervently apologizing and defending Lizard Lick? The fact is, they are a business. They have an obligation to provide good customer service and prompt attention to the people that hand over their hard-earned money to them. They have failed utterly in that regard. I like them - I've ordered from them in the past. But I'm sure as hell not going to be an apologist for a company taking three weeks to send out internet orders to people buying a bunch of electronic buttons. They screwed up. Don't apologize for them - that is the problem - they haven't so much as said a peep about the situation to their customers at all. Putting a sentence at the top of your web page doesn't count as customer service.

Fervently? I've been a little verbose, admittedly, but all I've been saying to people is basically give them a hot minute. I think I've been pretty clear in saying that I don't know their operations well enough to defend them, and I don't think I've said a single thing to berate anyone who's taken their business elsewhere. I've been wanting to buy something from them for weeks and haven't placed my order because of their delays, hardly the act of an apologist.

As for why I'm defending them, call it sympathy from someone who's worn the shoe on the other foot and can see how even a well-run business can be crushed under the weight of extraordinary circumstances. Just trying to keep some perspective in the conversation; if that seems unreasonably fervent to you, then I'll hardly object to your opinion.

Kintaro said:
I don't know but don't quit your day job. Business is business and if a business is not telling customers what's up and not refunding people's money in a prompt manner, it's bad business. Plain and simple.

SF IV has really made both a big business (Mad Catz) and a small business (LL) look really darn bad.

And yet here you admit that it's the commercial environment that's putting them on the ropes.

You want to "blame" them, go for it. Would you like them to tell you that their shipping department is shot? Their administrative team overcome? I guarantee it won't make anyone feel any better.

Rummy Bunnz said:
I don't think he's made a post on SRK since last week, and that worries me. I've seen situations like this before and often once the usually reliable dude stops communicating he flips out and runs off with everyone's money.

I've seen it happen too, and it would suck. On top of everything else, I'd like to have a good domestic dealer for these kind of products and from a completely selfish perspective, I'd like to see them stay a reputable business.
 
Still waiting for my TE Stick from my B&M Gamestop. They're supposedly fulfilling my order by the end of this week. At least that's the original line I was fead almost a month ago. I'll believe it when I see it. :-\
 
seimitsuorsanwastick seimitsuorsanwastick seimitsuorsanwastick seimitsuorsanwastick seimitsuorsanwastick seimitsuorsanwastick seimitsuorsanwastick seimitsuorsanwastick

Arggghhh....

/runs around in circles

That aside, which models should I be looking at for both? LS-32 for Seimitsu (Is the LS-32-01 better / worse?) and Sanwa JLF-TP (The different models such as the JLF-TP-8S / 8Y are just different mounting plates right?)

All very confusing. /o\
 
Anyways, sorry for running off on the tangent.

I've played with the HRAP 3 a bit more last night for shmups using xpadder, and I've noticed that it's actually harder to control due to the stick not registering movement until you've moved it a certain distance. Is this the "throw" on the sticks that everyone talks about? If that's the case, then am I understanding correctly that semitsu sticks have less of a "throw", and that's why it's more preferred for shmups?

Does anyone else use xpadder or a similar joystick->keyboard emulator? Does it affect the performance of the stick in anyway?
 
Davidion said:
Anyways, sorry for running off on the tangent.

I've played with the HRAP 3 a bit more last night for shmups using xpadder, and I've noticed that it's actually harder to control due to the stick not registering movement until you've moved it a certain distance. Is this the "throw" on the sticks that everyone talks about? If that's the case, then am I understanding correctly that semitsu sticks have less of a "throw", and that's why it's more preferred for shmups?

Does anyone else use xpadder or a similar joystick->keyboard emulator? Does it affect the performance of the stick in anyway?


That's referred to as a stick's 'deadzone'. This can be adjusted by wrapping tape around the actuator. This makes the actuator a little larger in diameter so that it hits the microswitch sooner than it normally would resulting in you having to move the stick less for movement.
 
Davidion said:
Is this the "throw" on the sticks that everyone talks about?
No, that's the "engage", that is how much you need to tilt the stick before it registers as an input. The "throw" is the full amount you can tilt the stick.
 
huh, thanks for the info guys. I'll try this actuator mod trick; did any of you mod it this way and found it a better option for shmups and whatnot? Any impact on fighter play?
 
Davidion said:
Anyways, sorry for running off on the tangent.

I've played with the HRAP 3 a bit more last night for shmups using xpadder, and I've noticed that it's actually harder to control due to the stick not registering movement until you've moved it a certain distance. Is this the "throw" on the sticks that everyone talks about? If that's the case, then am I understanding correctly that semitsu sticks have less of a "throw", and that's why it's more preferred for shmups?

Does anyone else use xpadder or a similar joystick->keyboard emulator? Does it affect the performance of the stick in anyway?

Just a few noobish questions:
What's xpadder ? Does the HRAP3 not work for the pc right out of the box? I"m getting my HRAP 3 on Monday and I ordered it due to the fact that my FSSE is having problems working consistently on a PC (it works on one and not the other). I read somewhere that you need to hold the "home" button for 5 seconds to make it work properly, is this still the case?

Thanks.
 
DoubleTap said:
Just a few noobish questions:
What's xpadder ? Does the HRAP3 not work for the pc right out of the box? I"m getting my HRAP 3 on Monday and I ordered it due to the fact that my FSSE is having problems working consistently on a PC (it works on one and not the other). I read somewhere that you need to hold the "home" button for 5 seconds to make it work properly, is this still the case?

Thanks.

The HRAP 3 is plug-n-play. HOWEVER, it registers as a joystick and not as a regular input device such as, let's say, the Belkin n52. Which means that the stick movements and the button presses registers as joystick buttons, and not keypresses that you can assign.

Some games just flat out don't support joysticks (ie. Imperishable night, or at least I haven't noticed it). In these cases, you can use a program like xpadder, which maps your stick to keyboard buttons. That's all it is.
 
Chorazin said:
I live in PA and mine was shipped from PA. Sucks for the guy getting it from Nevada.

When they finally shipped my 360 TE it went out from DE and I'm in CA! Crazy Amazon...usually all my stuff goes through the Nevada hub. :lol

prodystopian said:
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Amazon just shipped my TE stick (PS3). Too bad its coming USPS from Nevada (I'm in PA). UGH. I ordered January 19 for anyone still waiting.


More Amazon crazy: I ordered an extra TE when they went back up January and mine still says they don't have a date! Hopefully soon.
 
Gantz said:
:lol I live in NYC and they shipped mine from PA last month.
Chorazin said:
I live in PA and mine was shipped from PA. Sucks for the guy getting it from Nevada.
I hate you both.:lol

_dementia said:
Shipping on a Sunday? Good luck.

It happened for me with P4 from Amazon.

Yes Boss! said:
More Amazon crazy: I ordered an extra TE when they went back up January and mine still says they don't have a date! Hopefully soon.

They never sent me an email with the date or updated the page. I just got the "Your Amazon order has shipped" email this morning.
 
Psychotext said:
That aside, which models should I be looking at for both? LS-32 for Seimitsu (Is the LS-32-01 better / worse?) and Sanwa JLF-TP (The different models such as the JLF-TP-8S / 8Y are just different mounting plates right?)

All very confusing. /o\
Regarding this... I guess it doesn't matter which mounting plates I get given I'm making the cases myself?
 
Davidion said:
Anyways, sorry for running off on the tangent.

I've played with the HRAP 3 a bit more last night for shmups using xpadder, and I've noticed that it's actually harder to control due to the stick not registering movement until you've moved it a certain distance. Is this the "throw" on the sticks that everyone talks about? If that's the case, then am I understanding correctly that semitsu sticks have less of a "throw", and that's why it's more preferred for shmups?


Davidion said:
huh, thanks for the info guys. I'll try this actuator mod trick; did any of you mod it this way and found it a better option for shmups and whatnot? Any impact on fighter play?


I've seen the video for this stick "mod" and have read all about it on SRK. I don't like the idea behind it - it looks and sounds extremely chintzy and short-lasting. Wrapping electrical tape, a kind of tape with an adhesive that can slip and come loose when temperatures rise or stress is applied to it seems like an awful idea for something for this situation. It is called the "JLF Ultimate Mod", a superlative whose use I find questionable in this application, for it also includes folding up scraps of paper and slipping it inbetween the switches! Surely there is a more hardy and lasting way to mod the JLF than paper and tape.

It also calls for disassembling the shaft and adding an extra spring - this I can see as being a good thing. I want to put a Seimitsu LS-32 into a Hori Wii Fighting stick I am modding, but after extensive tries, I've given up on it - it just won't fit without extreme modification to the case that I don't want to do. I plan on adding an extra spring or two so the JLF I am putting in there will be tighter, closer to feel to an LS-32.

One chap on SRK has done his version of the "Ultimate Mod" - instead of wrapping tape around the actuator, he used heat shrink plastic to shrink onto the actuator. It looks and sounds far more lasting, but even then I read about issues with the plastic tearing with continued rough use. Someone really needs to make a mold of the actuator itself, modify it slightly by increasing the bulk of the base, and recast a bunch of them. Sell them for $5 and you'll make a bundle, I assure you.
 
prodystopian said:
!!!!!!!!

Amazon just shipped my TE stick (PS3). Too bad its coming USPS from Nevada (I'm in PA). UGH. I ordered January 19 for anyone still waiting.

GOD DAMN IT!! I ordered Jan. 16 and I still have this BS: "We'll notify you via e-mail when we have an estimated delivery date. You can cancel at any time. "

WHO DID YOU BLOW!!
 
Baron said:
I've seen the video for this stick "mod" and have read all about it on SRK. I don't like the idea behind it - it looks and sounds extremely chintzy and short-lasting. Wrapping electrical tape, a kind of tape with an adhesive that can slip and come loose when temperatures rise or stress is applied to it seems like an awful idea for something for this situation. It is called the "JLF Ultimate Mod", a superlative whose use I find questionable in this application, for it also includes folding up scraps of paper and slipping it inbetween the switches! Surely there is a more hardy and lasting way to mod the JLF than paper and tape.

It also calls for disassembling the shaft and adding an extra spring - this I can see as being a good thing. I want to put a Seimitsu LS-32 into a Hori Wii Fighting stick I am modding, but after extensive tries, I've given up on it - it just won't fit without extreme modification to the case that I don't want to do. I plan on adding an extra spring or two so the JLF I am putting in there will be tighter, closer to feel to an LS-32.

One chap on SRK has done his version of the "Ultimate Mod" - instead of wrapping tape around the actuator, he used heat shrink plastic to shrink onto the actuator. It looks and sounds far more lasting, but even then I read about issues with the plastic tearing with continued rough use. Someone really needs to make a mold of the actuator itself, modify it slightly by increasing the bulk of the base, and recast a bunch of them. Sell them for $5 and you'll make a bundle, I assure you.

Thanks. That does sound chintzy. Looks like I'll hold off on it after all.

Any sticks out there that have a small engage? I'm at work so I don't have a lot of time for research, but I've been googling and skimming SRK here and there and haven't seen anything. Worse, it looks like the octagonal gate that I want to install might even make the deadzone larger.

Speaking of which, the descriptions of the gate that comes with the HRAP JLF makes it sounds like it can be adjusted to 8-way; is this true? Edit: it is true. I see a lot of people buying octo-gates for their HRAPS. Why would this be if they can just adjust the original gate?

Didn't think I was going to need a stick upgrade EVER, nevermind this soon. :lol
 
Team Klimt said:
GOD DAMN IT!! I ordered Jan. 16 and I still have this BS: "We'll notify you via e-mail when we have an estimated delivery date. You can cancel at any time. "

WHO DID YOU BLOW!!

A lot of people seem to be getting them, so hopefully you get the email soon!

I kidnapped MarkMan
 
The day has come. My 360 TE finally came in at Gamestop. I will post pictures later because this month I've already bought a shit load of stuff (tax returns!).
 
So since alot of you guys where getting your TE Sticks in at Game Stop I decided to call my local one up hoping I'd somehow get lucky.

WELL SWEET ZOMBIE JESUS I DID! They had just gotten one that was reserved and canceled. I told the manager to hold it and I'd be there in 20 minutes.

I can't wait to unbox it and test it out later tonight.

PRAISE JEBUS!

I still may getting one from Best Buy. Which I just may keep now for a backup. If I even get it, which I doubt.
 
Ronabo said:
So since alot of you guys where getting your TE Sticks in at Game Stop I decided to call my local one up hoping I'd somehow get lucky.

WELL SWEET ZOMBIE JESUS I DID! They had just gotten one that was reserved and canceled. I told the manager to hold it and I'd be there in 20 minutes.

I can't wait to unbox it and test it out later tonight.

PRAISE JEBUS!
Actually there's an update to my GameStop B&M horror story... My buddy texted me an hour or two ago and told me the TE stick I had reserved was finally in. I can't wait to pick that sumbitch up! Only a couple more hours until I'm done working for the day. :D
 
Can people please stop using this thread to inform everyone of incremental status updates to your stick orders? It clutters up the thread and we really don't care.

Here's someplace you can go if you insist on these blog updates: www.livejournal.com
 
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