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[Lernaean]

Im dying here, so funny. You realise that to get 1200 points you need approximately 300 people to vote for a game as 'best'.

300. Three hundred. Now think about that.

No Nintendo should not go Third partyimo, but 300 Bayo 2 fans does not change the trajectory of the game which sold what, 135,000 ? (to put in context, 13 million played Destiny.) Most people have not played Bayo 2 (even If every owner let 10 friends play it)

So, although its nice for Bayo 2 to win a thread popularity contest, it has no meaning other than fun for those that participate. If your favourite game is 1 or 100, makes no difference, does not mean its better or worse.

The people making statements about subjective game quality based on this is just fantastic...even better on what companies should do with their global strategy for games and consoles.

Still they were the better games, otherwise the 13 million who play Destiny would trample over them on votes. No matter what, more people voted for Bayonetta 2 for GotY here on GAF than for any other multimillion selling game. And that is because pure and simple, it was the better game.
Your never-ending campaign against anything WiiU is enjoyable, but that doesn't change the fact that Bayonetta 2 is GAF's GotY for 2014, as TLoU was in 2013, unless ofc you want to downplay those votes as well.

Again, I'll post it for once more in this thread so maybe it sticks. Play good games and enjoy them, and stop being warriors. The war has ended.

 

[randomkid]

Generally we include a lot of ballots that would be disqualified. Every year we have a large number of invalid ballots and we do extra work to include the majority of them, we just make the stipulation that if you don't follow the rules we don't guarantee your ballot will be counted, and furthermore that you may be subject to a ban because list threads aren't allowed, and not reading the OP can subject you to a ban as well.

The commentary on it this year relates to the number of people who had invalid ballots (most typically, not formatting comments correctly) and they didn't get recommendation or affinity data because of it. Cheesemeister went above and beyond to help these poor unfortunate (illiterate? ) souls.

Looking too deeply into participation rates beyond the graph I posted is really going to subject yourself to a large amount of confirmation bias.

Oh cool, I didn't know you had also included invalid ballots in the past. I had followed the links to past threads in the OP and the "Ballots Disqualified" stat for 2012 and the lack of it for 2014 stood out to me.

I wish more people participated considering how much bigger GAF gets each year so it's definitely weird to see rates going down at all. Hardly any mods join in the fun either, I remember when even Evilore used to vote!

Funny you mention a collected list though, because I wrote one to be added to my voting post(s) featuring 16 or so people (from a larger list of 25), but all limited to my own personal appeal. Most of them are familiar faces to me. Seeing iconoclast, Semblance, and Nocturnowl do a list after skipping a year or two gives me the opposite impression, but only for a smaller, more specific group of voters (anecdotally). Dark Schala is the only person I saw in the thread saying they would not do a list (besides myself, which turned out false lol).

Yup, I wanted to see ballots from Schala, Stump, Ghaleon and Aeana. Was glad to see the other people you listed and Tain vote too, I also thought adversesolutions had a cool weird list.

Post your list list somewhere!

 

[geordiemp]

Still they were the better games, otherwise the 13 million who play Destiny would trample over them on votes. No matter what, more people voted for Bayonetta 2 for GotY here on GAF than for any other multimillion selling game. And that is because pure and simple, it was the better game.
Your never-ending campaign against anything WiiU is enjoyable, but that doesn't change the fact that Bayonetta 2 is GAF's GotY for 2014, as TLoU was in 2013, unless ofc you want to downplay those votes as well.

Again, I'll post it for once more in this thread so maybe it sticks. Play good games and enjoy them, and stop being warriors. The war has ended.

Not being a warrior, less of the ad hominem please. I have made no negative subjective comments against any games or consoles in the list, just I like statistics and again you make the mistake of reading things into numbers.

Maybe the Destiny hardcore only participate in threads where they match make up for raids and nightfalls. If you ask such a Destiny thread what is the best game in 2014, most of these guys mainly play destiny and it would easily get more than 300 votes. I lapsed on Destiny a few months ago, but when I was in to it, I only read Destiny threads and played no other games for a month or so....many are still in that bubble that I know on my friends list.

Same goes for COD AW, go into a COD forum and ask the same question, you will get 1000's of votes for COD AW (my worst COD ever in my opinion). Does that make COD the best game in 2014 ? For those people it is.

I'm not downplaying votes, I am explaining they are what they are, a preference of few hundred fans of a game here or there does not make a game better or worse than its peers. Simple.

It grates me the subjective better than stuff, beauty is in the eye of the beholder and everyone has different tastes. I would say I prefer Ninja gaiden to Bayo (on 360), that makes it better for me and I usually explain why, but that does not make Gaiden a better game (although it was more popular).

Bayonetta is a better game for the Bayo 2 fans who like that game. IF Bayo 2 was OBJECTIVELY a better game, more people would have been attracted to it than the numbers tell us.

 

[Asso52]

Awesome awards, congrats GAFfers!

 

[Magic Mushroom]

Not being a warrior, less of the ad hominem please. I have made no negative subjective comments against any games or consoles in the list, just I like statistics and again you make the mistake of reading things into numbers.

Maybe the Destiny hardcore only participate in threads where they match make up for raids and nightfalls. If you ask such a Destiny thread what is the best game in 2014, most of these guys mainly play destiny and it would easily get more than 300 votes. I lapsed on Destiny a few months ago, but when I was in to it, I only read Destiny threads and played no other games for a month or so....many are still in that bubble that I know on my friends list.

Same goes for COD AW, go into a COD forum and ask the same question, you will get 1000's of votes for COD AW (my worst COD ever in my opinion). Does that make COD the best game in 2014 ? For those people it is.

I'm not downplaying votes, I am explaining they are what they are, a preference of few hundred fans of a game here or there does not make a game better or worse than its peers. Simple.

It grates me the subjective better than stuff, beauty is in the eye of the beholder and everyone has different tastes. I would say I prefer Ninja gaiden to Bayo (on 360), that makes it better for me and I usually explain why, but that does not make Gaiden a better game (although it was more popular).

Bayonetta is a better game for the Bayo 2 fans who like that game. IF was OBJECTIVELY a better game, more people would have been attracted to it.

Mechanically, Bayo 2 wipes the floor with Destiny. But these type of character action games will always be fairly niche, just like Whiplash will never make as much money at the box office as Transformers. It's a far better movie though. Quality and popularity do not go hand in hand, unfortunately.

 

[Riposte]

Oh cool, I didn't know you had also included invalid ballots in the past. I had followed the links to past threads in the OP and the "Ballots Disqualified" stat for 2012 and the lack of it for 2014 stood out to me.

I wish more people participated considering how much bigger GAF gets each year so it's definitely weird to see rates going down at all. Hardly any mods join in the fun either, I remember when even Evilore used to vote!



Yup, I wanted to see ballots from Schala, Stump, Ghaleon and Aeana. Was glad to see the other people you listed and Tain vote too, I also thought adversesolutions had a cool weird list.

Post your list list somewhere!

Yeah, I can at least recall not seeing a post from Ghaleon, who usually stands out.

Anyway, I was going to wait until I could have my post changed so it's functional enough to be linked as my homepage, but here you go, I cut it straight from the draft:

Tain (#1. Was bummed thinking he skipped this year, but turns out I'm just blind)
Semblance (#4. Ditto.)
Iconoclast (#7. Please read his entry for Crimzon Clover instead of mine lol)
adversesolutions (Shorter than usual this year, but the arcade flavor is nice)
ViewtifulJC (

Spoiler

Really likes DLC about little girls kissing evidently ROFL

)
Levyne
Papercuts 2 3 (Most impressive list)
Yuterald 2 (Second)
Neiteio (It’s Neiteio)
Fine Ham Abounds
Nocturnowl
zero shift (Terra Battle is my “mobile game of the year” heh)
Lostconfused
chadboban
SatelliteOfLove
Juke Joint Jezebel

I'm not sure if my comment (lol) on ViewtifulJC's list could be seen as a spoiler for a game, so I tagged it here just to be safe.

(The selection may be a little redundant in terms of game choices, but I like the explanations themselves.)

EDIT: The numbers are from the affinity list, which I explain before that.

 

[Lernaean]

Not being a warrior, less of the ad hominem please. I have made no negative subjective comments against any games or consoles in the list, just I like statistics and again you make the mistake of reading things into numbers.

Maybe the Destiny hardcore only participate in threads where they match make up for raids and nightfalls. If you ask such a Destiny thread what is the best game in 2014, most of these guys mainly play destiny and it would easily get more than 300 votes.

Same goes for COD AW, go into a COD forum and ask the same question, you will get 1000's of votes for COD AW (my worst COD ever in my opinion). Does that make COD the best game in 2014 ? For those people it is.

I'm not downplaying votes, I am explaining they are what they are, a preference of few hundred fans of a game here or there does not make a game better or worse than its peers. Simple.

It grates me the subjective better than stuff, beauty is in the eye of the beholder and everyone has different tastes. I would say I prefer Ninja gaiden to Bayo (on 360), that makes it better for me and I usually explain why, but that does not make Gaiden a better game (although it was more popular).

Bayonetta is a better game for the Bayo 2 fans who like that game. IF was OBJECTIVELY a better game, more people would have been attracted to it.

Actually your post history consists almost entirely of posts where you downplay WiiU games and their significance in the industry. You aren't fooling anyone anymore.

And you're still wrong, and you'll always be wrong if you keep thinking like that.
This year, like many others, GAF was asked to express their opinion for the GotY, this hasn't changed at all. The fact that the most votes fell on Bayonetta 2, is because as it happens with every other year, GAF thought that this was the best game of the year, period.
This vote is a democracy. You vote for your preference, and the one with the most votes wins, and apathy is punishable. If there are countless GAFers who thought that there are other games that as games, regardless of the system they play on and all this nonsense, were better than Bayonetta and didn't express it with their vote, then it's their loss.

And for the record, the last part of your post is the one that made me sad the most.
Lady Gaga and Miley Cyrus must write OBJECTIVELY the best music in the world, because more people are attracted to them than anyone else. Porn must OBJECTIVELY be the best use of cinematography in the world because Hollywood can't hold a candle to the yearly revenues from the porn industry.

Best sold and most widely popular is not always the best in quality. In fact most of the time sadly it's the opposite. This vote was not for the most popular game this year, it was for the best damn game this year.

 

[Kathian]

Im dying here, so funny. You realise that to get 1200 points you need approximately 300 people to vote for a game as 'best'.

300. Three hundred. Now think about that.

No Nintendo should not go Third partyimo, but 300 Bayo 2 fans does not change the trajectory of the game which sold what, 135,000 ? (to put in context, 13 million played Destiny.) Most people have not played Bayo 2 (even If every owner let 10 friends play it)

So, although its nice for Bayo 2 to win a thread popularity contest, it has no meaning other than fun for those that participate. If your favourite game is 1 or 100, makes no difference, does not mean its better or worse.

The people making statements about subjective game quality based on this is just fantastic...even better on what companies should do with their global strategy for games and consoles.

I know you might be upset and not really thinking but were not talking about quality or sales. Just the view derived from players on neogaf for the best games of 2010.

So yes its a popularity contest but am not sure why that's a bad thing.

 

[Rafterman]

Mechanically, Bayo 2 wipes the floor with Destiny. But these type of character action games will always be fairly niche, just like Whiplash will never make as much money at the box office as Transformers. It's a far better movie though. Quality and popularity do not go hand in hand, unfortunately.

What a silly statement. The games aren't even remotely similar so comparing them mechanically is absurd. It's even more absurd when you consider the fact that, mechanically speaking, Destiny is one of the best shooters out there, and even people who dislike the game will say as much.

 

[jesu]

Very much so. You played the Co-Op?

The co-op is basically horde mode and wouldn't be in strategy either.It's a shooter.In every mode it's a shooter.

Whoever picked the genres thought was probably thinking of the original P vs Z.

 

[jesu]

A lot of games are multiple genres, and since the game is a tower defense game (subset of strategy) we went with that. There's really no way to be perfect on genres, especially with games adding more and more aspects of other genres.

It's a multiplayer shooter.

 

[SolidusDave]

meh list. exclusives always seem to always come out on top here on neogaf, and i already know why.

Mh, actually I would say it mostly boosts (good/popular) Nintendo games.
Saying the WiiU had a strong year is something to look at in context Besides the exclusives, barely any of the voted multiplatform releases can be played on the WiiU. So the votes naturally concentrate around the exclusives while they spread out more on the other platforms. (I mostly talk about single-home console owners of course) This is further enhanced by Nintendo games generally appealing to Nintendo platform owners, they usually have a high attach rate unlike e.g. Sony games (bar GT).

In the first 51 games of the ranking we only got 9 WiiU games:
Bayonetta 2 (exclusive)
Mario Kart 8 (exclusive)
Super Smash Bros. (exclusive)
Donkey Kong Country (exclusive)
Shovel Knight (Nintendo/PC)
Captain Toad (exclusive)
Child of Light (multi)
Hyrule Warriors (exclusive)
Watch_Dogs (multi)

While e.g. PS4 with a similar install base has 23 available titles voted for in that segment.
In the whole ranking list are 22 WiiU entries (e.g. PS4 = 78)


On the other hand you can of course argue the other way around, as this makes the WiiU as a platform more relevant for multiplatform owners as long as there is a steady flow of good exclusives.

 

[NotLiquid]

Bayonetta is a better game for the Bayo 2 fans who like that game. IF Bayo 2 was OBJECTIVELY a better game, more people would have been attracted to it than the numbers tell us.

Your first mistake was assuming there is such a thing as an objectively better game.

There isn't. I mean, no fucking duh that there's a shit ton of subjectivity involved in this list. Just like all the lists people made when they voted for this thing, and in fact every GOTY list in existence.

 

[imae]

Nice list!. I didn't vote, but that top 3 matches mine.

DSII, DK:TF, Shovel Knight, and maybe Wolfenstein, would make my top 10 also.

Bayonetta 2 - what a game, 90+ hours of pure joy and I'm still playing it.

 

[Magic Mushroom]

What a silly statement. The games aren't even remotely similar so comparing them mechanically is absurd. It's even more absurd when you consider the fact that, mechanically speaking, Destiny is one of the best shooters out there, and even people who dislike the game will say as much.

Fair enough. Mechanically was perhaps not the right word to use. Though I guess my main point was that popularity says very little about quality.

 

[Conrad Link]

I think Plants vs Zombies: Garden Warfare has been given a decent dose of mistaken identity here. XD

Its the best online multiplayer shooter this year, not a strategy game heh.

 

[Axass]

Im dying here, so funny. You realise that to get 1200 points you need approximately 300 people to vote for a game as 'best'.

300. Three hundred. Now think about that.

No Nintendo should not go Third partyimo, but 300 Bayo 2 fans does not change the trajectory of the game which sold what, 135,000 ? (to put in context, 13 million played Destiny.) Most people have not played Bayo 2 (even If every owner let 10 friends play it)

So, although its nice for Bayo 2 to win a thread popularity contest, it has no meaning other than fun for those that participate. If your favourite game is 1 or 100, makes no difference, does not mean its better or worse.

The people making statements about subjective game quality based on this is just fantastic...even better on what companies should do with their global strategy for games and consoles.

You mean: The system with the three games that NeoGAF's community liked best is selling like shit.
There isn't a real contradiction here.



This.

Wut guys?

All I said is that given the poll, Nintendo put out amazing games this year so it's sad to see the system housing those games sell like shit. I'm not saying it should sell more or equal to PS4 and X1, but clearly more than the current state of affairs: seeing a system with such great games selling so little is a travesty. I think any gamer would agree with such a thing, no matter their affiliation.

Same with the third party and iOS developer statement: Nintendo going that way would probably mean no more amazing games of this scope.

 

[Nocturnowl]

I made the Riposte list of lists, much appreciation.
Also glad you chucked in your own list right at the end of the thread, just didn't feel right without it.

 

[flatearthpandas]

Not being a warrior, less of the ad hominem please. I have made no negative subjective comments against any games or consoles in the list, just I like statistics and again you make the mistake of reading things into numbers.

Maybe the Destiny hardcore only participate in threads where they match make up for raids and nightfalls. If you ask such a Destiny thread what is the best game in 2014, most of these guys mainly play destiny and it would easily get more than 300 votes. I lapsed on Destiny a few months ago, but when I was in to it, I only read Destiny threads and played no other games for a month or so....many are still in that bubble that I know on my friends list.

Same goes for COD AW, go into a COD forum and ask the same question, you will get 1000's of votes for COD AW (my worst COD ever in my opinion). Does that make COD the best game in 2014 ? For those people it is.

I'm not downplaying votes, I am explaining they are what they are, a preference of few hundred fans of a game here or there does not make a game better or worse than its peers. Simple.

It grates me the subjective better than stuff, beauty is in the eye of the beholder and everyone has different tastes. I would say I prefer Ninja gaiden to Bayo (on 360), that makes it better for me and I usually explain why, but that does not make Gaiden a better game (although it was more popular).

Bayonetta is a better game for the Bayo 2 fans who like that game. IF Bayo 2 was OBJECTIVELY a better game, more people would have been attracted to it than the numbers tell us.

If Bayonetta 2 was actually a better game than Destiny or CoD, then it should have sold better. Meaning, Destiny and CoD had better sales so we shouldn't give Bayo 2 any credit for winning Gaf's GOTY because the Destiny and CoD fans missed the vote.

Is this an accurate summary of your point?

My opinion is that there is not going to be a better barometer for "best" game of the year than Gaf's aggregate vote. As in other votes, no candidate gets real credit for apathy. We don't know how things would have happened if other people happened to vote. We do know that everyone in the site had an opportunity and this is how it turned out. This was not Bayonetta 2's OT's GOTY or the Wii U community thread's GOTY, but Gaf's GOTY.

What you're doing is downplaying. If you don't want to be mistaken as a warrior, maybe take off your flak jacket and stop the "this vote doesn't mean anything; if the game really was good, it should have sold better" rhetoric.

 

[Sadist]

Not every game gets the recognition it deserves.

On the other hand, the comparisons between Bayo 2 and Destiny are pretty weird. The first is a niche game loved by enthousiasts on a enthousiasts messageboard and the other is a big budget shooter marketed as Bungie's second coming. Regardless of quality, Destiny will always attract more consumers.

 

[BBboy20]

I believe in you, Bay.

 

[SatelliteOfLove]

I'm disappointed people didn't give Unity more of a chance. Having just completed the DLC, I think there are major issues with regards to story (objectively missing extreme holes in the plot) and game design (too many useless side missions and collectibles) but the world created was on par with GTAV for the best open world. Playing through Unity has made me realize how much I appreciate a well-design but graphically brilliant and dense world.

Thought this year was extremely weak for games (but I don't own a WiiU).

It'll be ~$25 in some sales later this year with those fixes and DLC. It had its chance against stiff competition and blew it, but it's not a complete lost cause.

'We' held another 2008 GOTY in 2012. It was just a fun, retrospective thing.

If only we knew the consequences...

Edit: Those who want a look-see:
2008 Edition: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=347324
End-of-the-World Edition:http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=463726

Look how much we've grown! 23 pages in 2 days versus 10 pages just shy of 9 months.

The salt in this thread can't hold a candle to that thread. Holy balls that was a goodie, lol.

The 2014 vote count actually includes 119 ballots that would have been disqualified in 2012, I think they decided that was too many votes to throw away so everything was counted this year. Also considering GAF has added probably like 50000 new members since then, I'd say there's definitely an indication that there was less interest or excitement about voting in 2014.

Even anecdotally, many of the mods and posters who usually make the most interesting ballots decided not to vote this year too. I'm still waiting for a good list of lists post in case I missed any particularly neat votes cuz there were fewer than usual in my browsing this year.

My Affinity list is empty of the usual suspects, too, and it ain't just because of a strong CRPG year, either.

 

[Khaos_Knight]

Oh wow I forgot to vote.

I'm surprised to see so much love for Bayonetta 2 because I don't remember the first one getting anywhere near this amount of love. Like what changed between then and now?

Anyways back to DAI.

 

[AntiFacebook]

Oh wow I forgot to vote.

I'm surprised to see so much love for Bayonetta 2 because I don't remember the first one getting anywhere near this amount of love. Like what changed between then and now?

Bayonetta 1 wasn't exclusive for a console that had fans with inferiority complex.

Wut guys?

All I said is that given the poll, Nintendo put out amazing games this year so it's sad to see the system housing those games sell like shit. I'm not saying it should sell more or equal to PS4 and X1, but clearly more than the current state of affairs: seeing a system with such great games selling so little is a travesty. I think any gamer would agree with such a thing, no matter their affiliation.



Same with the third party and iOS developer statement: Nintendo going that way would probably mean no more amazing games of this scope.

I completely agree that it's a shame the WiiU didn't manage to attract more consumers, but it's entirely Nintendo's fault.

Also,Nintendo can keep the same quality of their games even if they become a third party developer.

holy shit, iam proud to see such a list.

wonderful and totally delighted to see this.

unfortunately this list doesnt translate saleswise. sad to see tons of bayonetta2 copies lying on retailshelves and collecting dust.

guys move your arses and get that game, if you didnt already buy it.

Personally I'm waiting for the inevitable price drop

 

[JDSN]

The salt train never stops.

 

[Sakujou]

holy shit, iam proud to see such a list.

wonderful and totally delighted to see this.

unfortunately this list doesnt translate saleswise. sad to see tons of bayonetta2 copies lying on retailshelves and collecting dust.

guys move your arses and get that game, if you didnt already buy it.

 

[Altima]

Nintendomination is not surprise. Most of Nintendo fan put Baya MK8 and Smash on their top 3.

it is very likely that if Bayonetta win the 1st place the other two will win 2nd and 3rd place. However, those score are from the same population while DAI score come from other population.

 

[sechsterangriff]

'We' held another 2008 GOTY in 2012. It was just a fun, retrospective thing.

If only we knew the consequences...

Edit: Those who want a look-see:
2008 Edition: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=347324
End-of-the-World Edition:http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=463726

Look how much we've grown! 23 pages in 2 days versus 10 pages just shy of 9 months.

People downplaying results should take a lesson from this...

Also, for those arguing Bayonetta 2 won only because Nintendo fans voted I'll give you an anecdotal example. I picked B2 for #1 and it was the only Nintendo game on my list. Actually, it was one of two games on Nintendo platforms in my top 10.
I'm sure I was far from being the only one with Bayonetta very high on the list.

 

[spekkeh]

Oh wow I forgot to vote.

I'm surprised to see so much love for Bayonetta 2 because I don't remember the first one getting anywhere near this amount of love. Like what changed between then and now?

Anyways back to DAI.

Weaker year, besides Bayonetta 1 competed in two different years. In 2009, which had Uncharted 2, Batman, Demon's Souls, CoD MW2, AssCreed 2, and was released stateside in january 2010, right before GOTY Mass Effect 2 and where it ended fourth behind ME2, RDR and SMG2. But above all a changing context. After 2009 everything became Uncharted, then everything got AAA bloat, monetization/gamification and now half of the games don't even work. Bayonetta 2 is a trendbreaker.

Spoiler

Bayonetta 2 is also better than 1, and while less original, there was hardly anything else of note in the genre in the mean time

 

[spekkeh]

Also,Nintendo can keep the same quality of their games even if they become a third party developer.

Why would Nintendo make high quality loss leading games as a third party?

 

[AntiFacebook]

Why would Nintendo make high quality loss leading games as a third party?

For the same reasons other companies make high quality third party games...

 

[Magic Mushroom]

Bayonetta 1 wasn't exclusive for a console that had fans with inferiority complex.

Ridiculous. Bayonetta has always been hailed as a classic and is seen as one part of the holy trinity of action games (the other ones being Ninja Gaiden Black and DMC3:SE).

Bayonetta 2 is arguably an even better game and that quality is what is recognized here and deservedly so. It was Edge's game of the year as well. Are they "Nintendo fans with an inferiority complex" as well?

Grow up man.

 

[James Scott]

Bayonetta 2 definitely felt like the best game I've played this year. It's just such a fun game to play. They fixed the camera, improved the button lay out, and made the combat feel a whole lot better. Yeah, it's easier than the first one, but it has less BS which made the first one hard, Bayonetta herself is much stronger, and it even has 3 difficulty modes to choose from. It's just so refined making the perfect action game. It's really surprising just how much Bayonetta has improved from the first to the second game. It might not look like it, but playing it back to back really makes it show.
My personal pick for GOTY 2014, I was a bit disappointed that it didn't get more recognition elsewhere, but I'm glad people are giving it the credit it deserves.

 

[Cream]

Maybe B2 had better reception because Nintendo fans are more open to games with quirky japanese characters and unique gameplay.

 

[Gartooth]

Bayonetta 1 wasn't exclusive for a console that had fans with inferiority complex.

Bayonetta 1 made it into 4th place in 2010 when it was voted here. The three games it lost to are Mass Effect 2 (1), Red Dead Redemption (2), and Super Mario Galaxy 2 (3). What gave Bayonetta 2 the GoTY win is more likely due to a vacuum of competition than anything else. Add in the opinion that the game is better than the first and there you go.

 

[Spieler Eins]

Bayonetta 1 wasn't exclusive for a console that had fans with inferiority complex.

While true that the exclusivity (in a generally very weak year) probably helped, it also really is a much better game than Bayonetta 1.

I'm not saying it should sell more or equal to PS4 and X1, but clearly more than the current state of affairs: seeing a system with such great games selling so little is a travesty.

A console with 3 notable releases per year selling like this, seems perfectly justified to me.

 

[CosmicQueso]

Wut guys?

All I said is that given the poll, Nintendo put out amazing games this year so it's sad to see the system housing those games sell like shit. I'm not saying it should sell more or equal to PS4 and X1, but clearly more than the current state of affairs: seeing a system with such great games selling so little is a travesty.

There are some irrational people saying some irrational things. You're right. It is sad, disheartening and confusing to see the system sell so poorly, especially since this is the console with no fees to play online, that delivers complete and fully functional games at launch, and that produces high quality and reasonably priced DLC.

Everything that many people say they want... And still the sales are so poor.

It's sad because the message being sent is that all the broken games, the online fees, the DLC stuff on PS4 and xone... Those are all perfectly fine, acceptable and are being embraced.

 

[mr stroke]

Bayonetta 1 wasn't exclusive for a console that had fans with inferiority complex.

As bad as that sounds, I almost have to agree. It sometimes feels like people voted for those Wii U games(and Bayo 2 as #1) cause they wanted to "root for the underdog"

 

[Cream]

As bad as that sounds, I almost have to agree. It sometimes feels like people voted for those Wii U games(and Bayo 2 as #1) cause they wanted to "root for the underdog"

No, they voted for them because they are amazing games with a ton of polish.

 

[Zia]

I like the narrative that people that had Wii U games on their list, three of which were among the top five "highest-rated" original games of 2014, were "fans" while everyone who voted for other things just get to be, like, normal people. As if the majority of people that voted for Wii U games didn't also vote for games on other platforms.

 

[Aeana]

As bad as that sounds, I almost have to agree. It sometimes feels like people voted for those Wii U games(and Bayo 2 as #1) cause they wanted to "root for the underdog"

If you want to know why people voted for these games, there is a public thread that contains people's ballots with reasons for why they voted as they did. It's not a conspiracy, it's not a mystery, it's right there. A cursory glance on my part gives me the impression that people voted Bayonetta 2 highly because it's a really good action game, and it's a game that wasn't broken in a year where the majority of the big releases were.

 

[Hiko]

Pretty predictable list.

When does the game of the generation thread happen?

 

[Cream]

I like the narrative that people that had Wii U games on their list, three of which were among the top five "highest-rated" original games of 2014, were "fans" while everyone who voted for other things just get to be, like, normal people. As if the majority of people that voted for Wii U games didn't also vote for games on other platforms.

Super Mario Galaxy, Ocarina of Time, Super Mario World, F-Zero, Star Fox, Mario Kart 64. THOSE are good games that people ACTUALLY like.

Bayoneta 2, Super Mario 3D World, Mario Kart 8, Super Smash Bros 4. Agenda.

 

[RecursiveFault]

1. ViviOggi (114) http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=147763964&postcount=1749
2. Maragidyne (98) http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=143800588&postcount=526
3. The Xtortionist (91) http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=143627689&postcount=352
4. nckillthegrimace (89) http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=147828983&postcount=1832
5. jacobeid (87) http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=143727196&postcount=499
6. matm666 (86) http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=143680354&postcount=416
7. Corgi (84) http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=144885586&postcount=970
7. Zomba13 (84) http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=145781032&postcount=1198
9. Miker (83) http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=145527751&postcount=1142
9. vanty (83) http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=143615035&postcount=313

 

[AntiFacebook]

As if the majority of people that voted for Wii U games didn't also vote for games on other platforms.

Actually,it's pretty much the case

 

[Cream]

Actually,it's pretty much the case

It still means nothing. There are tons of people that had NO Wii U games on their list, simply because they didn't have a Wii U.

 

[Barry Burton]

Bayonetta 1 wasn't exclusive for a console that had fans with inferiority complex.

Believe it or not, Bayonetta 2 is actually one of the best games that came out in 2014.

I say that as someone who owns all of the consoles and supports the success of all three of them.

It was actually my #2 game behind Alien, but I think Bayonetta 2 is a fine choice for Game of the Year.

Sometimes it just is what it is: a great game being rewarded for being great.

 

[James Scott]

While true that the exclusivity (in a generally very weak year) probably helped, it also really is a much better game than Bayonetta 1.

Yeah. People loved Bayonetta 1, but that was PG's first game and Bayonetta 2 is better in pretty much every way. It's also one of the highest rated games on metacritic last year, which doesn't mean much by itself, but I think should show that it's not just fans with an inferiority complex voting it up.

 

[flatearthpandas]

As if the majority of people that voted for Wii U games didn't also vote for games on other platforms.

Actually,it's pretty much the case

Exclusivity Data
The following data attempts to give a rough picture of how many ballots leaned heavily exclusive to one platform holder or another.
Data is presented as: % of ballots (raw number)

>= 50% Nintendo Exclusive: 21.21771% (230)
>= 80% Nintendo Exclusive: 5.073801% (55)
100% Nintendo Exclusive: 2.02952% (22)

Please tell us more about how the 22 person majority stacked the Wii U vote.

 

[Cream]

Yeah. People loved Bayonetta 1, but that was PG's first game and Bayonetta 2 is better in pretty much every way. It's also one of the highest rated games on metacritic last year, which doesn't mean much by itself, but I think should show that it's not just fans with an inferiority complex voting it up.

Right, I mean, how come these people aren't saying that Gamespot, Giant Bomb, IGN and all those other sites that rated Bayonetta 2, Super Smash Bros and Mario Kart higher than so many games this year have bias towards the Wii U?