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NEOGAF's Official Music Production Thread: calling all producers

Dimefan3

Member
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Bonus track: This one is completely done barring vocals but isn't quite as impressive, production wise, not being quite as layered. Again, me on all the instruments.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B5csH_vDH34LX096Qnc5Q2JUSUU/edit?usp=sharing

Nice setup man!
 

Fusebox

Banned
Glad you like it man, and thanks for the feedback. I tend to have trouble with sidechaining, because either I overdo it and the sound is way too compressed, or I try to tone it down but I lose that pulsating feel and it ends up sounding a bit flat. I guess it all comes down to finding the sweet spot.

I used to use compressors for sidechaining now I use this:

http://www.kickstart-plugin.com

It might be worth trying as it's really easy to dial in and sounds great in the mix.
 
Glad you like it man, and thanks for the feedback. I tend to have trouble with sidechaining, because either I overdo it and the sound is way too compressed, or I try to tone it down but I lose that pulsating feel and it ends up sounding a bit flat. I guess it all comes down to finding the sweet spot.

Twistedlemon's Sidekick VST is good for straightforward sidechaining. Experiment with chaining specific channels rather than the whole mix if that's too pulsy for you.
 

Vally

Member
Thanks guys, I've tried those plugins and they're both pretty straightforward. I'll keep them around for when I can't get the sidechaining right in Reason.
 

Xrenity

Member
Anyway, here's something I've been working on for those who like The Rawk Style of Music, like me. I play all the instruments (drums, guitar, bass, omnichord, keyboards). No vocals yet. Rough mix - obnoxious drum fixes need to be done (luckily very easy to do when your drums are MIDI) but here ya go.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B5csH_vDH34LS0tjR3FxNnJ0ZUk/edit?usp=sharing

Recorded with Cubase. Drums are V-Drums (Roland TD-30KV). Here's the home studio:

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Wow, great gear man.

Music sounds fine as well! Only thought the guitar at the beginning didn't sound too well :p bit hard and almost felt out of tune. Guitars later on are fine!
I used to use compressors for sidechaining now I use this:

http://www.kickstart-plugin.com

It might be worth trying as it's really easy to dial in and sounds great in the mix.
Why is this better than the regular sidechain compression of ableton for example?

It's easy to me already so 'the fastest way' seems a bit silly to me :p
 

Fusebox

Banned
Why is this better than the regular sidechain compression of ableton for example?

It's easy to me already so 'the fastest way' seems a bit silly to me :p

Well I use Studio One so it takes me an extra couple of clicks to route sidechain sources than it does in Live, and I use a ridiculous amount of sidechain in my production so this saves me loads of time, leaves my project less cluttered and it's a lot easier on CPU as well.

This is not a product for you obviously, just a suggestion for the guy who was having problems getting his pumping just right.
 
I wouldn't mind getting some
constructive
criticism on some of my tracks. Mostly just the mixdown as opposed to the style or whatever. I always think that my tracks sound amateurish and I'm not sure what it is that does it.

Daft Punk like electronic house:
https://soundcloud.com/imba/pady-vocal

Kavinsky kinda style stuff:
https://soundcloud.com/imba/midnight-drive

Got some minimal house stuff:
https://soundcloud.com/imba/i-gotta-be-sure-2 Breakdowns need a lot of work.

Any opinions would be great. :)
 

Drakken

Member
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Just released my first "real" (i.e. not just piano stuff) album! It's a collection of 12 songs I'm pretty proud of from the past few years. Represents a variety of work - video game stuff, chillout, electronic rock, solo cello, and more. A few game remixes too. A lot of time and effort went into making these, and I'm excited to finally share them with the world. :D

Spotify: http://open.spotify.com/album/0CbCXIaPoTdhgSy9YfHrer
Bandcamp (free download): https://drakken.bandcamp.com/album/big-ideas
 

Xrenity

Member
I wouldn't mind getting some
constructive
criticism on some of my tracks. Mostly just the mixdown as opposed to the style or whatever. I always think that my tracks sound amateurish and I'm not sure what it is that does it.

Daft Punk like electronic house:
https://soundcloud.com/imba/pady-vocal

Kavinsky kinda style stuff:
https://soundcloud.com/imba/midnight-drive

Got some minimal house stuff:
https://soundcloud.com/imba/i-gotta-be-sure-2 Breakdowns need a lot of work.

Any opinions would be great. :)
I don't know man, they all sound pretty good to me :)

Maybe a bit more reverb here and there to glue it together.
 

neos

Member
Don't know if you guys remember my Timberwolf stuff at all, but I'm gearing up for a second album for later this year.

Recording this demo today. "Baby Bird". Let me know what you think.

I remember it very well, Timberwolf was an amazing album, "Old Soul" being my favourite track.

Baby bird was good until the 1'40'' mark, but after that i didn't find it particuarly interesting, i'm sorry. Just my thought after a couple of listenings.
 

Fidelis Hodie

Infidelis Cras
I remember it very well, Timberwolf was an amazing album, "Old Soul" being my favourite track.

Baby bird was good until the 1'40'' mark, but after that i didn't find it particuarly interesting, i'm sorry. Just my thought after a couple of listenings.

Not into the change, eh? It happens. I'm going to flesh out the full thing a little more. Been trying different things and I like where it's going though!
 
Not into the change, eh? It happens. I'm going to flesh out the full thing a little more. Been trying different things and I like where it's going though!

I enjoy the change. Very reminiscent of Andrew Bird. Then again, I'm fond of switch-ups in tracks. Looking forward to the full record!

You should get in contact with local natives Little Bandit. Good friends, good people. A Little Bandit x Timberwolf collabo would be insane.

http://littlebanditmusic.bandcamp.com/album/little-bandit
 
do we have a thread to promote user made music? nothing against you guys but I'm not here to listen to music, I'm want to talk about production
 

Accoun

Member
OK, probably not a rare question, but I was thinking about buying one of those cheapo drumpads. So obviously the question is:

Korg NanoPad or Akai LPD8?

Anyone tried them both? I'm kinda more on the side of Akai - it has knobs, which might be handy for more than drums. Korg has more pads, but I'm not sure if I'll need that much. Also has the touchpad, which looks cool for example for doing rolls. On the other hand, one user somewhere said the pads are actually shit, so dunno.
(about Akai I'm not sure, but the MPC/MPD are famous and liked, so maybe the entry-level stuff will be decent?)
 
OK, probably not a rare question, but I was thinking about buying one of those cheapo drumpads. So obviously the question is:

Korg NanoPad or Akai LPD8?

Anyone tried them both? I'm kinda more on the side of Akai - it has knobs, which might be handy for more than drums. Korg has more pads, but I'm not sure if I'll need that much. Also has the touchpad, which looks cool for example for doing rolls. On the other hand, one user somewhere said the pads are actually shit, so dunno.
(about Akai I'm not sure, but the MPC/MPD are famous and liked, so maybe the entry-level stuff will be decent?)

I've heard pretty bad things about the Korg Nano series as far as durability and build quality. Have you considered the recently announced Arturia Beatstep? Looks to be a major step up from the 2 you listed.
 

Accoun

Member
It's a lot more expensive, though. I can get the ones I listed for like 25% of Arturia's price (at least compared to the price I found in one local web store - none of the other ones I checked had the price listed). Even if not new, in good condition (longer used are probably even a bit cheaper). New ones are still hella cheaper.

So wouldn't get it as a first controller, I guess. Not sure if I want to pay that much to just try If I like that way of playing...
 
Finally got around to finishing up a new song. It's based on some Fiona Apple samples:

MERQUTIO - Everything

EDIT: Used Ableton. All of it is standard stuff though the bass has ThrillSeeker LA on it and I'm using Ozone for some mixing/mastering. Still have no real clue what I'm doing with Ozone though lol.
 
No need to apologize, it says in the OP that we can share our music here. Anyway there's also this other thread

Honestly one of the biggest issues I have is getting anyone to actually listen & talk to me about my music. The only opinion I have steady access to is my own and my girlfriends. I hate everything I make and suffer from imposter syndrome which makes my opinion horribly demotivating.
 

Vally

Member
Honestly one of the biggest issues I have is getting anyone to actually listen & talk to me about my music. The only opinion I have steady access to is my own and my girlfriends. I hate everything I make and suffer from imposter syndrome which makes my opinion horribly demotivating.

Found your Soundcloud from your earlier posts in the thread and commented on some of your tracks, I think most of them are pretty good stuff. Especially Fortunate One, I love the vocals on that one. Some tracks like Jacking Afro's need a bit of mastering and such, but overall your stuff is pretty imaginative and I really like the beats.

Seriously, you're selling yourself way too short. Keep it up and don't let that impostor syndrome or anyone else demotivate you.
 
do we have a thread to promote user made music? nothing against you guys but I'm not here to listen to music, I'm want to talk about production

Requoting this again because LOL
D:

If you guys are going to post projects or songs atleast talk about some of the DAW's, equipment, or techniques and stuff you used.
 
Requoting this again because LOL
D:

If you guys are going to post projects or songs atleast talk about some of the DAW's, equipment, or techniques and stuff you used.
This is small, but I was watching random El-P on Adult Swim videos this morning and he was talking about gear. Very poorly paraphrased, but the gist was that gear does not matter whatsoever. At the core of hip hop is making music with the absolute minimum. If you can make good music with only the two turntables your mom has then you're on your way to becoming a very interesting artist.

Made me interested in seeing what I could come up with with only my Volca Bass and Beats. Going to try it.
 

Fusebox

Banned
Giving yourself creative restrictions can be great for creativity, I'd be interested to hear your Volca-tune man.

Requoting this again because LOL
D:

If you guys are going to post projects or songs atleast talk about some of the DAW's, equipment, or techniques and stuff you used.

Seriously! At least just dump a list of the plugs you used so we can pick your brain about it if there's one we're interested in.
 
Giving yourself creative restrictions can be great for creativity, I'd be interested to hear your Volca-tune man.



Seriously! At least just dump a list of the plugs you used so we can pick your brain about it if there's one we're interested in.
I do need to get some usb->midi cables so I can control them through ableton though. The built in sequencers aren't that powerful

also they're very very quiet. have to turn the gain way up on my interface just to hear them
 
This is small, but I was watching random El-P on Adult Swim videos this morning and he was talking about gear. Very poorly paraphrased, but the gist was that gear does not matter whatsoever. At the core of hip hop is making music with the absolute minimum. If you can make good music with only the two turntables your mom has then you're on your way to becoming a very interesting artist.

Made me interested in seeing what I could come up with with only my Volca Bass and Beats. Going to try it.

I can agree with that and its one of the things I've come to really appreciate about hip hop. You can get so damn far with just a good breakbeat, melody sample, and vocals.

There are tons of examples of that but off the top of my head, Nas' stuff comes to mind. http://www.whosampled.com/sample/97...he-Heath-Brothers-Smilin'-Billy-Suite-Pt.-II/
 
I keep getting tracks favorited on Soundcloud by mastering service providers. I can't tell if that's a good thing or if it's the industry equivalent of getting weight loss DVDs on your birthday.
 
I'm having trouble wrapping my head around using external synths with midi from Ableton. I have an audio interface with a midi in and a midi out, but I'd like to send out midi to two synths (Volcas), can I just use both as outs? If not, does anyone know anything about using usb->midi cables, especially with configuring through Ableton? I have no idea what I'm doing and don't even have the cables I'd need yet anyway
 
"I'm having trouble wrapping my head around using external synths with midi from Ableton. I have an audio interface with a midi in and a midi out, but I'd like to send out midi to two synths (Volcas), can I just use both as outs? If not, does anyone know anything about using usb->midi cables, especially with configuring through Ableton? I have no idea what I'm doing and don't even have the cables I'd need yet anyway"


A single midi output is capable of sending out data for multiple channels. You can get a device called MIDI thru box or MIDI Splitter that basically take a single midi out and split it into multiple outputs. Then you set each device's midi channel to match whichever channel you have setup on the tracks in Ableton. So in Ableton you'd have some midi track set to send midi on channel 1 and another on channel 2. Then you'd have one of your volca's midi channel set to channel 1 and the other on channel 2.
 
"I'm having trouble wrapping my head around using external synths with midi from Ableton. I have an audio interface with a midi in and a midi out, but I'd like to send out midi to two synths (Volcas), can I just use both as outs? If not, does anyone know anything about using usb->midi cables, especially with configuring through Ableton? I have no idea what I'm doing and don't even have the cables I'd need yet anyway"


A single midi output is capable of sending out data for multiple channels. You can get a device called MIDI thru box or MIDI Splitter that basically take a single midi out and split it into multiple outputs. Then you set each device's midi channel to match whichever channel you have setup on the tracks in Ableton. So in Ableton you'd have some midi track set to send midi on channel 1 and another on channel 2. Then you'd have one of your volca's midi channel set to channel 1 and the other on channel 2.
oh neat, so I'd only need a 1-to-2 midi cable? that's useful
 
"oh neat, so I'd only need a 1-to-2 midi cable? that's useful"

I don't think passive midi Y cables actually exist due to how MIDI works. You need a box like this. Search for MIDI splitter box and you'll find a bunch of options.
 
"oh neat, so I'd only need a 1-to-2 midi cable? that's useful"

I don't think passive midi Y cables actually exist due to how MIDI works. You need a box like this or this, etc. Search for MIDI splitter box and you'll find a bunch of options.
Can something like that split two separate midi signals or does it just duplicate one midi signal? I need to have a midi signal for a bass synth and one for a drum machine

edit: looks like it duplicates. That's how I thought midi worked but wasn't sure. Any ideas for what I need to do then?
 
do we have a thread to promote user made music? nothing against you guys but I'm not here to listen to music, I'm want to talk about production

Then talk about production. No one is stopping you. You can talk frequencies, process chains, and VSTS all day, but what better environment for one to get constructive criticism and share techniques than a thread of fellow producers?

Giving yourself creative restrictions can be great for creativity, I'd be interested to hear your Volca-tune man.



Seriously! At least just dump a list of the plugs you used so we can pick your brain about it if there's one we're interested in.

Or you could simply ask about a technique or what was used to achieve an effect. It's really not that hard.
 
Then talk about production. No one is stopping you. You can talk frequencies, process chains, and VSTS all day, but what better environment for one to get constructive criticism and share techniques than a thread of fellow producers?
that's literally what I'm doing right now.

also this
FantasticMrFoxdie said:
If you guys are going to post projects or songs atleast talk about some of the DAW's, equipment, or techniques and stuff you used.
Fusebox said:
Seriously! At least just dump a list of the plugs you used so we can pick your brain about it if there's one we're interested in.
would help discussion too
 
"Can something like that split two separate midi signals or does it just duplicate one midi signal? I need to have a midi signal for a bass synth and one for a drum machine"


The short answer is yes.

The long answer is that it duplicates one "signal", but that "signal" carries data for multiple channels. The devices will technically be receiving data for all the channels, but you're setting each device to only listen to one channel of that signal.
 
"Can something like that split two separate midi signals or does it just duplicate one midi signal? I need to have a midi signal for a bass synth and one for a drum machine"


The short answer is yes.

The long answer is that it duplicates one "signal", but that "signal" carries data for multiple channels. The devices will technically be receiving data for all the channels, but you're setting each device to only listen to one channel of that signal.
Ok, I'm beginning to understand. I'm not really sure how the Volcas handle midi input though, as far as I've seen so far there isn't a "Listen for MIDI channel X" option. Or is that all set through Ableton somehow?
 
"Ok, I'm beginning to understand. I'm not really sure how the Volcas handle midi input though, as far as I've seen so far there isn't a "Listen for MIDI channel X" option. Or is that all set through Ableton somehow?"

You set it in both. In Ableton you'll set, for example, your Bass track to send midi out on channel #3 or something like that and your synth on channel #4. I don't use Ableton but I believe it was called "MIDI To:" and it should be visible where the volume/pan/etc.parts of the track settings are.

For the volcas you would set the channel for each synth to match how you have them set in Ableton: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55m-m0NMDwc

I don't know if that's how it works for all Volcas, but I'd imagine there's information on that somewhere in the manuals if it's not.
 
"Ok, I'm beginning to understand. I'm not really sure how the Volcas handle midi input though, as far as I've seen so far there isn't a "Listen for MIDI channel X" option. Or is that all set through Ableton somehow?"

You set it in both. In Ableton you'll set, for example, your Bass track to send midi out on channel #3 or something like that and your synth on channel #4. I don't use Ableton but I believe it was called "MIDI To:" and it should be visible where the volume/pan/etc.parts of the track settings are.

For the volcas you would set the channel for each synth to match how you have them set in Ableton: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55m-m0NMDwc
Awesome, never seen that setting on the synth before. Thanks a ton
 
Giving yourself creative restrictions can be great for creativity, I'd be interested to hear your Volca-tune man.



Seriously! At least just dump a list of the plugs you used so we can pick your brain about it if there's one we're interested in.

that's literally what I'm doing right now.

also this

would help discussion too

While also backseat modding complaining about people sharing their work
 
There already is a second thread about posting your music by itself, but really it just split discussion between both this and that thread, resulting in both threads kind of being ghost towns.
 

RustyO

Member
Anyone got their hands on the Analog Rytm yet?

Any users of the Octatrack here?

Giving yourself creative restrictions can be great for creativity

x2.

Latest test... what can one do with just an Elektron Octatrack and a E-mu Proteus 2000?

On the hunt for an E-mu Orbit 3, so doing the above to make sure it's worth my while.

On a side note, does anyone here have an E-mu Orbit 3? There's like no demoes of it anwhere on the interwebz, and last time I played with one was a good 10 years ago at GAK in Brighton.

PS: You still got the Euro? I've basically sold all mine off.
 

Fusebox

Banned
I'm having trouble wrapping my head around using external synths with midi from Ableton. I have an audio interface with a midi in and a midi out, but I'd like to send out midi to two synths (Volcas), can I just use both as outs? If not, does anyone know anything about using usb->midi cables, especially with configuring through Ableton? I have no idea what I'm doing and don't even have the cables I'd need yet anyway

As mentioned if the Volcas had MIDI through you could set the Beats to MIDI channel 1 and the Bass to MIDI channel 2 and chain them together.

What you'll need to solve the problem elegantly is something with 2 MIDI outs or more.

I use the Motu Express 128 for this, you could get something much smaller of course:

motu-midiexpress-128.jpg


Now the good thing about having multiple MIDI outs is you don't need to worry about changing MIDI channel on the device, only selecting the right MIDI port on your DAW.

Ableton would see the Motu as 8 separate MIDI outputs, so you plug MIDI OUT 1 on the Motu to MIDI IN on the Beats, and then connect MIDI OUT 2 on the Motu to MIDI IN on the Bass and in Ableton on the MIDI track you just select the right output. Once again, all the external devices are set to MIDI channel 1, you're just choosing which MIDI port you're sending the data out of.

PS: You still got the Euro? I've basically sold all mine off.

Haha, nope - all my modular stuff is gone and the only bit I miss is the sound. It sounded really unique, even when I listen to some of the old stuff I made I'm impressed with the sounds it could make but the workflow just sucked. I even used Silent Ways ES-3 to get 8 channels of CV from the lightpipe output on my sound card but it didn't mean much when my kid had turned a few knobs while I wasn't looking and broke the patch I had painstakingly dialled in.

I used my Eurorack funds to buy a Virus TI Polar lol. Aptly named coz it's the Polar opposite of my Eurorack but damn my workflow is back, the multitimbral plays really nicely with Studio One as well.

Here's the latest tune I made, just some generic banging house - I was inspired by a tune I heard on the Ultra stream that had this really slowly pitched pattern. I set the pitch bend to +12 on the Virus and then automated the pitch bend with a rising exponential curve over 96 bars. I also tried to do a white noise riser to match but the slowest the LFO would go on a ramp shape was about 70 bars so you can hear I bring the riser in a bit after the resort starts. I move through the wavetable OSC to a grimier part as it pitches and I start introducing some triangular FM toward the end too to get it sounding really peaky.

I love the tension that comes from the melody pitching up slowly and slightly, it starts working just before your ears really figure out what's happening:

https://soundcloud.com/kaarma/the-swarm

edit: Dat soundcloud 128kbit downgrade. My highs, my lows... :(

All the bass, leads and risers are from the Virus and I used my standard plugs for the track. Nicky Romeros 'Kick' plugin for the kick, 'Kickstart' for side-chaining, Valhalla Room for reverb, Sonimus SatSon for faux channel strips and SonEq Pro for slicing and dicing, Klanghelm SDRR for a bit of sizzle on the hats and lead, Waves Maxxbass on the bass, Ozone on the master, Bx cleansweep all over the place to keep the bottoms and tops under control, Kontakt West Africa for those african tom-toms, Waves CLA drums on the percussion bus and I bounced and chopped some incidental percussion using Break Tweaker too.

The track has no hook, it's all riser. Once that big rise ended I experimented with dropping into vocals and melody and the big bass/pluck thing thats all over the place at the moment but none of it really worked so I just rolled it out into an early 2000's sounding hard house drum outro and called it a day lol.
 

Vally

Member
I'll crosspost this from the other thread, a short clip of the track I'm working on at the moment:
SundayGirl - SelfControl remix [work in progress]

The genre would be downtempo synthwave or whatever, I dunno. I'm using a vocoder effect for the backing vocals, spent quite a while trying to find a carrier signal that was intelligible enough, I think I'll stick to this one. For the bass I've used these 'Finger bass' samples that come with Reason (and another instrument for the lower frequencies), not sure if the bass stands out a bit too much, I'm trying to focus on making it sound good.

I'm also having some clipping issues when the snare drum hits and the peak meter goes in the red, I'll see if I can solve that. There's a button in the Maximizer device to allow soft clipping so I might just do that since I kind of suck at mastering.

Hey guys ive been playing around with Logic Pro X doing casual stuff.

Its really fun to use but im a noob at it lol. Check out this instrumental i made!

https://soundcloud.com/n-patel663/track-1-logic-demo

Good work, I really like how the guitar sounds. The percussion is pretty nice too.
 

neos

Member
I'll crosspost this from the other thread, a short clip of the track I'm working on at the moment:
SundayGirl - SelfControl remix [work in progress]

The genre would be downtempo synthwave or whatever, I dunno. I'm using a vocoder effect for the backing vocals, spent quite a while trying to find a carrier signal that was intelligible enough, I think I'll stick to this one. For the bass I've used these 'Finger bass' samples that come with Reason (and another instrument for the lower frequencies), not sure if the bass stands out a bit too much, I'm trying to focus on making it sound good.

I'm also having some clipping issues when the snare drum hits and the peak meter goes in the red, I'll see if I can solve that. There's a button in the Maximizer device to allow soft clipping so I might just do that since I kind of suck at mastering.

.
The bass could be a bit lower volume-wise and lacks a bit of low end, the snare is clipping because is too loud, lower it.
Overall i've found the track quite shallow to be honest. Looks like you focused a lot on making the vocal stand out (and you surely achieved that) and forgot the rest of the track.
Kickdrum needs some work too,if you haven't,try using multiple samples mixed togheter, or Kong's transient shaper to better adjsut attack and decay.
 
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