New Batman V Superman Stills From EW
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Still... She was in military forces. That right there is "military experience". I was a cook in the army of my country when I graduate from high school and I do have military expirience.
I wonder how many do that "basic traing." outside Israel.
Ganzlinger
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Batfleck is looking amazing to me.
But not feeling Gadot as WW, though.
Jamie Alexander is also petite but I think she has the face of a female superhero I don't know. She has the beauty. Gadot is of course beautiful but she doesn't have much charisma I think.
But not feeling Gadot as WW, though.
Jamie Alexander is also petite but I think she has the face of a female superhero I don't know. She has the beauty. Gadot is of course beautiful but she doesn't have much charisma I think.
"We're going to make people forget you were ever involved with Jennifer Lopez, Gigli, and Reindeer Games."
"Hey Zack, how many Oscars do you have again?"
I liked reindeer games
PHOENIXZERO
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Antje Traue sold Faora but if you're going to use her as an example it should probably be accompanied by an image from the time they were filming. Nothing from Gadot has sold her as pulling off Wonder Woman to a lot of people. Maybe we'll get some footage at Comic Con that will change that.
No, you were agreeing with the post you quoted that said he "shouldn't be jacked" and "logically a character like that would be pretty thin" and added that it was why you partially think Reeve was still the "go-to" and posted an image with a depiction that's contradictory to how Reeve was built. Reeve didn't look like an "HGH fueled man-beast" because that wasn't a thing back then outside body builders (though in the late 70s that's be steroids) that wasn't a thing at the time but he was pretty jacked. Christopher Reeve is the standard because of obviously the movies at the time but because of how he looked.
If a 27 year old Christopher Reeve was playing Clark/Superman today he'd be just as jacked if not more so and over all bigger than Cavill.
As for the comics, they do go over board sometimes with how big they make Superman but it fits with the character, him being skinny wouldn't be fitting despite the "logic" behind it, build wise Superman should look physically imposing and contradictory to his nature.
No, you were agreeing with the post you quoted that said he "shouldn't be jacked" and "logically a character like that would be pretty thin" and added that it was why you partially think Reeve was still the "go-to" and posted an image with a depiction that's contradictory to how Reeve was built. Reeve didn't look like an "HGH fueled man-beast" because that wasn't a thing back then outside body builders (though in the late 70s that's be steroids) that wasn't a thing at the time but he was pretty jacked. Christopher Reeve is the standard because of obviously the movies at the time but because of how he looked.
If a 27 year old Christopher Reeve was playing Clark/Superman today he'd be just as jacked if not more so and over all bigger than Cavill.
As for the comics, they do go over board sometimes with how big they make Superman but it fits with the character, him being skinny wouldn't be fitting despite the "logic" behind it, build wise Superman should look physically imposing and contradictory to his nature.
Bobby Roberts
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Sounds like you wanted to respond to someone else's post then, not mine.
I mean - you understood what I was getting at, right? Clearly? It seems like you did. So I don't get this.
PHOENIXZERO
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You have military experience but as a cook in the military you wouldn't go around selling that experience as to why you would be believable in an action role would you?
I probably should've quoted the other post as well. But yes, I do agree that in comics he gets drawn with ridiculous proportions sometimes that match to a character who is supposed to be 6'3" or 4 and 235-245 pounds.
Bobby Roberts
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Cool. Thanks man.
Also, last time the whole "Gadot's body" discussion came up, I believe it was established her military experience wasn't just basic training - she was a physical fitness instructor for the military, wasn't she? Something like that.
Jason's Ultimatum
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who is that?
Physical fitness specialist.
Bobby Roberts
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Thanks.
DC's not even consistent with it. Some variations of Supergirl are as strong (or at least have the capacity to be as strong) as Superman. Superboy Prime was clearly stronger than Superman despite being built like a typical comic book teenager. The sun building muscle mass that correlates with his strength doesn't really match up with the other characters. Future supermen who had been in the sun decades or centuries longer weren't all that much bigger either.
I understand why the character was designed to look like a strong man originally (and how that got exaggerated in the 80s/90s when you had Arnold setting the standard for action heroes). That's what we associate with physical power. However, if Kara shows that muscle mass is not needed for Kryptonian super strength, and superman can't break a sweat benching anything less massive than a moon, he shouldn't look like he's about to compete in Mr. Universe.
Hickman and his artists in the recent Avengers run did a good job turning that particular trope on its head with Starbrand. You have a skinny 19 year old who doesn't look at all intimidating, but he's stronger than the Hulk and Thor due to the Starbrand power source.
ehhh... like all the military forces in the world. You could be the cook or the I.T guy, you have a military training like other forces. Because you know... There is alway the posibility that you have to go to combat? So yes.. I have experience as a cook plus combat training, survival traing, etc... I know that you know how the army works, right?
Having a bunch of guys like you judge an actress based on how much muscle tone she has to have to suit your image of what Wonder Woman should look like is bad for women.
So Gal Gadot is now the "most extreme end of the spectrum away from muscular"?
Did Uma Thurman look silly fighting 88 yakuza with a slight frame in Kill Bill? How could Black Widow possibly fight against mechanical alien enemies that are bigger than her and also armored, she has no bulk at all! A good director can sell any action scene, petite girl fighting someone stronger-looking than her or not.
The perpetual complaining about Gadot's 'frame' or 'bodytype' is really just a disguise for how Gal Gadot isn't the Wonder Woman you envisioned. It's all excuses to complain about how, physically, she isn't your comic book fantasy. She isn't wearing full armor to fight against Superman, but you're not persistently complaining about how unrealistic that is. Instead, here are a bunch of comics nerds defending a Wonder Woman costume design with a battle skirt and very little armor. "Oh, historical reference!" "Oh, this is her classic look!" "Oh, this bullshit and that bullshit!" And on the side they're complaining about how unrealistic the actress's body is. Right.
PHOENIXZERO
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Her title was "sports trainer" from when I remember when I looked it up back when she was cast and people would throw out her being in the military as a selling point for her being able to portray an "amazon warrior".
Yeah, it's inconsistent, especially with female characters and they retconned the more recent example of Supergirl being stronger (before I think it was supposed to be because she was in space for so long absorbing heavier doses of solar radiation wasn't it?) than Superman with Clark always holding back or whatever, IIRC the sun playing its part obtaining a physical peak was the explanation and more so maybe affecting him since he'd been on Earth since he was an infant?
As for New 52 era Superman I can't really comment on it since I stopped reading around a year after it launched.
SJRB
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Well this thread sure went places overnight. Some of you motherfuckers need to understand that it is what it is; Gal Gadot is Wonder Woman. It's done, it's over. There's no need to shit up every BvS thread yelling she looks too skinny and they should cast someone else, you're not doing anyone any favors.
CosmicGroinPull
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Guys it's cool and all that you prefer a certain bodytype for WW, but nothing's going to happen at this point apart from you venting, you know?
Good to see this thread is already honoring the cycle.
Why didn't anyone make one of these for Man of Steel.
My god. There was a new thread about that movie every few weeks. It was the same shit every thread...going around in circles.
Ganzlinger
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Carol Saraiva, Brazilian fitness model
BadAss2961
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It's funny that people believe they're gonna walk out of the theater thinking Wonder Woman was too skinny. Have they ever seen a Zack Snyder film? Do they know how movies work?
PHOENIXZERO
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Sure but the point I was trying to make is regarding what level of expertise is achieved in those areas beyond the basic.
I think MoS was one of the first film threads to usher in the new news new thread theme. New threads popped up with any new news.
krypt0nian
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OMG that cover.....unf unf unf
Finaika
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Is Wonder Woman always this huge?
No.
Riposte
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People seem to get really heated by this conversation. I think Gadot looks lame and lacks the presence of her co-stars, but I don't really care as far as the movie goes nor care how much that bothers people. I don't think anyone is being unfair, this thread's subject is showing off the cast, so what do you expect?
The sad thing is, presuming her acting doesn't end up being atrocious, how Gadot is received as Wonder Woman is going to be mostly out of her control. If the fight choreography, editing, and cinematography depicts her as powerful and imposing, she'll be thought of as powerful and imposing. Check out this skinny WW and how much she kicks ass
Bronetta
Ask me about the moon landing or the temperature at which jet fuel burns. You may be surprised at what you learn.
If the internet complains enough they'll recast her that's how it works.
No. I'm talking about LTTP threads. This is after MoS had been released and we had an OT for it. With every new thread the OP either liked it or hated and the arguments were pretty much cyclical. It has been the most polarizing movie.
I'm afraid BvS will continue that trend.
They will literally reshoot the movie with a new actress if the internet complains enough.
Finaika
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The animation is so smooth.
IdreamofHIME
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Batman has never looked so much like the actor portraying him before. Terrible.
matrix-cat
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Batman looks legit in this shot, but not so much just standing there politely in harsh white lighting
Joel Was Right
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Why does WW need to be bigger? Because of the comics?
She doesn't. People just need something to complain about.
That's Jay Oliva's insanely intricate storyboarding at work.
LOL
I wouldn't really mind a Zuckerberg like Lex tbh
Future Foundation
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Is Batman supposed to look like someone else?
Clooney?
What does this even mean?
I agree with you, absolutely. That's the state that we're at with battling beauty standards and body acceptance... However to be fair to the other side, if you had a rail thin actor playing Batman, they'd likely get an equal amount of scrutiny leveled toward them. That's the nature of dealing with fans and their expectations.
Femmeworth
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That cover looks not good and the text not covering Wonder Woman's thighs seems deliberate.
Yeah, because that theoretical actor would fall well outside of Batman's general body type.
Gadot fits Diana. With room to spare depending on which source you are looking at.
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