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[NintendoGal]

speak out against these injustices they face themselves as well as those around them. The fact that they aren't is a MAJOR reason things are so bad right now.

I get what you're saying, but there are many who aren't cut out to play martyr. I feel it takes a particular type individual to stand up and risk not being able to provide for themselves and family and say this is wrong.

Personally I just don't like blanket/sweeping statements without boundaries. I do truly believe there ARE good cops out there (who usually end up fired it would seem!), but I believe that of everything, so I guess I just am that naive in many eyes.

 

[pizzaparty]

Thanks Obama.
Why doesn't the fed do something? Now in this one topic that the fed should actually get involved in!

Because of the 10th amendment of the Constitution.

 

[SummitAve]

Are you talking about internal investigations and prosecutors that regularly work with those officers? I'm sure everything will be on the up and up. Just look at how much justice we get when the footage is actually released.

Internal and external. The footage is just one piece of evidence. The footage has the potential to provide useful evidence, but one cannot expect them to by the lynch pin in every case. My privacy concerns are in regards to victims and innocent bystanders being caught in the worst of situations and then having that be publically accessible by anyone. I just don't think it's responsible and we need to find better solutions for accessing and storing the mass amounts of footage. Not all the pros and cons of body cams were immediately apparent when the idea was first floated so it's still a learning process for each individual departments to do it right.

 

[Frozenprince]

I get what you're saying, but there are many who aren't cut out to play martyr. I feel it takes a particular type individual to stand up and risk not being able to provide for themselves and family and say this is wrong.

Personally I just don't like blanket/sweeping statements without boundaries. I do truly believe there ARE good cops out there (who usually end up fired it would seem!), but I believe that of everything, so I guess I just am that naive in many eyes.

There are good cops. There are a lot. I know quite a few.

But there being good police officers doesn't excuse there being open season on black men. It's not the public being hunted's job to force change, that change has to come from within.

 

[CrunchyFrog]

How is body cam footage any different from dash cam footage? There seems to be little to no issue in obtaining the latter AFAIK? If there's no difference, could this be something brought to SCOTUS?

 

[NintendoGal]

There are good cops. There are a lot. I know quite a few.

But there being good police officers doesn't excuse there being open season on black men. It's not the public being hunted's job to force change, that change has to come from within.

I'm going to disagree and say the change doesn't have to come from within. It could come from the people and already has in the shape of the fact we even have body cameras and some access to them.

Public outcry. I think that will change things more than anything simply because the good ones will start to see and be shamed of what's going on that they willingly do as you say.

 

[Massive Duck. C.M.]

Unfortunately predictable

Let's remove all law enforcement from the US for 6 months and revisit this statement because as much as the shitty officers piss you, me and everyone else all let's not make a fucking blanket statement of every single police officer is a corrupt, murdering piece of shit.

Is your knee ok

 

[Zoe]

How is body cam footage any different from dash cam footage? There seems to be little to no issue in obtaining the latter AFAIK? If there's no difference, could this be something brought to SCOTUS?

One huge difference is dash cam footage only activates under specific conditions.

 

[Malvolio]

One huge difference is dash cam footage only activates under specific conditions.

And can easily be obstructed. http://jalopnik.com/is-this-virginia-police-department-popping-the-hoods-on-1787096994

 

[Beefy]

I can see nothing wrong with this...

Spoiler

/s

 

[thuway]

Well I can imagine something like this could become unconstitutional if enough people rally support.

 

[bitbydeath]

Let's remove all law enforcement from the US for 6 months

I fully support this measure, just replace them with a non-for-profit group.

6 months let's go!

 

[O.v.e.rlord]

Question, is this because of the video is apart of a ongoing investigation and is deing used as evidence? Is that why they won't release videos?

 

[Version 3.0]

Maybe it's time for everyone to wear body cams.

 

[Easy_D]

The fuck is the point of body cams if police can just whisk the footage away at their own whims?

Let's remove all law enforcement from the US for 6 months and revisit this statement because as much as the shitty officers piss you, me and everyone else all let's not make a fucking blanket statement of every single police officer is a corrupt, murdering piece of shit.

"My uncle works for the Mob, he's not a bad guy though, he's never killed anyone or something"

 

[Brian_FETO]

I love Message in a Bottle

10/10

Blue lies matter, friends

 

[KingBroly]

Maybe it's time for everyone to wear body cams.

Body Cams will only mitigate things to a certain degree, if anything at all.


What needs to be looked at it qualifications and training of police officers. But that has to be on a state-by-state basis since Police are by-products of state Governments, not the Federal Government.

 

[Cuburt]

Is the solution to arm every citizen with body cams?

 

[EatinOlives]

"Trust us", says government-backed nationwide organization that routinely commits murder and has direct access to exploit criminal justice for its own gain.

 

[Bad_Boy]

black man using his 2nd amendment rights
and police dont have to release video

think about those two things for a second.
whats to stop a cop shooting anybody and blaming it on the feeling of danger.

without witness the cop will get off 10 out 10 times.

fuck.

 

[Mammoth Jones]

Fuck the police unions. And fuck their cult of personality they've manipulated to insulate themselves from accountability.

And fuck all the police worshipping citizens out there that just think if we behave these things don't happen. Because what they do to the least of us will one day come home to roost for you and yours.

 

[spazchicken]

Initially, Police Chief Kerr Putney chose not to immediately release the camera footage, only doing so amid pressure from the public. Release of another video from one of Scott's family members also added to the calls for police to release their footage.

Putney's decision may be one of the final times a police chief will relent to public pressure.

Aren't the police SERVANTS to the public? Shouldn't that mean complete transparency in what they do and how they do it? If the public demands something they are paying for, shouldn't the police provide it without delay?

This sounds like they are their own group, gang or mob in it for themselves to control people and cover up their dealing and killings. They aren't protecting and serving anyone but themselves and their special interests.

 

[Link]

"Trust us", says government-backed nationwide organization that routinely commits murder and has direct access to exploit criminal justice for its own gain.

"Trust me" has worked for Trump just fine. People are dumb.

 

[Apt101]

It's apparent we need federal oversight of law enforcement. If we continue leaving it up to the state and the departments themselves, eventually they're going to be immune to everything. Their answer to wrongdoing and bad policing isn't "how can we correct this?", it's "how can we make it so we cannot be accountable?".

 

[mugwhump]

What's the point of even having body cams then?

Well, I assume the footage will still be used as evidence in trials.

 

[The Faceless Master]

i remember saying body cameras wouldn't matter a few years ago and still i didn't expect this.

 

[Link]

Well, I assume the footage will still be used as evidence in trials.

Assuming any of those incidents make it to trial.

 

[EdibleKnife]

. Their answer to wrongdoing and bad policing isn't "how can we correct this?", it's "how can we make it so we cannot be accountable?".

And minorities are stuck fighting this battle while other people in the mainstream ignore and ignore. The "sovereign citizens", "open carry activists" and the like who so deeply fear a police state and make fools out of themselves on camera in front of officers to feel big, do nothing when it comes to events like this. It's that notion that people will deal with or ignore injustice as long as it's happening to people they deem undesirable. Minorities will suffer on the bottom rung as more and more justice is denied them until it creeps to the top and everyone is wondering how they gave officers more leeway and power when it just further corrupts them. This notion of police as instantly noble because they chose their profession truly needs to be wiped away because it gives a blanket excuse to many who just want power to use and abuse.

 

[Slayven]

You almost have to laugh to keep from crying.

They keep saying trust us, but they keep DOING everything to show distrust is more than warranted, it's needed

 

[GrizzleBoy]

YEAH BUT HILLARYS EMAILS.

CAN WE GET OUR PRIORITIES STRAIGHT HERE?

ALSO OBAMA CARE.

THE REAL ISSUES.

 

[Phobophile]

Maybe it's time for everyone to wear body cams.

I wanna get one of those 360° cameras that's the new marketing trend just so there's less chance of obstruction.

 

[shintoki]

Maybe it's time for everyone to wear body cams.

You were filming a cop. You'll be arrested... no joke

 

[Zoe]

Assuming any of those incidents make it to trial.

I'm presuming he was talking about trials where the cop isn't the one on trial.

 

[Aaronology]

Let's remove all law enforcement from the US for 6 months and revisit this statement because as much as the shitty officers piss you, me and everyone else all let's not make a fucking blanket statement of every single police officer is a corrupt, murdering piece of shit.

That post got you incensed enough to reply when the OP itself did not.

Sad.

 

[Derwind]

I'm throughly disappointed with this measure. If you were worried about public distrust before....

 

[Lactose_Intolerant]

What's the point of even having body cams then?

For the times when they aren't at fault. Same reason people have dash cams in their cars.

This is a pretty stupid law though. We know they can't police themselves.

 

[DarthWoo]

Body Cams will only mitigate things to a certain degree, if anything at all.


What needs to be looked at it qualifications and training of police officers. But that has to be on a state-by-state basis since Police are by-products of state Governments, not the Federal Government.

I think we all know that most police here are dismally under-trained, but I just saw an interesting article on CNN on just how little training they get compared to various licensed professions.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/28/us/jobs-training-police-trnd/index.html

Examples:

North Carolina

• Police Officer: 620 hours
• Licensed Barber: 1528 hours

Louisiana

• Police Officer: 300 hours
• Manicurist: 500 hours

 

[BLACK AMERICAN PSYCHO]

The higher ups aren't about to weaken white supremacy if they don't have to, also their unions are to stronk. We need Black people to start arming themselves and policing the police again so we can get a police reform/better gun control. Nothing lights a fire under the higher up's ass than Black'd deciding that they refuse to tolerate their BS any longer.

You almost have to laugh to keep from crying.

They keep saying trust us, but they keep DOING everything to show distrust is more than warranted, it's needed

Trust white supremacy brehs

 

[BLACK AMERICAN PSYCHO]

Let's remove all law enforcement from the US for 6 months and revisit this statement because as much as the shitty officers piss you, me and everyone else all let's not make a fucking blanket statement of every single police officer is a corrupt, murdering piece of shit.

You realize that the police come from slave watchers right? You do realize that the idea of Blacks coming together and policing themselves since the police doesn't know how to act is a thing that some activist are tying to push.... right?

 

[*Splinter]

I'm a little conflicted.

"In an ideal world", this footage should be considered evidence, and there should be laws governing if/when it is released to the public (and other parties).

However, based on what we've seen already, it's hard to justify trusting the police with anything more than complete transparency.

 

[Booya_base]

You have GOT to be kidding me. At this point it'd be better to save the money and just not have body cams!

 

[BLACK AMERICAN PSYCHO]

Well I can imagine something like this could become unconstitutional if enough people rally support.

White's en masse have to care so nope. A lot of black people just need to buy guns legally and it would be overturned tomorrow.

 

[excelsiorlef]

At this point I say do away with state laws. It seems that 9 times out of 10 they are used primarily as a means of instituting oppression where the federal government refuses. Fuck states rights at this point. Implement federal law as the only law of the land.

Risky... a GOP dominated run could spread oppression nation wide with no state firewall.

Well spread it more than it already is

 

[SlickShoesRUCrazy]

This is horseshit.

 

[Mortimer Brewster]

At this point I say do away with state laws. It seems that 9 times out of 10 they are used primarily as a means of instituting oppression where the federal government refuses. Fuck states rights at this point. Implement federal law as the only law of the land.

Yes because giving absolute power to single government body is a great idea. You think people are oppressed unde the current system? You haven't seen anything yet until you give the federal government absolute power. Thankfully there is a thing called the United States Constitution that prevents stupid ideas like this from happening.

 

[BLACK AMERICAN PSYCHO]

At this point I say do away with state laws. It seems that 9 times out of 10 they are used primarily as a means of instituting oppression where the federal government refuses. Fuck states rights at this point. Implement federal law as the only law of the land.

The Feds are racist too(*creating black ghettos, selling drugs to black ghettos, prison industrial complex, assassinating black civil rights leader, considering everybody that doesn't agree with their methods a potential terrorist, starting wars for billion dollar corporations, ect.)

 

[Vengal]

Kinda shitty that these are getting suppressed or restricted legally. I do think that not just anyone should be able to request this footage though as sometimes when the police come knocking you may not be in pants. So long as the people involved in the footage are cool with it being released it should be (officers not being able to object).

 

[tkscz]

If you needed anymore of a reason to put focus on who you vote into your local congress.

 

[Zoe]

Kinda shitty that these are getting suppressed or restricted legally. I do think that not just anyone should be able to request this footage though as sometimes when the police come knocking you may not be in pants. So long as the people involved in the footage are cool with it being released it should be (officers not being able to object).

What if someone is trying to pull footage from when they're in the office discussing personal issues?

 

[Hippo_PRIME]

These kinds of laws are only going to deepen the "us vs. them" mentality of the public and the police, on both sides. It really sells the idea that the police absolutely do have something to hide. I feel like the inadvertent message is for the public to start recording every interaction with police because law enforcement will certainly not be transparent.