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[Scottlarock]

not the place for this, but it just came to me like a vision from god.


the Nintendo Revolution will be a portable big handheld to play on the go. But also let you connect it to a tv and controllers for a home console system. when playing on a tv it will have better resolution and colors.

 

[doncale]

Mario 128 should be for GC

Mario 256 should be for Revolution

is that hard to realize ?

 

[Shiggy]

Mario 128 should be for GC

Mario 256 should be for Revolution

is that hard to realize ?

Yes. Oui. Ja. Si.
I don't think there will be a Mario 256. After the long Mario 128 development time...
:lol

 

[jarrod]

ea published last year only the multi plattform shit in europe. all the ps2 exclusives are distruted by sony. that publishing deal was under the "ea partners" banner.

Nintendo also publishes Namco's GC exclusives (as well as SC2 GC) and Atari publishes their GBA stuff.

 

[Shiggy]

Nintendo also publishes Namco's GC exclusives (as well as SC2 GC) and Atari publishes their GBA stuff.

They only publish Soul Calibur 2 and Street Racing Syndicate, or?

 

[CrimsonSkies]

Let's be honest, Crimson. If Xbox 2 launched with Soul Calibur 3, Godfather and Madden 2006 it'd be the best console launch ever for you

Let me know what you think is a good launch lineup. I want a good laugh. :lol

 

[android]

Let's be honest, Crimson. If Xbox 2 launched with Soul Calibur 3, Godfather and Madden 2006 it'd be the best console launch ever for you

Add Perfect Dark to that (I know not likely) and maybe whatever Epic is working on, and you got a pretty damn good lineup. Certainly better than the PS2's launch

 

[Amir0x]

Let me know what you think is a good launch lineup. I want a good laugh. :lol

I'm trying to figure out what answer you think I'm going to give you. I'm trying to decide whether to give an intentionally argumentative answer just to see you spaz over someone hatin' on a Microsoft Xbox brand system, or if I should give a legitimate answer just to see you kick the sand in confusion.

Well, I'll be honest.

What do I consider a good launch line-up? To be honest, I really haven't seen a good launch line-up yet. I've seen decent ones and adequate ones, and even ones with one or two spectacular games but everything else shitty.

What would be my ideal launch line-up?

Well, I would like it if at least one game comes out to cover all bases. And, naturally, I would like development time on these titles to be sufficient enough so that the quality doesn't suffer as dramatically as it normally does. I would like an RPG, a FPS, some sports games, adventure game, platformer, puzzler. Perhaps a great multiplayer game in the process. I want at least one or two "big" titles, i.e. extensions of proven franchises or games with massive marketing pushes. The launch line-up should be at least 25-30 titles large, and at least 6-8 of them should be what I consider a "quality" buy.

But what can I say, I'm an idealist. Interestingly enough, probably the best launch line-up I've ever seen has been recent with the announcement of the US PSP Launch. It covers virtually every big genre and has several high-profile titles getting fantastic buzz. It has puzzle games, RPGs, sports games, extreme sports games, 3D platformers, etc... really, it's only missing FPS. And if Konami had Coded Arms on time, even that would be covered.

So, what do I think is a good launch line-up?

One with its bases covered and with a bunch of high-quality titles.

Add Perfect Dark to that (I know not likely) and maybe whatever Epic is working on, and you got a pretty damn good lineup. Certainly better than the PS2's launch

Everything is better than PS2s launch line-up! If that's something you're trying to aim for, then it wouldn't be difficult.

But yeah, I would not be impressed by a lineup which features a game that will already be out on GC and PS2 (according to this SC3 rumour) and another which will be on PS2 (Godfather). I'm sure the visual boost will be noteworthy, but I do not consider a launch line up good unless it has some stellar original content on top of the franchise extensions, etc..

If Perfect Dark 0 comes to Xbox 2 launch - which has no chance of hell of happening unless the kids at RARE change over night - then things are looking a little bit nicer. But even then it's not impressive, it's merely adequate.

 

[Mama Smurf]

I realise no one picked up on it, so these things probably don't matter, but:

Well this gen they created 2 different teams for both mario and zelda, A team that made mario sunshine and a team that is working on mario 128 since a long long time now.Aonuma's wind waker and now an "unknown" director is making the next zelda (the guy responsible for the spaceworld 2k demo iirc).

You may well be right about Mario, though I think from what we've heard the "team" who've been working on Mario 128 is quite small and are basically just experimental, ready to be fully supported by a larger team when they come up with the ideas they want to run with (which, assumign the rumour is true, must have hapepned a while ago).

As for Zelda, I don't think they split into two teams. There's no real reason to think it. There's been plenty of time for the sequel to WW to be made by the same team, we're told it runs on the WW engine (modified), and the "unknown" director is pretty certain to be Mitsuhiro Takano. I can't remember if that's been officially revealed or if it's just a strong rumour, but either way it's likely. And he worked on WW as a script planner, so I doubt there was another team.

Nintendo also have their new tokyo studio that are responsible for donkey konga jungle beat, Iwata said that this team would focus on next gen titles iirc.

You know, I thought I'd heard that before. A while back I looked for the quote though, and couldn't find it. I did find one which said they'd focus on innovative titles instead, so I assumed I was just remembering wrong.

Of course, now I can't find either quote, so...

They could be working on a Revolution Mario. However, in a Dutch magazine interview with the guys behind Jungle Beat, they mentioned they were making another game which used the bongos and wouldn't be a normal Nintendo character. I know they're still hiring at Tokyo, but I'm not sure they're big enough to take on two projects yet, especially when one's as big as Mario.

The mario sunshine team probably already started a project for revolution, wether its mario or something else.

The Mario Sunshine team don't really exist anymore. The main guys behind it are working at the Tokyo studio and I think some of the Mario Sunshine team are there with them, and the rest are still at normal EAD.

 

[android]

Yeah i used the PS2 because it sold so many units without one good game. But really none of the three companies are going to have more than one or two amazing launch titles. Third parties don't really want to come in on the first day, as there is no install base to sell to. So it rests on the first parties for the first few months. Having a quality game in every genre, especially ones that are hurting (adventure) is very unrealistic. Has any company ever done that?

 

[Amir0x]

Yeah i used the PS2 because it sold so many units without one good game. But really none of the three companies are going to have more than one or two amazing launch titles. Third parties don't really want to come in on the first day, as there is no install base to sell to. So it rests on the first parties for the first few months. Having a quality game in every genre, especially ones that are hurting (adventure) is very unrealistic. Has any company ever done that?

Yes. Has any company ever done that before? Well, to varying degrees. But as my example stated, PSP is really truly the best one I could come up with because launch games are usually mediocre/limited. PSP US Launch has a game in nearly every major genre, and is supported by big companies right out of the boat (EA, Namco, Konami, Capcom, etc..etc..). That's the closest comparrison I can make, because like I said we don't exactly have many "good" launches to choose from.

And btw, I meant adventure game in the less traditional sense, not the original "point-and-click" way. I just want a well-covered launch with at least 6-8 games that I can really be pleased with if I chose any 4 from that group.

 

[Blimblim]

Yeah i used the PS2 because it sold so many units without one good game. But really none of the three companies are going to have more than one or two amazing launch titles. Third parties don't really want to come in on the first day, as there is no install base to sell to. So it rests on the first parties for the first few months. Having a quality game in every genre, especially ones that are hurting (adventure) is very unrealistic. Has any company ever done that?

3rd parties also may want to be there first and have a chance to sell "not perfect" games while this system's market is still starving for games. Just see what the sales difference between a good but not stellar launch title like PGR, and the excellent PGR2 2 years later.
There will be lots of 3rd party titles for Xbox 2 launch. Some might even actually be good (Sega/Monolith Condemned for example, or Call of Duty 2 if you have seen the PC Gamer screens).

 

[Amir0x]

I am interested in Condemned to a degree. But SEGA has done nothing but disappoint me, so I'll hold my breathe

 

[Blimblim]

I am interested in Condemned to a degree. But SEGA has done nothing but disappoint me, so I'll hold my breathe

Well, I have more faith in Monolith than in Sega these days, that's for sure. I so long for the Dreamcast days where Sega was this incredible company releasing mindblowingly fun games almost every months. I still don't understand how they could go from this to what they are now.

 

[Amir0x]

Well, I have more faith in Monolith than in Sega these days, that's for sure.

Me too, but I feel that SEGA must be some sort of a jinx at this point. One out of every eighteen games they make is good these days (<<hyperbole).

I so long for the Dreamcast days where Sega was this incredible company releasing mindblowingly fun games almost every months. I still don't understand how they could go from this to what they are now.

Poor Dreamcast. Dead so before its time... I love that little machine that could... gave a hell of a gaming blast.

 

[android]

3rd parties also may want to be there first and have a chance to sell "not perfect" games while this system's market is still starving for games. Just see what the sales difference between a good but not stellar launch title like PGR, and the excellent PGR2 2 years later.
There will be lots of 3rd party titles for Xbox 2 launch. Some might even actually be good (Sega/Monolith Condemned for example, or Call of Duty 2 if you have seen the PC Gamer screens).

When did they annouce Call of Duty 2?

 

[DopeyFish]

wow. uh.

All signs are pointing to a stellar xbox 2 launch lineup. Xbox had the best launch lineup of any console ever. It's not even arguable. Then Xbox 2 comes along with an INCREDIBLE offering and amirox calls it "adequate"

Sorry dude. Your expectations are way out of line.

Why don't you go back to when 3 launch titles was good enough for you.

Oh hell! PD0, PGR3, DOA4, Oblivion, the majority of the EA sports lineup, Burnout 4, Shadowrun, etc etc

A list so big i forgot them all.

THEY ALL SUCK GUYS!

I'M OFF TO PLAY FANTAVISION AND TTT! and ummm.. Ridge racer.

and ummm..

... madden.

 

[Blimblim]

Oh hell! PD0, PGR3, DOA4, Oblivion, the majority of the EA sports lineup, Burnout 4, Shadowrun, etc etc

I really doubt Shadowrun will make it for launch. Each time this game gets mentioned, I always get a warning about this one being planned for launch but being most likely late.

 

[Socreges]

Xbox had the best launch lineup of any console ever. It's not even arguable.

For who? You? That's fine. But for many people it was just Halo and nothing else.

 

[DopeyFish]

I really doubt Shadowrun will make it for launch. Each time this game gets mentioned, I always get a warning about this one being planned for launch but being most likely late.

bah. Shadowrun or not, it's still a stellar lineup.

For who? You? That's fine. But for many people it was just Halo and nothing else.

It's a lot better than nothing and nothing else.

 

[Blimblim]

bah. Shadowrun or not, it's still a stellar lineup.

Yup, especially since we do not know everything yet
As for the Xbox launch lineup, one would argue that Halo + PGR + JSRF + Amped + DOA3 + a few I have forgotten is better than most launch lineups from much more respected console makers...

 

[DopeyFish]

JSRF was spring afterwards

this was lineup

4x4 EVO 2
Air Force Delta Storm
Amped
Cel Damage
Dark Summit
Dead or Alive 3
Fuzion Frenzy
Halo
Madden NFL 2002
Mad Dash Racing
NASCAR HEAT 2002
NASCAR Thunder 2002
NHL Hitz 2002
Oddworld: Munch's Oddysee
Project Gotham Racing
Shrek
Test Drive Off-Road Wide Open
Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 2x
Transworld Surf

 

[Amir0x]

Is this post serious? I honestly cannot tell. Did you read anything I said? I'm having this amazing vision where you sat at home and saw the words "Microsoft" and "adequate" and went off into a spiraling rage, masturbating furiously over what you perceive the difference to be. Take a step back, DopeyFish. Breathe in! It's going to be alright. But I'll even humour you

wow. uh.

Wow! Uh! A perfect sumary of the rest of your post! Staying on point - I like it.

All signs are pointing to a stellar xbox 2 launch lineup.

Where are these mystical signs? Are these signs, perchance, rumours? I see. Well even if they're not, I'm certainly happy if things do indeed turn out stellar for the Xbox2 launch! More games for everybody!

Xbox had the best launch lineup of any console ever.

Are you talking about Xbox 1? Because if that's the case, I guess our opinions differ so vastly that it's almost pointless to continue! And yet here I am:

Halo, Oddworld: Munch's Oddysee, NFL Fever 2002, Project Gotham Racing, Fuzion Frenzy, Madden NFL 2002, NASCAR Thunder 2002, and Cel Damage, NASCAR Heat 2002, TransWorld Surf, Test Drive Off-Road Wide Open, NHL Hitz 2002, Mad Dash Racing, Shrek, 4x4 EVO 2, Dark Summit, Air Force Delta Storm, DOA3 and THPS2x.

Sure, the bases are covered. And it'd even be a nice launch if you happen to be among the people who enjoy your bases covered with bird shit. Halo and PGR. Also, Madden. Perhaps DOA3 if you set your standards so low as to make them irrelevant. And Munch is just atrocious, especially compared to the likes of Stranger's Wrath or the previous Oddworld games before it.

So if you like NASCAR and really, really crappy football games or party games like Fuzion Frenzy and NFL Fever, maybe the launch could be considered better for you.

But, this is my opinion. Guess we have to agree to disagree, hm?

It's not even arguable.

Really? It has transcended into the realm of fact! The temple has spoken.

Then Xbox 2 comes along with an INCREDIBLE offering and amirox calls it "adequate"

Xbox 2 has come along? It has an incredible offering? Holy shit I must have been asleep for the last 12 months. I gotta get myself down to the store to partake in this launch-ey goodness!

Sorry dude. Your expectations are way out of line.

I expect nothing but greatness. You should expect nothing else either, although it's becoming increasingly clear that you set your standards exponentionally lower than my own.

Why don't you go back to when 3 launch titles was good enough for you.

Wasn't this whole discussion about how 3 launch titles aren't good enough for me?

Oh hell! PD0, PGR3, DOA4, Oblivion, the majority of the EA sports lineup, Burnout 4, Shadowrun, etc etc

Rumour, speculation, speculation, likely, of course, speculation, speculation, etc, etc...

If every last title you state here makes it (with the exception of DOA4 since I could care fuck all about that hideous T&A excuse for a fighting game Itagaki fellates himself to), then I might actually begin to change my mood. Of course, unless PD0 makes it (which I highly doubt it will make it) then the launch lacks any big game like Halo. Which is yet another dent in my personal opinion of the launch.

A list so big i forgot them all.

You might find the rest of the list back in Speculation Town. Make a left at making-shit-up street.

THEY ALL SUCK GUYS!

Capslock makes it funny!

I'M OFF TO PLAY FANTAVISION AND TTT! and ummm.. Ridge racer.

Capslocks makes it funny once more! Implications about me being a fanboy makes it even funnier! Especially since, if you read what I stated, I hated the PS2 launch and thought it was crap! But guys, all for the sake of comedy! Reading comprehension is not needed!

and ummm..

... madden.

Yeah, wooooooooooooo! Oh wait, in the example I stated - PSP - not a single game is Madden. Crap! Better fix that quickly before I see the stunning hole in my argument!

Man, that was fun. We should do this again DopeyFish.

 

[Blimblim]

JSRF was spring afterwards

It was a launch title in Europe. We got this at launch :
Amped : Freestyle Snowboarding
Azurik
Batman Vengeance
Blood Wake
Dave Mirra Freestyle BMX 2
Fuzion Frenzy
Halo
Jet Set Radio Future
L'Odyssée de Munch
Mad Dash Racing
Max Payne
NBA Live 2002
NHL 2002
Project Gotham Racing
RalliSport Challenge
Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 3
Transworld Surf
Wreckless : The Yakuza Missions

Quite a lot of shit titles, but some quite stuff in there too.

 

[DopeyFish]

oh azurik and NHL 2002 and NBA inside drive were launch titles as well iirc.

edit: nm Azurik was 1.5 weeks later and NHL 2002 a month later.

Oh and amirox, I won't enlighten trolls with a thought out reply. Nice talking with you.

 

[Amir0x]

Oh and amirox, I won't enlighten trolls with a thought out reply. Nice talking with you.

Irony. Check. Backing out because he got owned. Check. Failure to comprehend even the slightest of what I said. Check.

Ah, another good day for Amir0x. Gloating: Check.

 

[Blimblim]

Rumour, speculation, speculation, likely, of course, speculation, speculation, etc, etc...

It's more than rumours and speculations for most of this list and a few more, but then you do not have to believe me. If all of these titles are confirmed as launch titles, will you agree that this is an impressive lineup then ?

 

[SantaC]

It's a lot better than nothing and nothing else.

eh ok Halo made it a solid lineup, but I think N64 with Mario64 gets the edge here.

 

[DopeyFish]

Neg. I didn't get owned.

In fact by backing out I owned you. omg the troll has just wasted 20 minutes of his time making a half comprehensible post with 20 too many quotations and dopey takes 2 seconds to brush it off and then go out and party.

Oh well. You probably have other people to see... other boards to troll. I won't keep you! bye!

 

[Blimblim]

eh ok Halo made it a solid lineup, but I think N64 with Mario64 gets the edge here.

I bought my Xbox at launch, and I couldn't care less for Halo (got it for free when MS slashed the price to 299 euros and gave us 2 games and a pad). And at that time I definitely was not the Xbox fanboy I may be now. Graphics and audio whore, yep. True 5.1 sound, great graphics, Amped, DOA3 and JSRF is what convinced me to buy a Xbox.

 

[lexi]

Sure, the bases are covered. And it'd even be a nice launch if you happen to be among the people who enjoy your bases covered with bird shit.

:lol I swear Amirox, you owe me about 2 or 3 Pepsi's at this stage.

 

[Amir0x]

It's more than rumours and speculations for most of this list and a few more, but then you do not have to believe me. If all of these titles are confirmed as launch titles, will you agree that this is an impressive lineup then ?

No, they're all rumours and speculation until the very day Microsoft or the companies developing said titles confirm it to be. If all the titles are confirmed as launch titles, I would agree that it's passing the realm of shitty and entering the "adequate" zone again. And adequate is just fine, really. That's why they call it "adequate." If Halo 3 (or another big Bungie offering) and perhaps a few titles in one or two of the missing major genres and at least 6-8 of the launch titles were actually good (you can cover genres and still have the games be shitty) then yes I would be impressed or at least I would consider it a good launch.

 

[shpankey]

I can understand people being hyped for, let's say Halo 3 . Or Soul Calibur 3. Or even Quake 4 (duh).

But a one year old PC port (HL2)? Without the mod community?

do you know how many millions of gamers there are that don't game on a pc? or even HAVE a pc for that matter? i dunno why this ^^ kind of logic keeps being repeated.

 

[Blimblim]

No, they're all rumours and speculation until the very day Microsoft or the companies developing said titles confirm it to be. If all the titles are confirmed as launch titles, I would agree that it's passing the realm of shitty and entering the "adequate" zone again. And adequate is just fine, really. That's why they call it "adequate." If Halo 3 (or another big Bungie offering) and perhaps a few titles in one or two of the missing major genres and at least 6-8 of the launch titles were actually good (you can cover genres and still have the games be shitty) then yes I would be impressed or at least I would consider it a good launch.

Ok, end of discussion for me too.

 

[Amir0x]

:lol I swear Amirox, you owe me about 2 or 3 Pepsi's at this stage.

Happy I can be of service. Your check is in the mail

Neg. I didn't get owned.

In fact by backing out I owned you. omg the troll has just wasted 20 minutes of his time making a half comprehensible post with 20 too many quotations and dopey takes 2 seconds to brush it off and then go out and party.

Oh well. You probably have other people to see... other boards to troll. I won't keep you! bye!

Oh, a party! By implication, this automatically makes you cooler than me! You also probably get laid more often!

Give Slurms a shout out for me!

Ok, end of discussion for me too.

All this and no she-bang! Anyway, I know it's your job or something to pimp Microsoft so if it's any help I am going to buy an Xbox 2 on day one

 

[android]

No, they're all rumours and speculation until the very day Microsoft or the companies developing said titles confirm it to be. If all the titles are confirmed as launch titles, I would agree that it's passing the realm of shitty and entering the "adequate" zone again. And adequate is just fine, really. That's why they call it "adequate." If Halo 3 (or another big Bungie offering) and perhaps a few titles in one or two of the missing major genres and at least 6-8 of the launch titles were actually good (you can cover genres and still have the games be shitty) then yes I would be impressed or at least I would consider it a good launch.

I'd be shocked if the PS3 had more than a adequate launch. Why? Because they don't need one.

 

[Hotsuma]

Well, I have more faith in Monolith than in Sega these days, that's for sure. I so long for the Dreamcast days where Sega was this incredible company releasing mindblowingly fun games almost every months. I still don't understand how they could go from this to what they are now.

Maybe they got discouraged when they put out PDO and found out that most Xbox owners didn't give a fuck? Or maybe it's when they put out Outrun 2 and Otogi 2 and found out that most Xbox owners still didn't give a fuck?

Even though most Xbox owners don't give a fuck, bring on Spikeout! Sega deserves props for not ditching the fans that purchased a Xbox just for JSRF/PDO/HOTD3. Heck, their Xbox releases have been top notch (for the most part). I'll consider getting a Xbox 360, but I want to find out what Sega's support of the system will be like. A new Phantasy Star Online/Universe would help my considerations some. :lol

 

[Amir0x]

I'd be shocked if the PS3 had more than a adequate launch. Why? Because they don't need one.

Why do people keep implying that if I am not pleased by the Xbox 2 lineup (or Xbox lineup) then I must be pleased with the PS3 lineup?

Shit, I hated the PSX lineup. I hated the PS2 lineup. And in all likelihood, I'll end up hating the PS3 lineup too.

 

[DopeyFish]

Why do people keep implying that if I am not pleased by the Xbox 2 lineup (or Xbox lineup) then I must be pleased with the PS3 lineup?

Shit, I hated the PSX lineup. I hated the PS2 lineup. And in all likelihood, I'll end up hating the PS3 lineup too.

because everything needs something to compare to.

Maybe in your mindset every game from every genre must launch on day one and be goty material. A little steep, hmm?

 

[Blimblim]

All this and no she-bang! Anyway, I know it's your job or something to pimp Microsoft so if it's any help I am going to buy an Xbox 2 on day one

So now I'm a viral marketer ? How nice, I'm sure MS France will be pleased to know they have some employees without any payroll. And I couldn't care less about you buying a Xbox 2 on day one, honestly with just an adequate lineup why would you buy the system ? Wait for the actual good games, the system may be cheaper by that time...

 

[lexi]

Why do people keep implying that if I am not pleased by the Xbox 2 lineup (or Xbox lineup) then I must be pleased with the PS3 lineup?

Shit, I hated the PSX lineup. I hated the PS2 lineup. And in all likelihood, I'll end up hating the PS3 lineup too.

You have to belong to a console camp. Stick with one and troll the other, it's that simple!

 

[Amir0x]

So now I'm a viral marketer ? How nice, I'm sure MS France will be pleased to know they have some employees without any payroll. And I couldn't care less about you buying a Xbox 2 on day one, honestly with just an adequate lineup why would you buy the system ? Wait for the actual good games, the system may be cheaper by that time...

Man, you take things so seriously! It was a joke! Ha-ha! I just said that because you were trying so earnestly to find a scenario with which I could be impressed with the Xbox 2 launch. It was a joke! Lighten up! Toast to better days. Cheers!

because everything needs something to compare to.

Maybe in your mindset every game from every genre must launch on day one and be goty material. A little steep, hmm?

That party must have not had enough alcohol to keep you there, huh?

Anyway, yes my standards are steep. I am the first to admit it. I have specific tastes and marketing and debates aside, at the end of the day I really only judge a launch based on how it meets my specific needs. If it doesn't, it's not a good launch to me. It's not out of the realm of possibility of being good. Now putting aside that I cannot judge it until I actually play it, the PSP launch has the possibility to be good with a fairly good balance of big games, franchise extensions, genres and original titles. A bit racing heavy, but if at least 10 of the 24 games turn out good then I would consider it good.

So there is my standard. If a lowly handheld could do it (and I don't know if they have done it yet to be clear), then I certainly hope that they could get something together for the Xbox 2 launch. According to Blimblim I needn't be worried, so here's to GDC and E3 and beyond

You have to belong to a console camp. Stick with one and troll the other, it's that simple

Eureka!

 

[android]

Why do people keep implying that if I am not pleased by the Xbox 2 lineup (or Xbox lineup) then I must be pleased with the PS3 lineup?

Shit, I hated the PSX lineup. I hated the PS2 lineup. And in all likelihood, I'll end up hating the PS3 lineup too.

Because you are critizing the Xenon launch before you even know it. What launch have you ever seen that makes you think MS, Sony or Nintendo will live up to your outrageously unreal expectations?

 

[shpankey]

Man Amir0x, you are one negative dude. Yeouch.

 

[Mr Mike]

I was under the impression that SC3 was in fact an exclusive for a format that *wasn't* XB2.
EGM using it's ass as a mouth again, then.

 

[Odnetnin]

I can't stand poster who dissect other people posts into bits and reply to all of it. Unimportant and boring. zzz

 

[Socreges]

Are you talking about Xbox 1? Because if that's the case, I guess our opinions differ so vastly that it's almost pointless to continue!

Which is vastly better?

 

[Amir0x]

Because you are critizing the Xenon launch before you even k"no"w it.

Actually, no. If you re-read the conversation, it started by me criticizing the rumour of what could be at launch. Like I said throughout this conversation, everything is rumours and speculation. Some people may have insider information (I have no doubt about this), but it's of no use to me. Therefore I'm only criticizing the scenarios received in this thread, not the Xbox 2 launch line-up itself since it has yet been announced. Similarly, as with everything, it could completely blow me out of the water when I play it. I leave plenty of room to be wrong.

What launch have you ever seen that makes you think MS, Sony or Nintendo will live up to your outrageously unreal expectations?

Man, nobody is reading anything I say. Did I say I've ever seen something that means MS, Sony or Nintendo could live up to my "outrageously unreal expectations"? No. In fact, I clearly said I haven't seen anything. I said the closest I can think of is PSP US Launch, and even that is not yet proven.

Man Amir0x, you are one negative dude. Yeouch.

I'm not negative, I just have high expectations for this hobby of mine. I love videogames, and I want nothing but for them to continue striving to be better. Personally, I have no problem with seeing videogames as an artform and I feel quality should reflect this opinion of mine.

 

[Blimblim]

Man, you take things so seriously! It was a joke! Ha-ha! I just said that because you were trying so earnestly to find a scenario with which I could be impressed with the Xbox 2 launch. It was a joke! Lighten up! Toast to better days. Cheers!

Ha ok, well english is not my first language so sometimes it's not easy to catch jokes without any smileys or stull like that.
Anyway, I'm not trying to find a scenario or anything, I just know almost as facts that most of the games you listed as rumours should (if everything goes as planned) make it for launch.

When did they annouce Call of Duty 2?

It's not been announced... yet. But CoD 2 is being developed simultaneously on both PC and Xbox 2. I think Xbox 2 is even used as the reference platform.

 

[Mrbob]

Elder Scroll IV may be ready for Xbox 360 launch too.

So you got sports, fighting, fps, adventure, racing, and rpg at launch. Not bad.