New Hellboy Movie Coming
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wesleyshark
Banned
I'm so happy with this 😁
Funky Papa
FUNK-Y-PPA-4
Re: purists wanting the movies to stick close to the original material.
My biggest concern with GDT's films is not that they strayed far from Mignola's work, but that everything new that he incorporated (besides the lore and the visuals) was vastly inferior and hardly in tone. Hellboy was more of a dumb brute than a composed detective with a brutish facade, while Liz... don't get me started with Liz. Del Toro ruined her character. So for me it's not as much about trying to stick close to the comics than it is about keeping what it works and improving from there.
The films were not that great back in the day and they can hardly survive a rewatch. They are some GDT's weakest work by far.
My biggest concern with GDT's films is not that they strayed far from Mignola's work, but that everything new that he incorporated (besides the lore and the visuals) was vastly inferior and hardly in tone. Hellboy was more of a dumb brute than a composed detective with a brutish facade, while Liz... don't get me started with Liz. Del Toro ruined her character. So for me it's not as much about trying to stick close to the comics than it is about keeping what it works and improving from there.
The films were not that great back in the day and they can hardly survive a rewatch. They are some GDT's weakest work by far.
Slackbladder
Member
Weakest in general or because they're far removed from the source material?
I have no idea what the source material is as I have never viewed it (and have no interest either) but I liked the films. Not great, but enjoyable.
sturgboski
Member
Yeah what the hell
I mean sure new Hellboy sounds great but Del Toro and Perlman being absent...
Funky Papa
FUNK-Y-PPA-4
In general.
Del Toro did an immense work with the visuals and he captured the crazy world of Hellboy better than I could ever imagine, but character development was lame as hell.
Hellboy was a dumb brute.
Liz was botched beyond salvation.
Abe fared better, but he wasn't very memorable.
Kraus was a flat line.
Kroenen was done dirty. He's so much more interesting in the comics than the whole nazi clockwork ninja (and despite this, he was probably the best character of the films by far).
And so on...
I cannot commend GDT enough for the monumental work he did with the aesthetics and the visual design and it's going to be extremely hard for Marshall to get close to that bar, but pretty much everything else about the original films was so forgetable.
I really, really wanted to bring myself to love the films, but I couldn't. Not because I just plain love the original books, but because they happen to tell better stories.
With that said, they weren't bad movies per se. They were just poor adaptations of a superior product.
Samurai G0SU
Member
im conflicted
moltonasty
Member
Damn. I loved Perlman in this role and GDT made an amazing world. I would've preferred HB3.
Funky Papa
FUNK-Y-PPA-4
About the plot, nazis and violence.
The thing about Hellboy's universe is that it's so dense, literally multidimensional and intertwined that Marshall could easily start with the Blood Queen and leave some hints about the nazis just to set the sequel(s). Every single bad dude in history has played a part in it, so nazis being in the background of all the fuckery would be a natural thing to do and it wouldn't be risky for a reboot.
And then we can have nazi cyborg gorillas duking it out in the next film.
As for violence, Hellboy is not very gory, but it's super dark at times. Giving Marshall the authority to bring Baba Yaga to the big screen may be borderline evil. That's the kind of stuff leaves mental scars.
The thing about Hellboy's universe is that it's so dense, literally multidimensional and intertwined that Marshall could easily start with the Blood Queen and leave some hints about the nazis just to set the sequel(s). Every single bad dude in history has played a part in it, so nazis being in the background of all the fuckery would be a natural thing to do and it wouldn't be risky for a reboot.
And then we can have nazi cyborg gorillas duking it out in the next film.
As for violence, Hellboy is not very gory, but it's super dark at times. Giving Marshall the authority to bring Baba Yaga to the big screen may be borderline evil. That's the kind of stuff leaves mental scars.
BobTheFork
Member
Well it doesn't matter. There's no way they make another Hellboy and I don't watch it to see and compare.
I'm genuinely interested in the differences in tone and style. I liked the previous movies but after the second one I wasn't sure if I wanted another in the same style and tone. They felt very much like standard hollywood movies. That's not really a bad thing but the Golden Army felt like going through the numbers. It looks great but the plot and progression of the movie were flat and you knew exactly how it would end after the first 30 minutes.
I don't care what the new movie is rated, just up the intensity and urgency a bit.
Far more upset about no Perleman than anything else. I'm ok with HB being a bit less jokey but Perlman can do that. He can pretty much do anything.
I'm genuinely interested in the differences in tone and style. I liked the previous movies but after the second one I wasn't sure if I wanted another in the same style and tone. They felt very much like standard hollywood movies. That's not really a bad thing but the Golden Army felt like going through the numbers. It looks great but the plot and progression of the movie were flat and you knew exactly how it would end after the first 30 minutes.
I don't care what the new movie is rated, just up the intensity and urgency a bit.
Far more upset about no Perleman than anything else. I'm ok with HB being a bit less jokey but Perlman can do that. He can pretty much do anything.
wesleyshark
Banned
He's most excellent in Stranger Things
Faynwulf
Member
Thank you. I never understood why people defend the movies like they are the best thing ever. Esecially with the fact that the comics are so much better.
Del Toro didn't do a good job bringing it to the big screen. Sure the visuals were great, but that's about it.
And Perlmans performance was just "meh".
I rather have someone else try their hand at it. And I hope Mignola will be a bit more involved.
More_Badass
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We've had a string of great directors getting paired with perfect projects. Fuller and American Gods. Eggers and Nosferatu. Villeneuve and Blade Runner/Dune. Marshall seems really suited for this
Nah it is worse than that.
brandonh83
Banned
Lol we have to point out it's rated R now.
Mr. Poolman
Member
Not like this...
KidGalactus
Member
Good calls on production side.
This will probably be a lot not accurate to the comic,but fewer people will like it.
I will probably like it.
This will probably be a lot not accurate to the comic,but fewer people will like it.
I will probably like it.
Navidson REC
Member
Seriously. Perlman is great but I'm willing to give Harbour a chance. His Jim Hopper is such a badass.
Skinny Pete
Banned
This whole project seem to have came out of nowhere. Regardless I am a fan of the source material and Harbour seems like a fine choice for the role. Color me excited.
I understand we have a lot of fans here for Del Toro, but Hellboy 2 had to of been one of the most vapid, aiming for the lowest bar possible, lazy, films I saw in theaters. It's gorgeous and had some of the most impressive creature designs. But I've also never been more bored watching a film. They were afraid to take any liberties with the story line or characters. The cardinal sin being, they also decide to spell it out for you in the first two scenes how this movie will proceed.
First scene is a gorgeous picture book like tale, about the unstoppable army being controlled by the crown. Next is the brother taking the crown, doing generic elf-fu, followed by both him and the sister getting hurt. It's not like you're guessing or using previous knowledge. They slap you across the face with how this movie will end. The Star Wars prequels where you even know the goddamn ending, had more tact than this. There is no surprise, no groundwork laid, it was just lazy, this is what will happen. Now let me go back to making a pretty film.
Marshall on the other hand, even though I thought Doomsday and Centurion had issues. His films have always been interesting, which is more than I can say about Hellboy 1 or 2. I think he's a solid choice for what you said. It will be done, timely, on budget. And he does bring a style. He can do action, horror, and humor all at once.
I do like the posters in this thread who seem to think that Millennium Films are going to give them the definitive and faithful adaptation of Hellboy that they've been waiting for.
Go and have a look at Millennium Films output and see what you're potentially letting yourselves in for.
But who knows, it might be good.
Go and have a look at Millennium Films output and see what you're potentially letting yourselves in for.
But who knows, it might be good.
Millennium Films's previous work brought in good money. Mindless action movies but decent budgets and box office, meaning that they should have the cash for a proper Hellboy adaptation. Combine that with a good director, main actor and Mignola on the script - good enough for cautious optimism.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Millennium Films hired Neil Marshall and David Harbour to make a Hellboy film.
I'd imagine they're going to let them do that.
Don't know why they wouldn't.
I'd imagine they're going to let them do that.
Don't know why they wouldn't.
Messofanego
Banned
Seriously, Del Toro fans need to check up on Dog Soldiers and The Descent. Neil Marshall doesn't flinch.
Funky Papa
FUNK-Y-PPA-4
Marshall, Harbour and Mignola are involved. Millennium Films may suck, but this is probably a prestige project for them, maybe a way to dip their toes into the superhero craze. You don't hire people like Marshall and Mignola if you are not planning to let them do their thing.
The Deadline article stated that they were still in the process of acquiring the rights to this property so their involvement could be part of some larger play for the rights. But as you say maybe this is Avi trying to get into the superhero business.
I mean, as I said this could turn out to be good but when you're dealing with Millennium , who finance their films and sell them to indie distributors like Lionsgate do, they are known for playing fast and loose with their projects.
I'd be surprised, given how the previous two films flopped, if this project has anything near an event film budget. Can one do a Hellboy film for under $50m?
JasonUresti
Member
Strange then that Hellboy existed long before GDT's film.
Del Toro was 0 for 2 on successfully translating the tone and atmosphere of Mike Mignola's work to the screen. Time to let someone else give it a go.
Funky Papa
FUNK-Y-PPA-4
That's probably where Marshall comes in. He has a well earned reputation for being stupid good with small budgets. Doomsday was made on a paltry $15-20 million budget and it looks a hell of a lot more expensive.
I don't think his movie will look as pretty as Del Toro's, but the man knows how to dance around a spreadsheet.
Edit: Wikipedia tells me that The Golden Army was considerably expensive ($88 million), but the first Hellboy had a budget of $66 million. That's basically fuck you money for Marshall. He can probably do this for $30 million and throw a bag of crisps while at it.
Nobody is saying that. We just are hoping for a more faithful adaptation than del Toro's, which is not far fetched at all.
phazedplasma
Member
Boom, this guy is on point.
Can't wait for this, best movie news I've heard in a while.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Curt Baboon
Member
Huh? If anything, people might actually get a chance to discover what makes the books so special now that Mignola is supposedly going to be more involved in the script and Del Toro is out.
The films were entertaining, but they are very far from what Hellboy actually is; at least tonally. They were superhero films through and through, while Hellboy is...well, it can be anything. Pulp, horror, comedy, fantasy epics, character study, folk tales, you name it.
The book is insanely well researched when it comes to world folklore and literature, and all the disparate parts work so well because they are under the umbrella of Mignola's style and voice.
Del Toro took these things and used them to dress up something fun but decidedly more standard. The films are offbeat, sure; but not nearly in the way the comic is. Even Hellboy seems like an entirely different character.