Agreed. Ant arc drags on and on and is easily the worst part of the show .
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Agreed. Ant arc drags on and on and is easily the worst part of the show .
MetroidPrimeRib
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You don't fight the calamities, like you don't fight an Earthquake, Volcano eruption or a Tornado.
Allonym
There should be more tampons in gaming
I'm sure in time, some "S" ranked individuals will appear that call the dark continent their home and the calamities will be considered minor nuisances to them...
MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
Doesn't sound like a very :Togashi thing to do to me.
MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
That was pretty much all Netero did. He was the classic ultra powerful hermit who trained in seclusion. At his peak he would've been able to match Mereum before the blast, perhaps. When he said that he was no longer the strongest human alive to Morel at the start of the invasion he was probably just being humble. Even in his old age he was a monster. He put the fear of God into Mereum.
Aaronology
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I was on track to declare HxH one of the best shounen anime I'd seen before the Ant arc came out of nowhere and completely changed my opinion of the show. So disappointing.
Did you finish it?
MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
Ant Arc is amazing. I can understand the dislike of certain moments due to how slow everything moves and the focus on too many side characters, but the feeling of catharsis is almost erotic in how satisfying it is.
If you look up Catharsis in the dictionary you should find a picture of Gon-san.
If you look up Catharsis in the dictionary you should find a picture of Gon-san.
I don't think he was being humble. Its hard to imagine that he was being humble after seeing what he could do, but I get the feeling that there are more powerful people than him. I imagine Ging must be a monster when he gets serious. Netero's son is probably pretty legit as well.
MetroidPrimeRib
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That's true. Of the people we know of, Ging, Beyond and the Dragon guy in the Zodiacs must be close to him. We know Netero had a great amount of respect for Ging as a fighter and master of Nen.
I still don't think they could've beaten Netero had he gotten serious, which he wouldn't.
Aaronology
Member
Yes. The arc is where HxH went from being "holy shit this is amazing" to just another shounen. Togashi's writing was the only saving grace, but I hate power creep and that's all the arc was.
Ultra Numb
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While the ant arc does have some pacing problems, the arcs highs in terms of writing is in a league of its own when it comes to Shounen
While I agree that the ant arc drags in the middle, but I have to say, it has the most satisfying climax in the anime. Which makes it all worth it imo.
Pacing issues are the only criticism I have of the ant arc. Unfortunately, the pacing can get downright terrible at times. If it was more succinct, then I'm sure it would have been GOAT.
Acerac
Banned
You should probably watch the original version then.
Exact opposite for me.
Until the Ant Arc the show was simply one of the best, with the Ant Arc it reached a level I'd never seen in any other show before or since.
It's like every other arc was just preparation for that one.
MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
Ant Arc is far from being typical shonen faire. Yeah it has power levels being upped and the villain is just Cell but its got so much pathos and a real deep examination into the characters of the villain and the protagonist and how you slowly over the course of the arc begin to see the villain become better (or more human) and the hero become more evil (or more monstrous.) Gon is willing to murder an innocent kid just to satiate his revenge and Mereum is willing to die if it means that weak and blind kid can live.
The main villain isn't even defeated in a fight. Think of how many shonen where the main villain of the extremely long arc dies content and in peace and not in a gigantic knock out brawl.
The main villain isn't even defeated in a fight. Think of how many shonen where the main villain of the extremely long arc dies content and in peace and not in a gigantic knock out brawl.
This is how I feel. The Chimera Ant Arc cemented Hunter x Hunter as the best shounen series of all time.
There's no way to say it better.
In any other anime, Adult Gon would have fought and defeated the King somehow.
Totally agreed, it went from a fun show to one of my favourite shows ever, that Gon fight with
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MetroidPrimeRib
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HxH is also a series that splits up its cast all the goddamn time. The five main characters (I count Hisoka as the fifth MC personally. Unofficially part of the group but more important then Leorio) are most of the time off doing their own thing, aside from Gon and Killua and now even those two have split.
Imagine if in One Piece the 9 crew members just disappeared for years on end to go do their own thing. That would not happen. Sometimes they do get split up for long periods of time, but its never of their own volition. Except Usopp once.
Imagine if in One Piece the 9 crew members just disappeared for years on end to go do their own thing. That would not happen. Sometimes they do get split up for long periods of time, but its never of their own volition. Except Usopp once.
Kurapika's leveraging a combination of genetic hacks and Nen restrictions to put a multiplier on his power level.
Riposte
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Isn't that happening in One Piece right now?
The nen restrictions don't seem to be restricting him much. He pretty much got an anti-Spider tech for free and doesn't seem to be all that gimped vs. non-Spiders. :\
Dude was even going around threatening Zodiacs. I think he is getting a little too big for his britches.
Don't worry. He'll probably bite the bullet in the Dark Continent.
Agreed. All the excessive narration was like a ball and chain around the arc. It could be almost infuriating at times. Yes, I see what's happening on the screen - why do you constantly feel the need to turn this into a bizarre power point presentation?
Overall, I love the ant arc, and I have a lot of appreciation for what a unique take on the genre it is. But man, it eventually reached the point that hearing the narrator's monotone voice would make my blood start to boil, and I can't remember the last time a show frustrated me so much. I can understand some people disliking it, and I envy those who weren't as sensitive to the pacing slowdown.
CoffeeJanitor
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you cant brush off a boatload of bloat by having a good ending
i would skip that arc completely if i had the chance to start over
Allonym
There should be more tampons in gaming
Why not? YuYu Hakusho had incessantly bigger baddies following the preceding one... Rando > Gouki > Saint Beasts > Toguro > Sensui > Yokai realm Tournament. I think HxH mimics YuYu a fair bit so I wouldn't be surprised if this were the case but hey these are only opinions, we'll see who's right in the coming months/years
Do you mean the bullshit where Gon ages by 20 years to go super sayan?
...nope
And then Kite being reborn into a girl?
...nope
The ant arc is what turns HxH from a great show into a masterpiece in animation history. Just exquisite storytelling. Even something like Gon's powerup that came out of nowhere had severe consequences. Heck, there is an entire pseudo arc trying to prevent him from dying because of that momentary powerup. Beautifully done. I just feel bad for people who find themselves unable to appreciate this for variety for reasons. It's tragic.
Dark_castle
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Chimera Ant arc is fantastic. Though it does have pacing issue in the middle and the narrator wouldn't shut the hell up. Once it picks up, it's one hell of a ride. I especially love how it's a secret love story disguised as a dark, fighting shounen arc upon the conclusion. Yes there are a lot of dialogue, perhaps a little too much, but the pay off is so great and satisfying when you made it to the end and knew the characters so well and came to see what happens to them in the end.
CoffeeJanitor
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I feel like there are double standards for this arc when compared to other 'great' shows in other TV genres.
For instance, no one would call a season of The Wire or BB incredible or groundbreaking if episodes 1-12 of 15 were all bloated slogs, even if the last 3 were great
I'll be fully honest that I skipped the last 15-20 of ant arc tho. Couldn't take it lol
For instance, no one would call a season of The Wire or BB incredible or groundbreaking if episodes 1-12 of 15 were all bloated slogs, even if the last 3 were great
I'll be fully honest that I skipped the last 15-20 of ant arc tho. Couldn't take it lol
TropicalFish
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I disliked the Greed Island arc the most out of the entire series tbh, Biscuit's badassery nonwithstanding.
Ant arc was great.
Ant arc was great.
So why should we listen to your opinion on the arc if you didn't watch like an entire third of the arc including the entire conclusion? That's like me bitching about the pacing in game of Thrones and going,"well I didn't watch the last season but I'm still going to critique it!"
nelsonroyale
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? Mureaum was very impressed by his strength, but in no way feared him. It was basically shown that there was an unbridgeable gulf between them. The King was special, he was a god like being given his nen power. Given enough time and consumption, he could have become unbeatable. He is the equivalent of Alpha Go. He was very young when he fought Netero and still overwhelmed him with no special techniques...
I also think that there are some more powerful characters around than Netero. Don Freecs will likely be one if he is still around, given that he apparently made the Dark Continent his home and seems to be the only one who not only went there, but stayed for a long period of time.
Actually I do believe the King felt fear from Netero when he thought he had him beaten after removing his arm and leg but still had him acting defiant and of course the evil old man laugh even after he has used Zero Hand definitely made the King pause and I believe the narrator even states it was the first time he'd been truly afraid.
No one thinks Hisoka might be really powerful, and we have yet to see his strength?