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[AstroLad]

I didn't swallow anyone's "bait." That's how I've felt about the PSP ever since it was first revealed. It's going to overtake the DS and Nintendo's dominance of the handhels market. Do I really care? No, that's why I bought a DS and will also be buying a PSP. It doesn't really matter to me which is the better system so long as good games are available on both.

I agree, handheld market doesn't mean shit to me as someone who likes to play games. It makes a lot of money, mostly from little kiddies, and most of the games generally suck even more than on consoles. It's not like, when I'm thinking about where companies are going and what they're going to provide to gamers that will really push the envelope and be quality, I'm thinking about what 5-year old game I want to see on X handheld. It is far more significant from a business standpoint though, obviously.

 

[Virgin Wii]

Gamespot has new movies up of RRDS in action.

Looks nice considering the hardware.

 

[mumu]

I'm sure anyone who'll purchase the game will know a little about the gameplay before hand.

I'm not sure about that. SONY marketing will make em buy it because of the MGS name no matter what, watch

 

[snapty00]

If Nintendo's smart, it'll quickly get some type of Super FX-like chip in its games to get DS games looking more like PSP games. Otherwise, the DS is going to be steamrolled.

Lyte is right in that people who aren't even usually into handheld gaming are seriously considering a PSP already, without even having touched the system. PSP is going to be huge and is going to dramatically cut down on Nintendo's handheld sales, whether Nintendo wishes to acknowledge this fact or not.

 

[mumu]

Lyte is right in that people who aren't even usually into handheld gaming are seriously considering a PSP already, without even having touched the system.

It's interesting that people who aren't even into any type of gaming are seriously considering the DS, even after having touched it! All the steamroll or crush talks only makes me laugh, no matter what side it comes from.

 

[XS+]

Gamespot has new movies up of RRDS in action.

Looks nice considering the hardware.

Framerate looks good. Other than that, however, it looks horrible. RR Type 4 looks better than this. Whoever was playing it seemed to have no trouble controlling it with the touchpad.

Anyway, the DS is just a gimmicky stopgap Nintendo has lobbed in an effort to stifle the PSP's momemtum. It won't work. Once people see the disparity, particularly in the launch titles, interest in the DS will taper off fast. PSP is the future of handhelds. I think it'll become more popular than the PS2.

 

[neptunes]

I'm not sure about that. SONY marketing will make em buy it because of the MGS name no matter what, watch

Jeezus, are you telling me people will buy the game without knowing a single thing about the gameplay?

The game's nature was revealed at E3, TGS, Famitsu, and even a link on sony's pre-order page.

 

[Virgin Wii]

I think you should check on the definition of "fact", snapty.

The PSPs biggest problem isn't Nintendo. It's the question of whether Joe Casual (PSPs target audience) would WANT to be walking down the street with a portable gaming system no matter how cool it is. Casual gamers don't play a lot of games INSIDE the house. What's more, when they're out of the house, they are usually with friends or talking on their cell phone. They have stuff to do, unlike most geeks who, when not playing games, have this huge void in their lives. Casuals don't have that void.

 

[Doc Holliday]

see what 3d has done?....behold...portable Graphics whores!

 

[Lyte Edge]

It's interesting that people who aren't even into any type of gaming are seriously considering the DS, even after having touched it! All the steamroll or crush talks only makes me laugh, no matter what side it comes from.

There isn't any bias when I say that PSP is going to be the far more popular handheld. If you don't think that the PSP is going to do for Sony in the handheld market what the Playstation did for the them in the console market, you're kidding yourself. There is a certain image with the Playstation brand that people latch onto, and it's going to carry over to the PSP. Nintendo is marketting the DS as a handheld gaming system. The PSP is being marketted as an "all-in-one" device that will play movies, music, and games. There definitely is the issue on whether or not this will finally get "casuals" to put down their cell phones and pick up PSPs, but if there's one brand that can do it, it's Playstation.

The PSP is going to be more successful, but at the same time, I think Nintendo will come up with some awesome games to combat it.

 

[Virgin Wii]

Lyte Edge:

Ok, so it's gone from "I believe PSP will be more successful" to "there is absolutely no denying that PSP will be far more popular". That's interesting, especially considering that the Nintendo brand is huge in the handheld industry.

We'll see though. Personally, I do hope PSP wins.

 

[Kon Tiki]

How come this thread is longer than the PSP RR thread? Does noone care about good games anymore?

 

[Doc Holliday]

I still think PSP would have had trouble beating the GB SP, let alone a more powerful handheld with an already huge library games. Also if the sony brand was so big, why is Ipod destroying anything sony has?

 

[mumu]

I never said the PSP isn't gonna be succesful, but steamroll Nintendo in the handheld area? I'd bet money that the GBA alone will keep outselling the PSP for a while. If anything the PSP will make the GBA2 come out faster, so more power to it.

And i think the multiness of the PSP (movies, music, games) could actually turn out to be a weakness, they are trying to conquer too many markets. One should never understimate SONY, but i doubt it.

 

[Lyte Edge]

Of course the SP will dominate for a while; it's far cheaper and has head a huge headstart. But this isn't about the GBA vs. the PSP, it's about the DS vs. the PSP.

Lyte Edge:

Ok, so it's gone from "I believe PSP will be more successful" to "there is absolutely no denying that PSP will be far more popular". That's interesting, especially considering that the Nintendo brand is huge in the handheld industry.

We'll see though. Personally, I do hope PSP wins.

You're right, it is true that the Nintendo brand is huge in the handheld industry. And it's also true that they haven't had any real competition for almost a decade, when Sega pulled out with the Game Gear.

The Playstation overtook the "superior" Nintendo 64. The Playstation 2 clearly dominates the console market today. The PSP is going to beat out the DS with its image alone, never mind anything else.

This is actually going to be good for the handheld market, since the competition should hopefully lead to some great games.

 

[mrklaw]

just watched the intro on gamespot. Here is a brief summary which also neatly encapsulates the difference between the DS and PSP versions:

PSP - Reiko

DS - R Racing Evolution skanky ho


I just hope to goodness that the graphics look better on a teeny LCD screen. Cause they look sub PS1 in that video. Considering how good some of the 3D got on GBA, Nintendo don't seem to have move forward very much even with dedicated hardware.

 

[Virgin Wii]

You're right, it is true that the Nintendo brand is huge in the handheld industry. And it's also true that they haven't had any real competition for almost a decade, when Sega pulled out with the Game Gear.

The Playstation overtook the "superior" Nintendo 64. The Playstation 2 clearly dominates the console market today. The PSP is going to beat out the DS with its image alone, never mind anything else.

This is actually going to be good for the handheld market, since the competition should hopefully lead to some great games.

I'm not so sure that the people who buy PS2 will be people interested in buying a portable system, though. I think the battle will be fought by 2 pre-existing demographics: hardcore gamers and kiddies. I think the hardcore gamers will flock to the PSP, while the kids will go to the DS. And since hardcore gamers are hardcore, I think a lot of them who buy PSP will also buy DS.

PSP's success depends on how the casuals percieve it. But I have a lot of casual friends, and personally, I can't see any of them sitting in a theater or a diner playing a PSP. I once got ragged on for pulling out a GBA SP in a car. :lol

 

[mumu]

The Playstation overtook the "superior" Nintendo 64.

I don't think the N64 really was superior. It had better graphics (not everyone agrees here) and better controls, and some of the best games ever, but only a few of them. PSX had FMVs, prerendered backgrounds, CD music and loads of games. Third party galore. I think the main reason why PSX vs. N64 and PSP vs. DS cannot be compared though is because Nintendo was totally caught off guard, they were unprepared. They thought they are untouchable.

I'm pretty sure a few people at Nintendo still think they're untouchable in the handheld area, but Itawa knows what's going on. They already learned their lesson once.

 

[evilromero]

It doesn't matter what it reminds you of; RRDS is a port of RR64. RR64 sucks hairy donkey ass, so that's primarily the reason for all the hate.

But of course there's also the graphic whores who can't go a day without comparing this game to Ridge Racers (PSP) and there's also the people who generally just hate anything about Ridge Racer.

But by and large, it's because this is a port of RR64. And RR64 sucks. ~Fin~

Actually I knew it was a port of RR64 since its inception. But that doesn't mean it can't remind me of the older RR games. If you remember the series started to go downhill after Rage Racer. The only exception was the awesome music in R4.

And I really enjoyed RR64. I bought it on launch and played the hell out of it with my friends. It has some wonderful locales and even better music. It's certainly better than RV and Evolution.

 

[Pimpwerx]

I never said the PSP isn't gonna be succesful, but steamroll Nintendo in the handheld area? I'd bet money that the GBA alone will keep outselling the PSP for a while. If anything the PSP will make the GBA2 come out faster, so more power to it.

And i think the multiness of the PSP (movies, music, games) could actually turn out to be a weakness, they are trying to conquer too many markets. One should never understimate SONY, but i doubt it.

1. If the GBA2 "comes out faster" how is that good? Will Joe Gamer know about Nintendo's retarded three pillar theory, or will they see the GBA2 as just another Nintendo handheld, basically a step up from the DS? I don't think the casual gamer will make a distinction between the two. The DS has come out kinda close to the GBA, the GBA2 has to be a couple years off without making the DS look like a lame 32X-ish stopgap. Sega has a bit of experience in that area of incompetance. Two years is too many when you figure Sony'll have production running in full, and then what's Nintendo gonna do to counter? The GBA2 is a fanboy pipedream at this point. It's PSP against DS. Will the 2M unit headstart (by March next year) be enough for Nintendo to hold onto the market? We'll see. If they have to hope for GBA2, then they've already lost.

2. Where's the argument come from that the PSP is trying to conquer too many markets? It's handheld gaming device. That's first and foremost. It will not be marketed as anything else. It will be gaming first, with the option to play movies and music. It's clearly the most profitable market, and that big screen isn't there to run a visualizer screensaver. It's there for gaming. All the hardware put in the box is for gaming first. If it conquers any other markets, it will be by default. People forget that the PS2 is most likely the best-selling DVD player by a country mile. I doubt anything is even close to its range. When it came out there weren't many players on the market, like 8-18M, somewhere in there IIRC. But no one claims Sony is targeting the DVD player market...at least not anymore. Only the DC fanboys were claiming that back in the day, hoping it would stave off the impending doom. Whether you like Nintendo or not, you have to admit they're in a bit of a pickle. They've never faced competition of this magnitude. The Playstation brand has become synonymous with gaming, that's significant leverage. PEACE.

 

[etiolate]

I remember the n64 version looking better.

Wait nevermind. Maybe they both look better in motion. I don't remember RR64 looking like that.

 

[Redbeard]

This is closer to what it looked like.

 

[fse]

PSP RR> RR DS < RR64

 

[mumu]

Where's the argument come from that the PSP is trying to conquer too many markets? It's handheld gaming device.

That's why SONY calls it the Walkman of the 21st century eh? And it's clear as a summer day that they're going after the iPod crowd.

Whether you like Nintendo or not, you have to admit they're in a bit of a pickle. They've never faced competition of this magnitude. The Playstation brand has become synonymous with gaming, that's significant leverage.

I like Nintendo, and they're in a pickle here There is a difference between being in a pickle and being steamrolled.

 

[Pimpwerx]

That's why SONY calls it the Walkman of the 21st century eh? And it's clear as a summer day that they're going after the iPod crowd.


I like Nintendo, and they're in a pickle here There is a difference between being in a pickle and being steamrolled.

The Walkman also played tapes. Maybe Sony is actually making the PSP tape-based. :ultramegarolleyesjustformumu: Seriously, what difference does Sony's PR make? They said playing the PS2 was akin to jacking into the Matrix. Besides trying to ride the cheap heat of the Matrix flicks, it's just nice-sounding fluff. The PSP could be the Walkman of the future for all anyone cares, or it could just be the next dominant handheld gaming device. If you think Sony's making a serious stab at the iPod crowd, then you don't respect them enough. The PSP is even lamer than Minidisc in that regard. At least MDs used their main medium for music storage. Sony's making 1.8GB ROMs for crying out loud. Why not just make them RW and grab Apple by the short and curlies?

Other than that, the only streamrolling I see is that Sony is the 500lb gorilla in this industry, and Nintendo is the shrinking violet. They may be making money, but MS has way more and it's not buying them any marketshare yet. Everyone's amaze at what they did with the Xbox, but it still got clobbered by the PS2. The PSP represents the threat of equal clobbering coming to the handheld market, and guess what's propping up Nintendo's earnings? IMO, this is the decider right here. If Nintendo gets owned badly, they'll never recover. They'll burn through their reserves and fall off the map ala Sega.

This is good though. This will force Nintendo to finally adapt. They can't keep this lame port machine up for long, and now they'll have to bend over backwards for developers, b/c their own franchises won't carry any systems anymore. And if they do have to make a new system, it should actually be progressive, and competitive technologically. They can't hope to merely match or edge the PSP, they'll have to go for the kill. The DS vs. PSP represents Custer's last stand IMO. If Nintendo emerges on top with the DS, they'll come out even stronger IMO. Could rejuvenate the company. If they lose, it's the beginning of the end. I personally think a SNES-like situation is the very least they should hope for. Don't make it any closer than that. Sony doesn't have it easy either, but their success with the PS1 and PS2 has made the job a lot easier than it would have been in the past. PEACE.

 

[mumu]

They can't keep this lame port machine up for long.

Just FYI, the PSP probably has more ports (~10) in their launch titles (December) than the DS I can't really discuss with you if you don't have the facts straight. You also ignore that SONY is very much going after the iPod crowd, looking at SONY's statements and their advertising should really tell you that. PEACE

 

[jiggle]

Just FYI, the PSP probably has more ports (~10) in their launch titles (December) than the DS

Please list.

 

[mumu]

Mahjong Taikai (KOEI) - PS2
Mahjong Fight Club (Konami) - Arcade
Everybody's Golf Portable (SCE) - PS2
Vampire Chronicle: The Chaos Tower (Capcom) - Arcade/DC
Dynasty Warriors (KOEI) - PS2
Kollon (Cyberfront) - Arcade
Kotoba no Puzzle Mojipittan Daijiten (Namco) - PS2/GBA
Puzzle Bobble Pocket (Taito) - PS2
Puyo Puyo Fever (SEGA) - PS2/GC/XBOX/GBA

I was expecting someone to ask that

 

[Miburou]

I don't think Minna no Golf is a port, it's rather a new entry in the series that happens to be on the PSP. Probably some of the other games you listed are like that, too.

 

[mumu]

6 of them are straight ports for sure, they are merely puzzle games, some of them have some crap added though to fill the widescren. Also what makes a port. Is Mario DS a port? Then surely that golf game is as well. Vampire Chronicle is also a port.

 

[Miburou]

6 of them are straight ports for sure, they are merely puzzle games. Also what makes a port. Is Mario DS a port? Then surely that golf game is as well. Vampire Chronicle is a 1:1 port.

So every new entry in a series is just a port? Is Mario Kart DD a port?

And actually Vampire Chronicles isn't a "1:1 port" AFAIK. It's more of a compilation.

And there's a difference between an arcade port, which most people have probably never ever seen, and a port from a different platform.

 

[mumu]

I think VC is even an arcade perfect port. Even it's a compilation, it's still a port. Dynasty Warriors is likely no port, but it's no fresh material either. I dunno about that Golf game, but i doubt it's much different from the PS2 one. I really don't care, just showing that Nintendo is not the only one guilty of this. It just tires me.

Oh and one could argue that Ridge Racer is not fresh material either Just kidding. Still do you consider Mario DS a port? What exactly makes a port?

 

[Miburou]

I think VC is even an arcade perfect port. Even it's a compilation, it's still a port. Dynasty Warriors is likely no port, but it's no fresh material either. I dunno about that Golf game, but i doubt it's much different from the PS2 one. I really don't care, just showing that Nintendo is not the only one guilty of this. It just tires me.

Oh and one could argue that Ridge Racer is not fresh material either Just kidding. Still do you consider Mario DS a port? What exactly makes a port?

I don't really know about Mario DS, but I'd say if a game reuses 50% or more, then it is a port, albeit an enhanced port. The exception would be sports games, since by their nature they recycle a lot of stuff. So unless Minna no Golf PSP has the exact same courses, characters, and moves from MnG4, I wouldn't consider it a port anymore than I consider Madden 2005 a port of Madden 2004.

And RR PSP isn't really fresh material, since at least some of the tracks are refinements of tracks from previous RR games. But every entry in the RR series seems like a variation of the same theme, pretty much like many other racing games, so it's OK.

 

[mrklaw]

Any Apple comments are crazy as Sony aren't aiming at them. They have a HD player to go up against apple (not very successfully). This is a gaming machine. However you might also use it as a flash memory player if you want to.

And come back to me when Apple can actually take advantage of their popularity by making enough units.