New study suggests that fast food post workout is just as effective as supplements

Status
Not open for further replies.
http://www.realclearscience.com/jou...ll_as_supplements_after_a_workout_109157.html

Link to study

After a strenuous workout, top athletes and everyday exercisers regularly reach for energy bars, protein powders, or recovery drinks, thinking that these dietary supplements provide boosts that normal foods do not.

A new study, however, finds that -- when it comes to exercise recovery -- supplements are no better than fast food.

The multi-billion-dollar sports supplement industry is a true behemoth. With catchy taglines and sparkling testimonials from top athletes, they've convinced millions of people to use their products. University of Montana graduate student Michael Cramer decided to find out if their claims of superiority stood the test of science, so he pit some of the most oft-used supplements, including Gatorade, PowerBar, and Cytomax "energy" powder, against a few of McDonald's most vaunted contenders: hotcakes, hash browns, hamburgers, and fries.

Cramer invited eleven highly trained male athletes to take part in the study. After fasting for 12 hours, all of them completed a rigorous 90-minute endurance workout. Subsequently, subjects assigned to fast food were given hotcakes, orange juice, and a hash brown, while subjects assigned to supplements were given Gatorade, organic peanut butter, and Cliff Shot Bloks. Two hours later, the fast food group consumed a hamburger, Coke, and fries, while the supplement group scarfed down Cytomax powder and PowerBar products. Two hours after their second meal, all subjects rode 20 kilometers on a stationary bike as quickly as possible.

Both the supplement and fast food meals were roughly equal in calories, carbohydrate, and protein, though, as one might guess, the fast food had much more sodium and slightly more fat. At various times, subjects underwent muscle biopsies and blood work to gauge blood glucose, lipid, insulin, and glycogen levels.

A week later, subjects came back into the lab and repeated the experiment, this time eating the diet they weren't assigned to previously.

Upon analysis, Cramer found that athletes completed the time trial just as quickly after eating fast food compared to supplements. Moreover, levels of muscle glycogen were actually higher for the fast food (FF) group than for the supplement (SS) group, though the difference was not statistically significant. Glycogen is a key energy source in muscles that's primarily replenished through carbohydrate intake. Think of glycogen as your muscles' fuel; when it's depleted, exercise performance suffers. Furthermore, Cramer found no difference in insulin, glucose, cholesterol, or triglyceride levels. Subjects reported equal amounts of stomach discomfort.

Though the research was solidly controlled, the findings are limited by the small number of subjects. Moreover, the results may not apply to less-trained individuals.

While it probably isn't wise to completely replace your post-workout supplements with chicken nuggets and cheeseburgers, there's little doubt that many exercise supplements aren't all they're cracked up to be. To the body, a simple carbohydrate is a simple carbohydrate, whether it comes from a pricey powder or a french fry. So if you're faced with choosing a Muscle Milk or a Happy Meal after a workout, don't feel bad about dining at the Golden Arches every once in a while.

Damn straight. pwo Chick-fil-a all day baybee.

MyTIKID.jpg
 
Whenever I do a lot of cycling in one day I usually end up at McDonald's, but that's largely because there are few things in the world with less credibility than the supplement industry.
 
I won't lie: when I was doing P90X, I bought into the hype and started drinking those disgusting recovery drinks (that come in powder form). I didn't do it for long because, well, they were disgusting.

These days, whenever I finish working out (or playing a sport), I just make a sandwich or get something from McDonald's.
 
There are a lot of valid supplements and I don't think it is fair to say that they are all a scam. They fall under a wide arrange of items. Creatine, whey, protein powders, BCAAs, pre workouts, beta alanine, etc. All of them have a legit purpose and work but at the end of the day, they are called supplements for a reason. They are to assist you and isn't the end all be all. I feel like a lot of people get the wrong idea when it comes to this stuff.
 
Except the fat that there is much more fat and sodium in fast food, which is a pretty huge exception.
 
It's so funny how much and how many people spend on these supplements. You're getting bigger because you're working out and eating more/better. So many of the supplements are psychological for people, but they praise them.
 
To be fair- the supplements they gave them seem pure shit- IE powerbars aren't that far off from snickers.

On the other hand, I thought it was pretty common knowledge that food trumps any supplement, and that post-workout meals are the time to binge on sugary/carby shit.

People are going to read this outcome and think its shocking or crazy, but it doesn't change anything really.
 
Honestly nutritional studies with limited sample sizes are about as worthwhile as seeing a soothsayer and asking how long you are going to live.
 
Except the fat that there is much more fat and sodium in fast food, which is a pretty huge exception.

Both the supplement and fast food meals were roughly equal in calories, carbohydrate, and protein, though, as one might guess, the fast food had much more sodium and slightly more fat.

They noted that, although as the point out the fat wasn't "much more" but "slightly more". What that translates to in actual numbers I suspect will be in the fully study write up.
 
They noted that, although as the point out the fat wasn't "much more" but "slightly more". What that translates to in actual numbers I suspect will be in the fully study write up.

The "supplement" group were given "Gatorade, organic peanut butter, and Cliff Shot Bloks" post-workout. That stuff is loaded with sugars and fat (from the peanut butter). Not sure this changes much.
 
The problem is everyone thinks of supplements and food as these magic potions that have distinct effects. "Protein powder builds muscle!" "Cinnamon burns fat!" It's your entire diet and the context of your lifestyle that matters.

I take protein powder because I find it difficult and more costly to eat ~150-200 grams of protein from food each day. A supplement is exactly that, something that supplements your diet.
 
The "supplement" group were given "Gatorade, organic peanut butter, and Cliff Shot Bloks" post-workout. That stuff is loaded with sugars and fat (from the peanut butter). Not sure this changes much.
Yeah, I didn't think this was a crazy revelation or anything. I was just pointing out that the OP addressed the sodium and fat content, and that fat content wasn't considered "much more".
 
There are a lot of valid supplements and I don't think it is fair to say that they are all a scam. They fall under a wide arrange of items. Creatine, whey, protein powders, BCAAs, pre workouts, beta alanine, etc. All of them have a legit purpose and work but at the end of the day, they are called supplements for a reason. They are to assist you and isn't the end all be all. I feel like a lot of people get the wrong idea when it comes to this stuff.
I agree with you.

Moreover, the study says that the meals had the same amount of protein/fat/carbs as the supplements. So you would have to know and balance the amount neutrinos in the food you're getting from a fast food restaurant. Like, you can't replace protein shake for a slice of pizza or a meal from McDonalds as they probably won't have the same amount of protein and would have high fat content. Gotta know what's in your food. Going the supplements route seems just easier. Though I feel real food would always be a better option, at least for enthusiasts and newcomers.
 
Of course real food is better than a supplement.

But this is not the way to go for people working out for weight loss purposes or whatever. If you're trying to put on size/strength/weight and aren't worried about any fat gains you make, then absolutely pig out on some junk food after a workout, so long as you're hitting your macros.
 
I bulked for a year using this strategy to great effect. I used Chipotle Burritos and Double Meat Burrito Bowls.

I don't really care for supplements much, although Creatine is great. But Whey is just food. I'd rather just eat real food.

Where Whey shines is that it is a cheap protein source. So if you're on a tight budget or in college getting a tub of whey is more affordable than buying whole animal protein like meat, poultry, fish.
 
To be fair- the supplements they gave them seem pure shit- IE powerbars aren't that far off from snickers.

They're the same kind of supplements that people are wolfing down during races though--which is the kind exercise they tested.
 
The problem is everyone thinks of supplements and food as these magic potions that have distinct effects. "Protein powder builds muscle!" "Cinnamon burns fat!" It's your entire diet and the context of your lifestyle that matters.

I take protein powder because I find it difficult and more costly to eat ~150-200 grams of protein from food each day. A supplement is exactly that, something that supplements your diet.

Exactly. There's nothing special about protein powders. It's just another way to "eat" more protein.
 
They're the same kind of supplements that people are wolfing down during races though--which is the kind exercise they tested.
Around my small circle for friends who work out for muscle gain, it seemed common knowledge that powerbars were loaded with sugar in general, unless you went for a specific, usually pricier, brand. They're also more expensive than powder.
 
They noted that, although as the point out the fat wasn't "much more" but "slightly more". What that translates to in actual numbers I suspect will be in the fully study write up.

Yeah I was referring to the part of the OP as it was not highlighted.

My point is that this study's results are too one-dimensional and the scientists doing it will know that but the average consumer will be like "Yay lets go eat fast food to build muscle".

Fast food has enough of the main ingredients (protein, little bit of carbs) you need to build muscle, that is hardly surprising but that ignores the enormous literature on the huge health concerns related to fast food. They would obviously need to follow up with long term studies but I'm not even sure how ethical that would be to put people there knowing the harm fast food can cause.

Also someone else pointed out, supplements is a large category. Some don't have anything but protein (protein powders) and of courses there is a wide range of quality even among the protein powder. At the very least, you could get the same gains without the unhealthy aspect of fast food if you pick the right supplements.
 
To the body, a simple carbohydrate is a simple carbohydrate, whether it comes from a pricey powder or a french fry. So if you're faced with choosing a Muscle Milk or a Happy Meal after a workout, don't feel bad about dining at the Golden Arches every once in a while.

No shit. It's not what the body needs that I'm concerned with, it's what it doesn't need, especially in copious amounts (sodium, fats, cholesterol etc). And a lot of people I know have proper food as postworkout meals, not some energy drink or bar. Usually those are either consumed out of convenience or before a workout.
 
They didnt exactly pick the best supplements...but after an intense workout the body is so prepared to handle calories pretty much everything is shuttled into muscles. GLUT4 and insulin sensitivity are peaked in the few hours post workout.
 
Sure, calories are calories. When you're working out that hard, there's just no substitute for sheer caloric intake to repair damaged tissue and recover. Fast food packs a ton of calories in relatively small bites, so why not. The salt and cholesterol will eventually get you long term, but we're talking about a few times week after hard workouts here, not a big deal. I replaced like 50% of my body fat with lean muscle drinking 2 beers a day and eating entire large pizzas for dinner. It really doesn't matter.
 
They tested this for endurance athletes. I wonder how well protein supplements vs fast food would work out for strength athletes after heavy lifting (olympic lifting or powerlifting) at the gym.

Actually, I'm more interested in high quality, healthy meal vs fast food than protein supplement vs fast food.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Top Bottom