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[chromhound]

Jane does in the comic run this is based on.

Disney doesn't like to kill their characters tho

 

[DKehoe]

If I had Christian Bale being the main vilain in my movie, I wouldnt put tons of CGI and make up on him, for sure

It's fine. He could be bulkier tho, and the guy is known for being a chameleon, so he could have hit the gym if he wanted to, but eh

Cery excited to see Bale on the MCU

Yeh I'm cool with them not doing too much to cover him up. Plastering him in CGI, makeup or prosthetics would limit his range.

 

[ManaByte]

Disney doesn't like to kill their characters tho

Missed Endgame didn’t you.

Or Rogue One where the entire cast dies.

 

[Cocksman]

Kinda worried Korg is referring to Odinson in the past tense when he’s talking to the kids. Wouldn’t be surprised if that’s at the end of the movie

 

[Soapbox Killer]

WHERE IS BETA RAY BILL?

 

[Ownage]

Missed Endgame didn’t you.

Or Rogue One where the entire cast dies.

This is why Rogue One was good. Excellent script, decent actors, and everyone pissed off after the one-off.

 

[Javthusiast]

The poster looks like a rubbish AI generated one and someone used the keywords Star Wars, Flash Gordon and Thor.

 

[OmegaSupreme]

Thor looking trentastic

 

[Alter_Fridge]

Thor looking trentastic

He is actually looking ridiculous

 

[Classicrockfan]

Disney doesn't like to kill their characters tho

 

[March Climber]

The last teaser hyped me up and then for some reason this extended trailer made me less hyped for the movie. I’m not sure what it is, maybe Disney suit interference, but something was definitely off there and it didn’t look as fun as Ragnarok’s first big trailer.

I’m hoping for a good and fun movie regardless.

 

[BattleMonkey]

Disney doesn't like to kill their characters tho

They hate everyone's parents tho.

 

[Labolas]

Gor the God Butcher looks terrible. Where the fuck is Beta Ray Bill?

 

[sobaka770]

Oh man, the Youtube reviewers will have a field day with this.

Let me get the talking points:
- strong female character who doesn't seem to earn her power for any meaningful reason
- established male character is weaker and less apt because female character will not be allowed to ever seem worse than male character
- established male character is used to show how wonderful the new strong female character is and will be a buffoon Loki-style
- there will be no challenge for female character and no character development

I mean Marvel doesn't do itself any favors in this one. It will be a fun movie - I'm sure of it, but I hope Jane is not just another Captain Marvel in this.

 

[sol_bad]

Oh man, the Youtube reviewers will have a field day with this.

Let me get the talking points:
- strong female character who doesn't seem to earn her power for any meaningful reason
- established male character is weaker and less apt because female character will not be allowed to ever seem worse than male character
- established male character is used to show how wonderful the new strong female character is and will be a buffoon Loki-style
- there will be no challenge for female character and no character development

I mean Marvel doesn't do itself any favors in this one. It will be a fun movie - I'm sure of it, but I hope Jane is not just another Captain Marvel in this.

The first point is a great one, female super heroes always have to "earn" their power, even though most male super heroes don't earn their powers either.

 

[Razvedka]

The first point is a great one, female super heroes always have to "earn" their power, even though most male super heroes don't earn their powers either.

?
Thor spent the first whole movie proving he was worthy of Mjolnir.
Stark had to do endless upgrades on his suit in the first movie, as well as personally facing the consequences of his actions as a weapons manufacturer.
Captain America started as a pencil neck wuss who got teased and berated his whole life before finally proving himself in the Army.
Etc.

I can't tell if your post is sarcastic or I'm misinterpreting it.

 

[Ionian]

The first point is a great one, female super heroes always have to "earn" their power, even though most male super heroes don't earn their powers either.

Point out one please.

Some male cast also had to. You forget that?

Fuck that implied misogyny bullshit.

There are Gods who have it and there are heroes who earn it.

It's that simple. I knew that as a child.

EDIT:

 

[sobaka770]

The first point is a great one, female super heroes always have to "earn" their power, even though most male super heroes don't earn their powers either.

I want to clarify this because you make a reasonable point and I wasn't clear.

Gaining power is not character development. In fact gaining power is mostly a plot point so it doesn't really matter whether one actually becomes more powerful or not in context of character development. However power gain is a good tool to enhance the meaning of character development.

Case in point - Thor already had Mjornir in the first movie from the first scene. His quest is at first to simply restore his power. However the interesting part of the first movie is not him getting power back - it's his character growth - learning humility and being a good ruler. (not that Thor is very deep as a movie but it's something). Gaining power back as a reward for going through trials and being willing to sacrifice himself at the end accentuates actual growth. It's especially important for main characters and these simple arcs were normal for Marvel movies.

What I call fake is when in Moon Knight Layla takes up a lot of space, has several potentially interesting arcs which all end nowhere and don't affect her character at all. Then at the end Layle just gets superpowers for no reason and that lack of correlation between power gain and lack of character is just bad writing. Don't even get me started on how awful America Chavez's arc is in the new Dr Strange...

That's the problem with most recent Disney characters and it doesn't help that they are also dominantly diverse and female which really shouldn't matter but it seems like it shackles the writers somewhat because of perceived backlashes. They will probably tell us in the movie how come Jane is Thor now, but being "worthy" should be rare and has to be earned. Otherwise we just casually made her as noble as Captain America while the existing character was just a scientist lady.

 

[Spaceman292]

Goddamn Hemsworth makes me want to hit the gym hard

I want Hemsworth to hit me hard with his cock

 

[Ionian]

I want Hemsworth to hit me hard with his cock

Just reminded me of this song. 'Hits me with his cock'

Love the band until the bitches in it ruined it. (No offense to bitches, both good and bad).

 

[Razvedka]

I want to clarify this because you make a reasonable point and I wasn't clear.

Gaining power is not character development. In fact gaining power is mostly a plot point so it doesn't really matter whether one actually becomes more powerful or not in context of character development. However power gain is a good tool to enhance the meaning of character development.

Case in point - Thor already had Mjornir in the first movie from the first scene. His quest is at first to simply restore his power. However the interesting part of the first movie is not him getting power back - it's his character growth - learning humility and being a good ruler. (not that Thor is very deep as a movie but it's something). Gaining power back as a reward for going through trials and being willing to sacrifice himself at the end accentuates actual growth. It's especially important for main characters and these simple arcs were normal for Marvel movies.

What I call fake is when in Moon Knight Layla takes up a lot of space, has several potentially interesting arcs which all end nowhere and don't affect her character at all. Then at the end Layle just gets superpowers for no reason and that lack of correlation between power gain and lack of character is just bad writing. Don't even get me started on how awful America Chavez's arc is in the new Dr Strange...

That's the problem with most recent Disney characters and it doesn't help that they are also dominantly diverse and female which really shouldn't matter but it seems like it shackles the writers somewhat because of perceived backlashes. They will probably tell us in the movie how come Jane is Thor now, but being "worthy" should be rare and has to be earned. Otherwise we just casually made her as noble as Captain America while the existing character was just a scientist lady.

Rey is the ultimate example of women just being tossed power in cinema with zero effort to earn it. Only time she ever lost was when she fought Kylo in the third movie because she was fueled by anger and he, for the first time ever, wasn't and attempted to stop the engagement.

But she didn't lose her hand or get beat the hell up like Luke did in the original trilogy, or get all messed up like Anakin (or even Obi-Wan really) in the prequels.

 

[Ionian]

Rey is the ultimate example of women just being tossed power in cinema with zero effort to earn it. Only time she ever lost was when she fought Kylo in the third movie because she was fueled by anger and he, for the first time ever, wasn't and attempted to stop the engagement.

But she didn't lose her hand or get beat the hell up like Luke did in the original trilogy, or get all messed up like Anakin (or even Obi-Wan really) in the prequels.

Rey's story was so disjointed.

Kylo: Your parents were drunks and sold you off.

No actually your parents were murdered by an assassin some worm killed that you force heal and leave you alone after you fall into a sandpit.

I'm so happy I skipped the cinema for it, was like a child with crayons wrote pics and explained it.

The only thing I enjoyed was the Emperor as the actor is a legend. Then they fucked him up too, shoots lighting into the sky to disable fleets? The fuck was that about. Now we have horses is zero gravity running to ...

'I am all of the Sith, I am all of the Jedi.' Whoever wrote that should be banned from script writing.

Leave Snoke as the big bad guy, would have solved so many issues with the last film.

Oh no Kylo fell down a pit, anyone with any brain-cells new what was going to happen. Like Monty Python type crap with the Black Knight.

And she called herself Skywalker? Jesus Christ. The writers be damned on this, does this imply the random pregnancy was Palpatine as she was one earlier. (comics) Who the fuck knows. Get Watto to remove that scrap pile and start again.

 

[AeonGaidenRaiden]

Still attainable for the Everyman though

Every man willing to spend $2000+ on a diet plan and trainer

 

[EverydayBeast]

Playing Thor is a humbling experience.

 

[plushyp]

Okay trailer but naked Thor scene at the end with the two female leads watching while eating was terrible.

 

[sol_bad]

?
Thor spent the first whole movie proving he was worthy of Mjolnir.
Stark had to do endless upgrades on his suit in the first movie, as well as personally facing the consequences of his actions as a weapons manufacturer.
Captain America started as a pencil neck wuss who got teased and berated his whole life before finally proving himself in the Army.
Etc.

I can't tell if your post is sarcastic or I'm misinterpreting it.

I'm serious.

Thor - born with his power and given Mjilnor when he was the right age. He had those powers for thousands of years before daddy sent him to Earth.
Spider-Man - accident
Hulk - accident
Daredevil - accident
Mutants - born with it
Inhumans- born with it
Fantastic Four - accident
Warlock - born with it
Superman - born with it
Aquaman - born with it
Flash - accident
Luke Cage - accident

Etc etc

I want to clarify this because you make a reasonable point and I wasn't clear.

Gaining power is not character development. In fact gaining power is mostly a plot point so it doesn't really matter whether one actually becomes more powerful or not in context of character development. However power gain is a good tool to enhance the meaning of character development.

Case in point - Thor already had Mjornir in the first movie from the first scene. His quest is at first to simply restore his power. However the interesting part of the first movie is not him getting power back - it's his character growth - learning humility and being a good ruler. (not that Thor is very deep as a movie but it's something). Gaining power back as a reward for going through trials and being willing to sacrifice himself at the end accentuates actual growth. It's especially important for main characters and these simple arcs were normal for Marvel movies.

What I call fake is when in Moon Knight Layla takes up a lot of space, has several potentially interesting arcs which all end nowhere and don't affect her character at all. Then at the end Layle just gets superpowers for no reason and that lack of correlation between power gain and lack of character is just bad writing. Don't even get me started on how awful America Chavez's arc is in the new Dr Strange...

That's the problem with most recent Disney characters and it doesn't help that they are also dominantly diverse and female which really shouldn't matter but it seems like it shackles the writers somewhat because of perceived backlashes. They will probably tell us in the movie how come Jane is Thor now, but being "worthy" should be rare and has to be earned. Otherwise we just casually made her as noble as Captain America while the existing character was just a scientist lady.

Disagree.
Layla was right beside Moon Knight for the entire story. She went through multiple struggles along side Mark/Steven, they are the only 2 people that knew about Harrow. Taweret offered her power to Layla temporarily to help defeat Harrow and Ammit. And it's very clear she needs extra help regarding power as she previously struggled against Harrow's henchmen.
I'm not sure where Layla's arcs are meant to go to make her worthy of Taweret's powers.

And again, it's an issue glossed over for male super heroes. Take Ant-Man for example. In the film, Hope was far more worthy of being "Ant-Man", she understands the technology, is an insider for Cross Industries and she had been training for years. Scott becomes Ant-Man just because daddy says so.

 

[Classicrockfan]

This is the first marvel set that isn’t leading to nowhere the past were all thanos these new ones nothing?

 

[sol_bad]

This is the first marvel set that isn’t leading to nowhere the past were all thanos these new ones nothing?

When you say set, do you mean phase 4?

 

[Classicrockfan]

When you say set, do you mean phase 4?

Yes

 

[Doom85]

Yes

Loki Season 1 ended with setting up who will likely be the next ”Thanos”.

 

[DeafTourette]

This is the first marvel set that isn’t leading to nowhere the past were all thanos these new ones nothing?

This is leading to Secret Wars ... Hello? Multiverse? Kang?

They aren't going to use Dr. Doom as it's too late in the game to use him ... Not everything has to be just like the comics... Which the MCU already isn't. And that's fine!

 

[sol_bad]

Yes

There have been hints at incursions and possibly Secret Wars. But I think phase 4 is similar to phase 1 where they are bringing in new characters to form a new team or teams.

Both the Young Avengers and Dark Avengers/Thunderbolts are being hinted at.

I think phase 5 will start to bring the puzzle pieces together and we'll get a clearer vision of where things are heading.

 

[ManaByte]

Got confirmation that it

Spoiler

faithfully follows the full Jane cancer storyline to the end.

So no she’s not replacing Hemsworth.

 

[AJUMP23]

Got confirmation that it faithfully

Spoiler

follows the full Jane cancer storyline to the end.

So no she’s not replacing Hemsworth.

From who? WHO CONFIRMED IT!

 

[ManaByte]

From who? WHO CONFIRMED IT!

People have seen the movie already. It’s out in two weeks and some early screenings have started.

Spoilers:

Spoiler

Jane dies at the end like in the comics and goes to Valhalla. So she could in theory return as a Valkyrie like in the comics.

The daughter is named Love, thus the title Love and Thunder.

 

[YukiOnna]

I really hope the final battle(?) is full monochrome with colours only from clashes like the trailers have been indicating.

 

[sol_bad]

Got confirmation that it faithfully

Spoiler

follows the full Jane cancer storyline to the end.

So no she’s not replacing Hemsworth.

Maybe next time spoiler the whole thing. As someone who read the comics I knew exactly what you were typing and not knowing that would have been nice.