New World is apparently blocking players in Russia and Belarus

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You right now, bro...
 
Mocked for showing sympathy to the innocent people?

If you think that nonsensical tweet showed sympathy to the innocent people, I'm afraid you need more than a dictionary.

I'll help you out, even if I don't have much hope that it sticks: Expressing equidistance between factions helping the innocent people and one bombing them and their homes does not equate to expressing sympathy for said innocent people.

You right now, bro...

No, me right now is literally pointing and laughing, before feeling a bit of pity for your dreadful ignorance and making one last-ditch effort to educate you even if I doubt you'll understand anyway, which means I'll probably just revert to pointing and mocking you.
 
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IMHO this is simply an empty gesture.

Would have been smarter to keep access to the game but put anti-war propaganda into the game with links to resources that contradict the official Russian government narrative.

Now what would happen? Russian govt will then most likely block access to game servers, which will make people there pissed off at their govt, if only a bit.
 
What a terribly out-of-place comparison. You're skipping pretty much 20 years of history. Germany had already lost a war, badly, and the German people were already impoverished beyond recovery and had nothing to lose by supporting the Nazis. On top of this, the allied nations literally did the exact opposite of what the world is doing now. The US was in an isolationist phase so they simply didn't care all that much about what Hitler was doing, while most European countries, UK front and center, were trying to appease Hitler as much as possible in the silly hope that he'd be reasonable once he got a few concessions.

Now the Russian people definitely have something to lose by continuing to support Putin, and it's the relatively decent quality of life they have achieved, which Putin is taking from under their feet like a rug with the silly promise that "we'll though it out, haha." While the behavior of western countries, US and UK in front is absolutely nothing like the behavior that brought to WWII.

The comedic part of your comparison is that what allowed the situation to escalate all the way to WWII (US doing its own thing and ignoring what doesn't directly affects it, and Europe appeasing the dictator in the hope that he's happy with just grabbing some land here and there) is exactly what the putin apologist think would be the ideal solution.
Why did you feel the need to furiously hammer out a novella on this? I was merely pointing out to someone else that it was far worse for the Germans back then. I actually studied that awhile back and was stoked to be able to share. No need to insert yourself into the discussion.

Oh I see - you are implying I am a Putin apologist. Is this the new "Racist!"? Am I guilty of Wrongthink in your eyes and must therefore be shut down? Are you the self-appointed Topic Gatekeeper? Should I kneel?

All you did was make a bunch of false assumptions, then go off half-cocked as if those assumptions were facts. You're barking up the wrong tree.

I see you post on this forum quite a bit. Sometimes I disagree with what you are saying, and sometimes I agree. But I really hate it when I agree, because you come across in all instances as a seriously narcissistic, arrogant dick.

BTW, I hate Putin, and I hate Zelensky. Have fun with that, genius.
 
Oh I see - you are implying I am a Putin apologist.

No. I am implying that you brought up a "terribly out-of-place comparison" to the point that it sounds comedic to anyone who has a more-than-extremely superficial knowledge of history and helpfully explained why.

...And then, instead of learning something from the free history lesson, you went into a disjointed rant full of empty catchwords and personal insults, pretty much confirming that you're a putin apologist. With this war, equidistance (which often is false and disingenuous) effectively means backing Putin.
 
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I have a feeling that forcing the Russian people to use insular forms of communication is going to backfire spectacularly..

Nobody cares. To end this stupid war, people in Russia at all levels need to feel the pain of the war and the consequences. The people in Ukraine are facing far more serious consequences, so a little, or a lot, of inconvenience is the least all people in Russia deserve. The goal is to get this to stop or make Russia such a fucked up and shitty place to live that the people start hating Putin.

And trust and believe it will come, even if they don't all immediately showcase it.
 
Friend, I welcome other viewpoints, we can all ask questions and have a discussion without calling each other idiotic and getting heated. That being said, I respect your opinion.

I have family in Ukraine, so I understand this is a big deal, and there are a lot of factors at play, and everyone has different ideas of right and wrong on stuff like this.

I personally dislike having my question labeled as "whataboutism" though. I'm not attempting to handwave the clearly wrong actions of Putin and the Russian government, I am simply asking for some perspective. We are a very vindictive society, and I just don't believe in setting rules for others that I don't plan to abide by myself. You can call that whatever you want to, but America does not have clean hands. I love my country, but it would be a lie to pretend that our government has not meddled in ways big and small throughout my whole lifetime. We drone strike innocent people all the time, in increasing amounts, maybe we can just call that lucky that the rest of the world doesn't care enough or can't afford to impose restrictions on us for our behavior the same way we try to police everyone else.

The core question here, is what good does it actually do the world to tell people in Russia "Okay, no more video games". Is this actually pushing towards positive change, or just a virtue signal that will do little more than piss off an already pissed of country full of people who have no say in who runs their country?

Your position is a non-sequitur that is a sounding board for fascist propaganda. Russian soldiers are intentionally murdering civilians and your reaction is to distract from that murder as a priority and give credence to Russian acts. The history of America is unrelated to a position that one would take regarding the invasion of Ukraine and as I pointed out, is part of a larger propaganda tactic used by fascists to minimize and distract people from the actions they are undertaking.

This 'perspective' is not relevant to the actions taking place now by other parties. If the Nazis blitz London, you don't get to discuss British Imperialism, the Slave Trade, or Irish Oppression in relation because none of that has anything to do with Nazis bombing civilians in London nor does it justify the heinous acts taking place now. So take that whatabout nonsense regarding Americans off the table in a topic about the Russian invasion of Ukraine.

Ukraine is a democratic, industrialized nation being invaded by fascist authoritarians in the largest war in Europe since WW2. It is perfectly reasonable that this would be a major concern to other democratic industrialized nations. Additionally, the equivocation between incidental drone strikes by the US and a specific campaign to intentionally target and kill civilians is pure nonsense. The US and Russia don't conduct themselves equally so I'll hear none of this attempt to 'both sides' this issue as if drone striking civilians incidentally whether conscious or not is equivalent to the wholesale tactic of bombing hospitals as a principle, which Russia does time and again.


What you call 'Virtue Signal' in this case, adults call 'Sanctions'. Sanctions serve as a timeout from business as usual in order to disrupt and make inconvenient the lives of every Russian until they stop invading their neighbors and instituting pogroms.
 
No. I am implying that you brought up a "terribly out-of-place comparison" to the point that it sounds comedic to anyone who has a more-than-extremely superficial knowledge of history and helpfully explained why.

...And then, instead of learning something from the free history lesson, you went into a disjointed rant full of empty catchwords and personal insults, pretty much confirming that you're a putin apologist. With this war, equidistance (which often is false and disingenuous) effectively means backing Putin.
Class, this is what complete lack of self-awareness looks like. See how he seems to actually believe he is being helpful, when it is quite the opposite? Study it closely, so you will know what not to do.

Take note of his condescension. A need to feel superior usually points to an inferiority complex.

Finally, note the "you are either for us or against us" narrative. This is known as false dichotomy; avoid this logical fallacy.
 
Class, this is what complete lack of self-awareness looks like. See how he seems to actually believe he is being helpful, when it is quite the opposite? Study it closely, so you will know what not to do.

Take note of his condescension. A need to feel superior usually points to an inferiority complex.

Finally, note the "you are either for us or against us" narrative. This is known as false dichotomy; avoid this logical fallacy.

Interesting to see that you have nothing to say that could counter my argument, because it's steel-clad, so all you can do is double down on the personal attacks.

The only side that has anything to gain from equidistance in this war is putin and russia. putin would absolutely love to see the world stay neutral and look on as his army tries (very clumsily) to trash Ukraine and its people. This is a simple fact, so by expressing equidistance, you're literally backing putin's side and playing ball for him.

Of course, a lot of the cowards who are expressing equidistance do it simply because they are on putin's side, but they are afraid of the well-deserved scorn that comes with publicly expressing that position, so they hide behind false neutrality hoping that people won't notice their true colors.
 
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IMO in actual situation it is needed.
A lot of Russians (most old) are not aware of anything Putin is doing… blocks are a piss but it make the society discuss and realize what is happening outside their country.
 
I'm sorry, but I'm having a difficult time feeling bad for the Russian population as a whole right now. No, they don't all support the war, but enough do, at least publicly. And until there is enough outcry there to do something about the horrible war crimes being committed as we speak by their government, no one should expect "business as usual" with the nation.
The control of TVs and press in Russia is so trick that most of the population see a war different of what is happening.

So unless something internally happened the population there will continue living by fake news… blocks seems bad but force the population to ask why we are being blocked and go at search for the reason.
 
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IMO in actual situation it is needed.
A lot of Russians (most old) are not aware of anything Putin is doing… blocks are a piss but it make the society discuss and realize what is happening outside their country.

Indeed. One product or service taken away may indeed be a piss, depending on what it is. But two? Twenty? 200? 2000? It adds up. The more companies do this, whether or not their individual influence is limited, the stronger the message becomes.
 
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Nobody cares. To end this stupid war, people in Russia at all levels need to feel the pain of the war and the consequences. The people in Ukraine are facing far more serious consequences, so a little, or a lot, of inconvenience is the least all people in Russia deserve. The goal is to get this to stop or make Russia such a fucked up and shitty place to live that the people start hating Putin.

And trust and believe it will come, even if they don't all immediately showcase it.
I don't think you understand what i mean. Removing the Russian people from outside influence is not good. Soon they will have nothing but information from within.
 
Incidentally, expressing solidarity to people who are receiving actual harm by war is far from useless.

There are several game developers in Ukraine. Some of them have lost their homes and months/years of work. Some of them have lost friends and family. Some may have been injured or even killed. Some have been drafted and they're currently fighting on the front line. Knowing that the rest of the industry they're part of is on their side does help make them feel less alone, and every little bit helps.

I personally count a few Ukrainian devs among my friends (especially among those who work on Microsoft Flight Simulator add-ons, of which there's a surprisingly high number), and I'm positive that every bit of news like this is certainly not unwelcome to them.
 
I think all these measures are going to produce the exact opposite result of what these companies are looking for. They are just feeding and giving reasons for regular Russians that dont give a shit about Putin to actually believe that he is the good guy and the western world is attacking them.
Again, the enemy is Putin, not the regular russian citizen.
 
I think all these measures are going to produce the exact opposite result of what these companies are looking for. They are just feeding and giving reasons for regular Russians that dont give a shit about Putin to actually believe that he is the good guy and the western world is attacking them.
Again, the enemy is Putin, not the regular russian citizen.

The result being aimed for is the destruction of the Russian economy.

Quite rightly, because Russia is currently committing Nazi-level war atrocities on a daily basis.

We moved way past thinking about how Russians may be affected by not being able to play a video game a long fucking time ago.
 
I think all these measures are going to produce the exact opposite result of what these companies are looking for. They are just feeding and giving reasons for regular Russians that dont give a shit about Putin to actually believe that he is the good guy and the western world is attacking them.
Again, the enemy is Putin, not the regular russian citizen.

There's a big problem with this point of view. By that logic, all sanctions that affect the Russian people would be seen as detrimental, which is basically all of them.

So either the world lets poutine do whatever he wants without sanctions, or it declares world war III to stop him.

Since the sanctions are already in place, the withdrawal of further products and services from availability in Russia reinforces their effect and visibility, solidifying the idea that poutine has made an enemy of the whole world, which is absolutely not a bad idea to convey.
 
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Hmm I donno guys ... Russians can't play New World or millions of Ukrainians are homeless ... hmm which should we be upset about ... tough one
 
Fucking boooooooooooooo to this entire fucking thread.

Off topic is that way.

Fuck off you cunts, we get enough Russia-Ukraine conflict just by opening our phones and social media - I dont need to see it in the gaming section of NeoGaf.

Theres a 200 page thread in OT, kindly move this there please.

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Interesting to see that you have nothing to say that could counter my argument, because it's steel-clad, so all you can do is double down on the personal attacks.

The only side that has anything to gain from equidistance in this war is putin and russia. putin would absolutely love to see the world stay neutral and look on as his army tries (very clumsily) to trash Ukraine and its people. This is a simple fact, so by expressing equidistance, you're literally backing putin's side and playing ball for him.

Of course, a lot of the cowards who are expressing equidistance do it simply because they are on putin's side, but they are afraid of the well-deserved scorn that comes with publicly expressing that position, so they hide behind false neutrality hoping that people won't notice their true colors.
See how quickly he replies to anyone with a different opinion? The narcissist is driven by a compulsive need to show his superiority, no matter the cost. He really cannot help himself. In this case, he is doubling down on the false dichotomy and appeals to emotion, claiming that option C is the same as A. He goes so far as to accuse others of cowardice and ulterior motives, as if he could read their minds. He is unable to accept that it is possible to not want to be involved for reasons other than worshipping Putin.

Arguing with someone like this is futile, because their need to be right overrides all else, rendering them unable to accept any information that runs counter to their viewpoint, no matter how factual. Like casting pearls before swine; they trample them underfoot.

Narcissistic Personality Disorder
Narcissistic personality disorder is a mental condition in which people have an inflated sense of their own importance, a deep need for excessive attention and admiration, troubled relationships, and a lack of empathy for others. But behind this mask of extreme confidence lies a fragile self-esteem that's vulnerable to the slightest criticism.
 
Arguing with someone like this is futile

And yet you keep doing it because the truth hurts. 😂

Only, since you have absolutely no valid argument, you keep doubling down on personal insults because there's literally nothing else you can do.
 
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See how quickly he replies to anyone with a different opinion? The narcissist is driven by a compulsive need to show his superiority, no matter the cost. He really cannot help himself. In this case, he is doubling down on the false dichotomy and appeals to emotion, claiming that option C is the same as A. He goes so far as to accuse others of cowardice and ulterior motives, as if he could read their minds. He is unable to accept that it is possible to not want to be involved for reasons other than worshipping Putin.

Arguing with someone like this is futile, because their need to be right overrides all else, rendering them unable to accept any information that runs counter to their viewpoint, no matter how factual. Like casting pearls before swine; they trample them underfoot.

Narcissistic Personality Disorder
It doesn't sound like you should be diagnosing other people with psychological disorders, tbh.
 
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