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[JackMcGunns]

Checks out if they follow the same timeline as last gen where Xbox One X released the following year of PS4 Pro. Will be interesting to see if they make it more powerful just like One X was.

 

[jm89]

Not 2025 afaik, and even 2026 seems unlikely at this point given gfx13 timelines. Imo we will see PS6/Xbox-next/Steam Deck 2 all in 2027.

Never believed the 2026 launch for one second. Always thought 2027 at the earliest.

 

[Ashamam]

The only way its a 2025 release imho is if its a PC essentially. Also if its that quick expect a half baked software solution to making a PC feel like a console. Oh and expect it to have Surface like pricing.

The longer they take the more likely they stick the landing.

 

[mayham2199]

The only way its a 2025 release imho is if its a PC essentially. Also if its that quick expect a half baked software solution to making a PC feel like a console. Oh and expect it to have Surface like pricing.

The longer they take the more likely they stick the landing.

This is my exact thoughts on it as well. If it comes out 2025 then this is what it will be and I would be very worried about using some half assed UI on a PC. Then again I used Playnite as my launcher and that was made by one guy and it's pretty damn close to what I want to give me that console like experience. So maybe MS could figure it out quickly.

 

[Bridges]

I've gotten every Xbox aside from the OG. I'll get this so long as it is an actual generational jump, whatever that means. If it's just an XSX Pro in all but name I will pass, at least at launch. The Series X is great and doesn't really warrant a jump imo if it's just graphics they're chasing.

Honestly I hope they have some gimmicky weirdness this time. Something with AI or the cloud or some outside-the-box idea to make it more than a green PlayStation. As far behind in the market as they are, I feel like they need to take a gamble. They're not going to win marketshare with a stronger box, they've been trying and failing at that since the One X.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

I think it was James Sawyer Ford (apologizes if it wasn't you James) that said months ago that Xbox might be playing 4D Chess this next time, or something along those lines

Edit - In May

I think the ecosystems may be a little bit too entrenched these days for any serious reversals of fortune unless one competitor makes massive mistakes.

A PC-like Xbox seems to me that it would have less an impact on Playstation sales, and more an impact on people that game on the PC that may want a "best of both worlds" type approach. Whether this is GOOD for Microsoft remains to be seen....if someone buys an Xbox yet purchases games on Steam, Microsoft doesn't really benefit from that at all. So the console will need to have high margins and prices to make it work.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

If it's just an XSX Pro in all but name I will pass,

Likely most new consoles (even those claimed to be "next gen" like the next Xbox or even PS6) will just be iterative "pro" versions from here on out. Diminishing returns are a real thing. Too many constraints on price, increasingly more limited performance gains per node shrink, power limitations, etc.

 

[Bridges]

Likely most iterations will just be iterative "pro" versions from here on out. Diminishing returns are a real thing. Too many constraints on price, increasingly more limited performance gains per node shrink, power limitations, etc.

You're almost certainly right, XSX already felt that way to the One X tbh. but the jump was huge enough to be worth it. I just don't see that being the case again next time

 

[RickMasters]

What's stopping you from getting a Steam Deck or Asus ROG Ally right now? Especially considering that Microsoft themselves called it Xbox in their latest ad.

I basically already consider my ROG ally a handheld Xbox. Except it can also load my steam library…… now if only MS would make a console that does that lil party trick too…..

 

[AW_CL]

It's hard to believe that anyone would continue investing in the Xbox ecosystem at this point.

 

[pasterpl]

Checks out if they follow the same timeline as last gen where Xbox One X released the following year of PS4 Pro. Will be interesting to see if they make it more powerful just like One X was.

It supposed to be a proper next gen, not mid-gen refresh.

 

[pasterpl]

I've gotten every Xbox aside from the OG. I'll get this so long as it is an actual generational jump, whatever that means. If it's just an XSX Pro in all but name I will pass, at least at launch. The Series X is great and doesn't really warrant a jump imo if it's just graphics they're chasing.

Honestly I hope they have some gimmicky weirdness this time. Something with AI or the cloud or some outside-the-box idea to make it more than a green PlayStation. As far behind in the market as they are, I feel like they need to take a gamble. They're not going to win marketshare with a stronger box, they've been trying and failing at that since the One X.

AI it’s a given, looking at what they do in the PC space. They even have got their own AI upscaler that is different than any other.

 

[paolo11]

I wish the next Xbox is also a handheld that plays all purchase games from the marketplace . I wanna play Lost Odyssey on the go

 

[FunkMiller]

“Here’s our brand new marketing campaign telling you everything is an Xbox, so you know you have one already and don’t need to buy one!”

“Please buy our new Xbox”.

 

[Three]

“Sir our hardware share is tanking, no one wants to buy our consoles”
“Release a new console as soon as possible”

What is this strategy called?

 

[Parazels]

I normally play last gen games on a current gen console.

So I will be happy, if the new Xbox runs Armored Core 6 or Silent Hill 2 at max console settings.

 

[panda-zebra]

xbox seem so reactionary, their messaging has been all over the place while their execs have obviously been battling it out internally over which way to steer the hulking ship over the past few years. So don't honestly see anything truly new console hardware-wise in 2025, more likely it's just chatter circulated to keep the bulk of the subscriber base's eyes from straying elsewhere (console gp subs) in a difficult transition time.

If there actually is something new in hardware, a high end device seems out of the question with what's available to work with right now/soon, unless it really is just a pointless high discrete components PC with an xbox branding. Have no idea who wants or needs this.

Wild guess? For 2025 maybe a micro console/pad combo on the cheap is the only realistic shout, something that could bring in support for their mobile titles/new store. Maybe that could also let you stream from a virtual xbox series xxl in the cloud with an appropriate tier of GP sub, and cheekily offer the 'best' way to play GTA 6 (if that really is their intent) but at a price point that's closer to a fire stick and a controller rather than a Series S that sits too high in price and too low on spec for what is costs to produce.

 

[Wolfpact1983]

If it comes with a disc drive, Xbox will win the next console wars,no matter what. Mark my words !!!!!!11

 

[Jibran#one]

Drop proprietary storage ,drop Ur mom's pussy is an Xbox bullshit , faster CPU, backwards compatibility enhancement for 360 Xbox one and series x games ,and a reason to buy Ur console aka EXCLUSIVES.
And maybe we can go somewhere

 

[Clintizzle]

As HeisenbergFX4 foretold.

The great cycle of NeoGAF:
1. HeisenbergFX4 says he heard some things.
2. Everyone freaks out and calls bullshit or calls him a shill.
3. It all ends up being true.
4. People act like they never doubted anything.
5. Repeat.

 

[Brucey]

Microsoft would need to provide genuine competition then, because if y’all are to be believed, Sony is clearly not paying them any attention.

“OMG $700 Pro”. Meanwhile the XSX can run you just $100 less and all you get is an extra TB of storage.

The pro is 2TB as well.

 

[jroc74]

Like always having the best version of a game. The Xbox one X was significantly more powerful than the ps4 pro and it was reflected across the internet. That was a net win for Xbox and the only reason they stayed competitive. MS greatest strength is its wallet. If they want to continue being in the hardware business they need to make sure they ALWAYS have the most powerful platform. That was always the easy win for MS and they screwed it up twice in a row.

Remember how RDR 2 sold more on PS4 than XBO, despite the One X being more powerful?

Something being reflected across the internet must mean for forum points. If MS is still looking for validation from forum users...then they truly have lost the plot.

 

[Xtib81]

A 2025 release would suggest yet another underpowered console.

 

[jroc74]

Mmmm people said that about the xbox one x I don't think it sold an eighth of what the PS4 PRO did.

Its de ja vu.

The One X, the XSX...what exactly did it do? Hell, MS had to give more attention to the Series S just to not get outsold 20:1....because of business decisions.

But its gonna be interesting when certain folks will now want a more expensive console with better specs.

 

[HeWhoWalks]

The pro is 2TB as well.

My point was that the newest Series X release only upgraded to a 2TB, whereas the Pro includes a 2TB.

 

[pasterpl]

But its gonna be interesting when certain folks will now want a more expensive console with better specs.

Much better specs, next gen AI, generation leap - yes. Up to 45% gain in best case lab scenario with 4-5 year old cpu - no.

 

[HeWhoWalks]

Much better specs, next gen AI, generation leap - yes. Up to 45% gain in best case lab scenario with 4-5 year old cpu - no.

Way to completely miss the point.

 

[Jibran#one]

The only way its a 2025 release imho is if its a PC essentially. Also if its that quick expect a half baked software solution to making a PC feel like a console. Oh and expect it to have Surface like pricing.

The longer they take the more likely they stick the landing.

Are you an engineering expert? Have experience in developing consoles ?
Like why can't they like a series X design a little bit bigger with better cpu gpu and upscaling technology and use the series x software like the ps5 pro did ?
I don't think s full fledge next gen Xbox is feasible in 2025 so most probsbly a one X type of powerful mid gen upgrade that beats ps5 pro in power everywhere

 

[TrebleShot]

Are you an engineering expert? Have experience in developing consoles ?
Like why can't they like a series X design a little bit bigger with better cpu gpu and upscaling technology and use the series x software like the ps5 pro did ?
I don't think s full fledge next gen Xbox is feasible in 2025 so most probsbly a one X type of powerful mid gen upgrade that beats ps5 pro in power everywhere

They can make it the size of a fridge and power it with a nuclear reactor, no one is abandoning their libraries they have built up since the PS4 or on Steam for Xbox latest failure.

 

[RoboFu]

Remember how RDR 2 sold more on PS4 than XBO, despite the One X being more powerful?

Something being reflected across the internet must mean for forum points. If MS is still looking for validation from forum users...then they truly have lost the plot.

That's not what I said at all. It's not about beating the PlayStation it's about staying relevant.

 

[Team Andromeda]

I would rather the new Xbox system in late 2026 myself. But can't wait either way

 

[GoldenEye98]

Yeah I would take this with a huge grain of salt

 

[adamsapple]

But its gonna be interesting when certain folks will now want a more expensive console with better specs.

If it's a new generation, yes people will probably be more OK with it.

 

[DaleinCalgary]

I can see it if they don't plan on releasing a pro type console. But 5 years after XSX? too quick.

The power jump these days is small. It's like a Bugatti needing 200 more HP to go 15 kph better top speed.

 

[ShadyAcshuns]

Well I sure as hell ain't buyin' it. Why buy a MS console when all their IPs will also be on PlayStation?

 

[Moses85]

 

[Caffeine]

I think gamesir is just projecting.

 

[Geometric-Crusher]

I would rather the new Xbox system in late 2026 myself. But can't wait either way

lol xbox 2026 why? just get a PC or Asus Rog now

 

[Jibran#one]

They can make it the size of a fridge and power it with a nuclear reactor, no one is abandoning their libraries they have built up since the PS4 or on Steam for Xbox latest failure.

What if they integrate steam ? And an actual next gen system unlike ps5 pro will u not abandon ship than if they bring out actually games with it ?

 

[Alan Wake]

A few years ago I would've said it was very unlikely, but now anything is possible. Sales of the Xbox Series X/S has dropped off a cliff and is continuing to drop with every quarter. I don't know if they can hold on for much longer at this rate. Who will even keep stocking them?

But then, who is the supposedly new Xbox for? The diehards are fewer and fewer by the day, and since the "every screen is an Xbox" strategy has been put into practice I barely see any reason for them to even launch a new Xbox. Next year or later. They probably will, though, and the handheld could be cool. But... despite being an Xbox gamer for 22 years, I don't care that much at this point.

 

[CLW]

If they pull off forward compatibility and open store it'll be a golden age for gamers invested in the Xbox ecosystem digitally.

So basically NOONE

 

[Luipadre]

Already got the Pro and all my digital games since the early PS4 era are on PS. There is no way im buying or changing to xbox. They really fucked up the most important era when lots of people shifted to digital games and started to build up their digital libraries.

 

[Parazels]

lol xbox 2026 why? just get a PC or Asus Rog now

The personal calculator and portable personal calculator parody gaming platforms, without actually being them.

 

[simpatico]

Pro owners in shambles. PS6 coming no later than Feb 2026

 

[Parazels]

I will buy the new Xbox (if I stay alive),

but, realistically speaking, they need a killer feature to attract the current and new customers.

 

[Bernoulli]

what about the leaked new controller?

Probably exclusive to the new console to make the gap seem bigger

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

What shape would this take, if this is true? Heavy emphasis on the “if”. Refreshed “pro” Xbox, I guess, or a completely different device since Xbox is now completely aboard the “play everywhere” train.

Only two options really, IMO:

1: Xbox handheld with alt-storefront access, but Phil already said that any handheld is "years away"; 2025 isn't "years away" from 2024. Or..

2: Xbox/PC hybrid with (maybe) modular expandability & cut-down version of Windows alongside Xbox OS for native compatibility of whitelisted Windows programs and alt-storefront access. Maybe starting with a repackaged/redesigned Series X (think Gamecube > Wii), then a more "next-gen" performant version in 2027-2028?

Microsoft needs to repeat xbox360 cycle again. Dont put your games on other platform. Release AA games every 6 months. Put out an affordable console with enough storage. Shutdown gamepass as thats not doing anything for them. This is the way to attract more people to your eco system.

A few points of clarification:

1: MS didn't release AA games every 6 months during 360. I don't even remember them releasing many AA games at all; that was mostly 3P

2: 360 was only affordable in part because cheaper models had virtually no storage (well, real storage). And they also used proprietary HDDs...that might sound familiar...

3: You're never getting the 360 era back as long as the current leadership are still at Xbox and I'd argue Microsoft as a whole.

People with a decent pc are gonna ignore the next xbox like the did with the last one, it's the curse of having everything day one on pc.

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Personally, I do think there's a market for a console-like PC that can offer the convenience of a console, with the open-endedness & multi-use (productivity, for example) functionality of a PC, if it can offer performance roughly equivalent to something in a mid-range space for a price that'd look justified for having all of that in a single box.

It's not like GPU manufacturers are targeting the low-end dedicated graphics market these days. The amount you'd have to spend on a solid mid-range GPU & CPU (alongside other things like SSD, motherboard etc.) could both eat into a high price segment plus be too much a hassle for the large sea of people on iGPU and super low-end setups who just want a modest upgrade.

So in that sense, I can see a purpose for new Xbox hardware, because at that point I don't think Day 1 on PC means anything if you can basically use your Xbox as a PC. And, that also frees them up to drop the pretenses & get everything out on PS Day 1. Specs permitting, same with Switch 2. That's the obvious direction it looks like Microsoft wants to move in and the latest messaging has got even some of the most hardheaded Xbox fanboys finally accepting things.

Dude they did not even get permission from Valve (or didn't bother to) to use Steam deck in their big ad campaign. I have no idea where people are getting the Steam association with, how would profit sharing even work there?

I would honestly not expect Steam to be there, at best you will maybe get Itchio and Epic.

This is actually why I think if there is ANY alternative storefront support on future Xbox hardware, it's going to come through running the required Windows code through Xbox OS, I guess through some translation layer, in a sort of protected mode. However, the applications have all normal access to system resources the way code written for Xbox OS does.

Basically, any compatibility with Steam, or even EGS etc., would be 100% on Microsoft's end with a method like this, because I don't see Valve or Epic bothering whatsoever to write Xbox OS-compliant versions of their storefronts for Xbox. Why would they? It's a much bigger benefit for Microsoft than it is for either of them, so they aren't going to get the returns for the work that'd be required. Very lopsided dynamic there.

 

[Bernoulli]

If true, pro is not gonna be the most powerful console for long.

Unless they are talking about a useless hahandheld.

The next xbox is not going to be much faster at the same price, there is no tech for that if it's released in 2025

 

[djjinx2]

Then what the fuck is it? Give me your knowledge!! Lol

It's a SFF Xbox PC

 

[Geometric-Crusher]

The problem is not the technology, Microsoft can make a prebuilt PC with RTX 4090 and call it an Xbox. The problem is essentially commercial, people don't want another xbox (even handheld ) Microsoft will have to make a big subsidy, loss per unit but they don't have the potential to make a next gen game that Sony can't replicate with the ps5, Sony just needs to lower the price of the PS5 Pro to kill it commercially.