Bulbo Urethral Baggins
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Those are carbonated tears of joy.
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New York City Approves Large Sugary Drinks Ban
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Those are carbonated tears of joy.
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I'm serious in a joking manner.
the problem is that there are dozens of other things on the menu which are equally fattening or worse
the problem is that stores can just offer free refills so the sugar consumption will be the same.
the problem is that at the end of the day, people will still be fat. this new bill will not really help much in the long run cause theres too much fatty foods and drinks still available. And the government just decided to give itself just a little bit more power to intervene in your daily life cause they believe you have lack the intelligence and will power to run your own life.
and judging by the levels of obesity in this country, people do really suckmaybe we do need a nanny state...
So your problem is that the law doesn't go far enough?
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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It's amusing people think that only right wingers are opposed to this and not also people concerned about voter suppression in swing states.
you can get the same exact items in smaller sizes that Europeans still find absurdly large.
It bans larger cups from being sold at places with soda fountains. Why do any of us have to face those choices that you're giving? If there's a demand for 20oz sodas and someone wants to fill it, what's the problem?
It's not about "morals."
It's about making it ever-so-slightly more difficult (but not impossible) for people to engage in a self-destructive habit that contributes to our nation's biggest health crisis: obesity and the related diseases associated with it.
This is really not as outrageous as many are making it out to be.
Its amusing the only people overly concerned with this are the ones already sliding down their own slippery slopes.
Visualante2
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The limited number of hands they have.
Who picks up the tab for those with fatal heart conditions and no health insurance?
You know what else is amusing? Fucking meta commentary shut the fuck up and talk like normal people?
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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You're missing the references I was making.
Sorry, I lived in PA during both those terms though Giuliani was known all around for his stance on policing and getting ride of 42nd St (granted to be fair VHS, Aids, and Crack did that on it's own....still less garish than it is now) I will give you that.
OriginofHysteria
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You know its a waste when the mayor gives a loophole in his own policy.
Seriously. I really support this measure, and hope more cities follow in Bloomberg's footsteps. Let's drag America kicking and screaming to healthier lifestyles.
The point is not to completely stop people from drinking massive amounts of soda, but taking advantage of psychological biases to maybe push them into drinking less.
Do you really want an outright ban on soda? Is that what you're saying here?
yep. if you're serious about people being too fat. then ban all fatty foods. bacon. cheese. alcohol. this is like the government saying people are driving way too fast in the US, so they're gonna ban the sales of Porsches. but you can speed all you want in a BMW, Ferrari, Nissan, Toyota, etc. do you see how futile that is?
but a ban is still a ban, even if its something you don't want, appreciate, care for, or even use.
by banning large sodas and not the 8,000 other things that make people obese? What if the government start to ban other things? how far is too far? what would it take for you to realize the government is overstepping its job?
yes, this is all conjecture and a bunch of maybes. But do you really think they're going to stop at the sales of large sodas?
That are offered in as high a frequency and in the same or more volumes with the same kind of availability to as wide a range of the population as large sodas?
Will they? What's the incentive?
You can cry freedom until you're blue in the face, but none of what you're saying is sensible given how much control other things in your life have over you already.
Face that choice? Like facing pay off your debt or lose your family? How many times does it have to be said that there's a hell of a lot more tied into consumer behavior and psychology than just simple supply and demand?
Like I said before, I find it puzzling that no one complained about not being able to get a SMALLER sized beverage in some of these venues or complained about the lack of other healthier options available to interested consumers.
lazybones18
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I'm gonna chug down a 2 Liter bottle of pop in protest
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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You could argue though that getting people ids (while bullshitty for it's stated goal) can be used to help more people open banking accounts, enroll for public aid and servies, and other benefits that they can't access now. People really should have enough id provided to them for no cost and help in obtaining it so they can complete any basic background check/request (of course if you want Security Clearance its different). Perhaps people should help others make the most of a bad situation. I mean getting people enrolled in public services because of a voter id law would be a hilarious unintended side effect that would drive some of the people pushing voter id nuts.
You have to also consider the political viability of such measures, and also whether they're even necessary. Fatty food itself isn't a problem. Regular consumption of it, and large portions of it are. Mandating a reduction in portion size for foods not only has a better chance of becoming a law, but it helps achieve improved health outcomes.
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It doesn't do anything more like it. A bunch of money being wasted on law that is going to likely have zero impact. It's like people wanting gun bans on specific guns while saying it's ok to buy a gun that does the exact same thing, just because of name.
Half assed law making. They want to force people into healthier lifestyles? They need to put more thought into it
and that's an outcome they planned for. everyone wins.
Great question for this thread. Interested to see if the people against the ban will even touch it.
But like you said, it shows we dont mind the companies telling us how much is "appropriate" to drink, but when the government does it, there is an uproar.
OriginofHysteria
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Isn't that what they tried doing with cigarettes when they jacked the prices? I still see a lot of people stoging it up on the streets of NYC to this day. This will be the same effect, it won't work and it was just a waste to enact this rule.
I don't want a ban on soda either.
I'm enjoying this thread if only because I find myself agreeing with many posters whom I often disagree with. Nice change of pace
Don't know how to respond to this other than saying I disagree. I think it will have a positive impact.
No one will. For most of the past decade one of my personal complaints was always that if you walked in to bodegas or smaller stores or hell, even most supermarkets, ALL of your sweetened beverages choices were either sugar bomb sodas/snapples and the like, or shitty diet sodas filled with whatever nasty ass sweetener substitute du jour they were using. Hey look, no complaints about freedom of choice back then.
Shock and awe.
Oh no, what to do when facts fly in the face of your anecdotes?
You know what WAS great that curbed smoking in many places that everyone grew to either love or not give a shit about? The indoor smoking ban.
Isn't it great?
OriginofHysteria
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But you can't equate that to a rise in cigarette prices or a ban on smoking in bars. Some are just simply from choice.
Ie: we are gonna have kids, let's stop smoking
Or
Ie: I want to maintain a healthier lifestyle.
I edited it. The choices I'm talking about are the ones you presented.
How about worry about your own health and let the rest of us do the same?
I don't want the government mandating what the correct portion size is. i can do that myself as an educated adult.
there's no way this will have a positive impact. people will continue to drink the sugary drinks and eat the fatty foods cause they're all abundantly available everywhere.
Okey dokey.... You chose the denial/damage control route, well played.
But banning Porches will get "some" people to drive less fast! WIN!
It will be interesting to see if this turns into a prop 8 level of response (totally not comparing the ban to prop 8, just considering the response). We'll see in a year.
I've seen some studies that Bloomburg's other crusade (calorie counts) isn't very effective. And it was a worlds better idea than a soda ban...
http://ldihealtheconomist.com/he000001.shtml
I'm okay with this.
I saw the edit, what I said was stab at this being some kind of remotely important "choice".
Doesn't change anything I said or asked.
So if you wanted a 100oz drink before, you could grab your 100oz cup and fill it up right?
Wait, you mean you never really had any say in it to begin with and it was the suppliers making the portion sizes for you?
Well at least it was a corporation (another person) and not big gov right?
That's not how a government does or should work.
Most people will just finish off whatever they're given. Reducing the size of the drink will help improve their health. Will you have some people who say "Goddammit I need some more Sprite!"? Absolutely. But the majority will be fine with what they have.
See above.
Well then almost everything you said is irrelevant to what I said and impossible to respond to.
It's not how it does, obviously. That's why we have things like gay marriage bans and the war on drugs. It certainly should work that way though.
that doesn't even make sense. last time i check I didn't elect corporations to make laws on my behalf. so when a corporation doesn't make an item that i want, i don't get angry.
OMG. stop it, okay. we're not even arguing the same point. yes i agree that drinking less soda is better for you. yes i agree not having larger size sodas will result in less calorie consumption. but that won't matter when you're eating a 900 calorie baconator sandwich at wendy's and drinking 2-3 refills of a small soda.
Bulbo Urethral Baggins
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I can fill up a 128 oz cup in certain places. Imagine that. Options. Freedom to choose. It's a foreign concept, isn't it?
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