Next-Gen Consoles: Will someone separate the hype from the reality please!

moondance

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I don't get it...I just don't get it. Been reading a lot of different forums lately in regards to nVidia hooking up with Sony for the PS3. Lots of people are saying the CELL based PS3 is a "MONSTER", a "MIRACLE MACHINE" with some even going as far as fearing for the future of PC Gaming. "This beast is going to blow away anything we've ever seen or dreamed of before". Are we led to believe that a mass market gaming console that will probably arrive with a price tag somewhere near $299.00 is going to nuke any fully tricked out Alienware, Falcon Northwest or Voodoo PC rig, rigs that can run between $5000-$10,000. What am I missing here?
 
That's the way it has always been. Though with a PC you get different features, control, resolution, games, etc.
 
A CELL based chip is huge, since there are no direct competition. That leaves us plenty of space to dream. But I admit, hype takes a major part of the discussion. I am very happy to see at least one console-maker that invest time and energy in the processor research and development sector...
 
I'm wait and see on Cell. And PS3 in general. It'd be wonderful if it's the broadband friendly media dream they're making it out to be. THATs what excites me about cell. But some of it has got to be hype. I think this generation or next people could actually start becoming underwhelmed by 'next gen' visuals thanks to all the damaging hype preceeding it.

I hope Iwata's Nintendo aren't as conservative with their spec sheets as Yamauchi's was with Gamecube. That or I hope Microsoft and Sony are more realistic and offer performance details re: typical game performance.
 
WarPig said:
At this point it's all hype. Expect a bit of reality next March or so.

Yup, nailed it. The only reality that will matter is when people sit down and play the games themselves... at retail.
 
I'm too lazy to check up on this but I think what sliver of reality is PS3 is probably doing parallel, distributed computing to take gaming to the next level. To make better games, you're going to need a hell of a lot of hardware horsepower; but, there seems to be a limit to what a single CPU can do.
 
Xbox 2: Extremely powerful with mostly traditional input. $300

PlayStation 3: Extremely powerful with traditional and 3D camera input. $300

Revolution: Decent performance with untraditional (but stupid) input. $250
 
Revolution: Decent performance with untraditional (but stupid) input.

Why is stupid?

You are pretty safe about saying that Xbox2 and Ps3 will be "extremely" powerful (just as "extremely powerful" than Playstation 1 to 2 or more "extremely"?).

But I´m curious to know how do you know the next Nintendo machine will have "decent performance" (based on what?) and what is more interesting, you know that the input is untraditional and "stupid", so I suppose you have a great knowledge of it, could you share it with us if you are not under a NPD or something like that?

I say this because I suppose this is not of one of that post that only pretend to annoy the fans of certain company, isn´t?

And about the topic, I believe there are not a lot of things you can take as sure. The PC thing is something I saw too with Playstation 2 and is pretty clear that the PC hasn´t loose vitality, so I wouldn´t believe it (the difference comes from the users after all).

It´s more, with Nvidia developing for Sony and ATI for Microsoft and Nintendo, I believe that whatever you will see in a next generation console will be catched in 1 year or less for the PC. It will be another generational jump like the last one.
 
snapty00 said:
Xbox 2: Extremely powerful with mostly traditional input. $300

PlayStation 3: Extremely powerful with traditional and 3D camera input. $300

Revolution: Decent performance with untraditional (but stupid) input. $250


I bet youll be surprised about the Decent part of Revolution.....
 
snapty00 said:
Revolution: Decent performance with untraditional (but stupid) input. $250
I'm as eager to harp about Revolution's input as anybody, but I'm still gonna wait till I know what it is.

IHBT, etc..
 
snapty00 said:
Revolution: Decent performance with untraditional (but stupid) input. $250
We'll see on both of those.

I find it amusing that so many people are pre-emptively downplaying the Revolution's horsepower so early in the game.
 
The difference this gen is the inclusion of HDTV, gamers next gen will have the opportunity to experince gaming in high resolution, all though they can today with some select Xbox titles, next gen consoles will be pumping every texture, pixel,texel at a higher resolution as well.

Then you include the fact consoles will be able to connect to P.C montiors out of the box, for obvious reasons.
 
human5892 said:
We'll see on both of those.

I find it amusing that so many people are pre-emptively downplaying the Revolution's horsepower so early in the game.

Its MS money, many assume that because their the wealthiest company in the gaming market, no matter what situation MS is in, they will come out on top of Nintendo technically.

Even though Sony has more money than Nintendo and they couldn't out do Nintendo when dealing with year gap.
 
human5892 said:
We'll see on both of those.

I find it amusing that so many people are pre-emptively downplaying the Revolution's horsepower so early in the game.

Probably because Nintendo has been downplaying the importance of graphics to consumers.
 
Redbeard said:
Probably because Nintendo has been downplaying the importance of graphics to consumers.
Iwata has made a few comments about graphics not being an instant solution to success anymore (which BTW I don't necessarily agree with), but he has also stated that the Revolution will match PS3/Xenon in features.
 
Gaijin To Ronin said:
Why is stupid?

You are pretty safe about saying that Xbox2 and Ps3 will be "extremely" powerful (just as "extremely powerful" than Playstation 1 to 2 or more "extremely"?).

But I´m curious to know how do you know the next Nintendo machine will have "decent performance" (based on what?) and what is more interesting, you know that the input is untraditional and "stupid", so I suppose you have a great knowledge of it, could you share it with us if you are not under a NPD or something like that?
He doesn't know anything, he's trolling, duh.
 
snapty00 said:
Xbox 2: Extremely powerful with mostly traditional input. $300

PlayStation 3: Extremely powerful with traditional and 3D camera input. $300

Revolution: Decent performance with untraditional (but stupid) input. $250

STFU fanboy.
 
All hype aside, the Revolution is going to introduce amazing new features for videogames and pretty much change the face of the industry as we know it.
 
xsarien said:
So has Microsoft.

They've stressed that software will be the key to success next generation, which is not exactly the same thing.

human5892 said:
Iwata has made a few comments about graphics not being an instant solution to success anymore (which BTW I don't necessarily agree with), but he has also stated that the Revolution will match PS3/Xenon in features.

Features are one thing, graphical capabilities are another. Another thing he's said is that we can look at the DS to get an idea as to the direction they're heading with revolution. Looking at the DS we see a system that gets pounded graphically by it's competitor, but incorporates different, unique functionality.
 
Bacon said:
All hype aside, the Revolution is going to introduce amazing new features for videogames and pretty much change the face of the industry as we know it.
You can't be serious...
 
Like someone else elegantly put it the analogy of power will probably look like this:

PS3>>Revolution>=Xenon
 
Bacon said:
All hype aside, the Revolution is going to introduce amazing new features for videogames and pretty much change the face of the industry as we know it.

Do you know something or just speculating?
 
Hype: PS3 will be 50x more powerful than PS2. Xenon will have parts that are worth $4000 in todays dollars. Revolution is real.

Reality: PS3 and Xenon will be more powerful than PS2 and Xbox, respectively. Revolution is fake.
 
Redbeard said:
They've stressed that software will be the key to success next generation, which is not exactly the same thing.

If you split hairs, sure. But the fact that both companies are stressing software over horsepower means that they're finally realizing that graphics can only help so much before people start to expect more than shallow tech demos at $50 a pop.
 
I wonder what Nintendo is gonna do to make the Revolution different than the rest of the crowd.
 
Hype: Expecting posts with a little of development.

Reality:

Revolution is fake.

STFU fanboy.

the Revolution is going to introduce amazing new features for videogames and pretty much change the face of the industry as we know it.

Revolution: Decent performance with untraditional (but stupid) input. $250

And the one that say me something in the line "this is GAF" or something like that gets another cookie.
 
f_elz said:
I wonder what Nintendo is gonna do to make the Revolution different than the rest of the crowd.

The real question is: I wonder what the rest of the crowd is going to do to try to compete with the Revolution?
 
Gaijin To Ronin said:
Hype: Expecting posts with a little of development.

Reality:









And the one that say me something in the line "this is GAF" or something like that gets another cookie.


I'm sorry but that is my way of replying to stupid trolls like snapty, and since the mods are unable to ban him since he's probably a mod's/admin's "joke" character (or his true fanboy self) I'll continue to reply to this clown like this.
 
Hey, you never know with this place.

It´s not that bad ;)

I'm sorry but that is my way of replying to stupid trolls like snapty, and since the mods are unable to ban him since he's probably a mod's/admin's "joke" character (or his true fanboy self) I'll continue to reply to this clown like this.

Take it or not, is free, I know GAF for years, and that way of thinking will drive you to a permaban soon or later. Now you can tell me that "you don´t care" or something like that, I have seen it before.

There is no reason to be angry about words and opinions, much less in internet. Try to counter with something creative or be ready to give a well documented opinion, or just leave it alone and simply put your opinion about the issue. We should be here for enjoy a chat about videogames, for knowledge, or for fun, there are things here to be enjoyed.
 
Gaijin To Ronin said:
It´s not that bad ;)



Take it or not, is free, I know GAF for years, and that way of thinking will drive you to a permaban soon or later. Now you can tell me that "you don´t care" or something like that, I have seen it before.

There is no reason to be angry about words and opinions, much less in internet. Try to counter with something creative or be ready to give a well documented opinion, or just leave it alone and simply put your opinion about the issue. We should be here for enjoy a chat about videogames, for knowledge, or for fun, there are things here to be enjoyed.

To tell you the truth I care if a get banned. :) You're right though there is no reason to get pissed off for fanboys like snapty. He's not even worth it.
 
Redbeard said:
Features are one thing, graphical capabilities are another.
As someone else said, I think you're splitting hairs here a bit; "features" can likely be inferred to mean performance, especially when accounting for the fact that the original statement had to be translated.

Also: the Revolution's GPU is being developed at ATi, the same company that is doing the Xenon. The Xenon hardware is more or less finalized at this point (2004 tech), while the Revolution's is likely far off (2005 tech). This alone would provide for a strong possibility that the Revolution will at least be on equal footing with Xenon.
 
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