xHunter
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or this one
like someone said earlier, google trends is not so good, since changing one letter/number shows different results
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like someone said earlier, google trends is not so good, since changing one letter/number shows different results
SenjutsuSage
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As for people seriously trying to say the PS5 has somehow horrible or inefficient GPU performance simply because of 18% less Tflops?
See what I did here?
Also
Microsoft themselves seems to disagree with you here:
MS touting their slow ass SSD as their most innovative features
Nobody said the PS5 was horrible and inefficient though, only that it will clearly be outperformed by the Xbox Series X based on the information we possess. There are actually posters in the thread saying the Xbox Series X has a horrible inefficient I/O system. I didn't bother to quote the poster because it was just a waste to do.
And the SSD isn't the velocity architecture all by its lonesome, so you have your information crossed there. Velocity Architecture is the SSD, the Hardware Decompression unit with BCPack compression support, the new DirectX extension DirectStorage, an I/O system specially built for gaming and that significantly cuts down CPU load, leaving more available for games, and finally Sampler Feedback Streaming, a technique that loads GPU textures into physical RAM in a far superior, less wasteful fashion compared to how it's done today, potentially leading to an effective physical memory multiplying effect of 2-3x, and the same was said to be true for the system I/O performance.
Those 4 things together is what Microsoft calls the soul of their system. But do keep getting it wrong. And I'm amazed the SSD is being called slow. That thing ain't slow, which will make it all the more interesting when that "slow ass" SSD ends up keeping up with the PS5 SSD in actual gameplay scenarios. I can't wait for those games to appear, then we can have these types of conversations with undeniable game results.
Also if you don't believe that the CPU is the biggest upgrade this gen of consoles, then you really don't understand this stuff as well as you think you do. Swap in the I/O system and SSDs of both systems into the current gen predecessors, and no way is the impact as big as if both systems had Zen 2 CPU cores instead. Developers said it all generation long, the weak Jaguar CPUs were the biggest limiting factor. SSDs are great, but they don't carry the potential to change and impact games nearly as much as far more capable CPUs do. Many PCs won't have hard drives matching or beating what the Series X and PS5 can do, and it won't matter one bit.
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
sigrad
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I dint quite understand your math.
XB1 was 1.3, then 1.4 tflops vs Sony's 1.84 tflops. 40%
XB1X is 6 flops vs PS4s 4.2 tflops. 40%
XSX 12.1 tflops vs. 10.2 tflops. 18%?
Is that right? Seems off.
How does a .4 tflop difference result in a 900p to 1080p disparity but a 1.9 tflop difference will hardly be noticeable?
Pus we still don't know what each machine is packing still. How can you make claims like this when there are still unknowns for each console?
sigrad
Member
I dint quite understand your math.
XB1 was 1.3, then 1.4 tflops vs Sony's 1.84 tflops. 40%
XB1X is 6 flops vs PS4s 4.2 tflops. 40%
XSX 12.1 tflops vs. 10.2 tflops. 18%?
Is that right? Seems off.
How does a .4 tflop difference result in a 900p to 1080p disparity but a 1.9 tflop difference will hardly be noticeable?
Pus we still don't know what each machine is packing still. How can you make claims like this when there are still unknowns for each console?
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
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Some interesting discussion from Beyond3D on certain GPU features, in the XSX thread.
iroboto:
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iroboto:
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. These kind of advancements would be great for next-gen, and I always wondered how far you could customize GPUs to essentially run their own code without needing the CPU to issue the commands to them.
Remember these are just fellow people speculating on next-gen features like the rest of us, but this particular topic caught my attention.
iroboto:
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iroboto:
Highlighted the particularly interesting parts. Hope these dudes don't mind me copypasting their quotes
. These kind of advancements would be great for next-gen, and I always wondered how far you could customize GPUs to essentially run their own code without needing the CPU to issue the commands to them.Remember these are just fellow people speculating on next-gen features like the rest of us, but this particular topic caught my attention.
Dory16
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If that was true then Sony wouldn't ever have to make any effort to win a generation. They would just show up and run out of consoles to sell straight away just off the power of their brand name. We all know that's not what happens in reality. They trailed the Xbox360 almost the entire previous generation. People actually educate themselves about which console performs better, even if they don't understand technical specs. Their techie friends tell them. The staff at gamestop tells them. The advert on MTV saying "the worlds' most powerful console" tells them (yes that was the PS4 advert). Sorry to say but the notion that people ask "which console is Sony's?" and just buy that one is fanboy delirium.
FranXico
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Because in one case, you are comparing GPUs that are both less than 2TF capable, and in the other, GPUs that perform at at least 10TF.
It's that oddly foreign concept of scale and order of magnitude that people conveniently forget.
It's getting tiring.
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M-V2
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Dude sometimes I really think that you're not the same person lol, calm down Sony won't react because you said so, with all due respect you're not smarter than the people who work at marketing they know what they're doing. Sony don't give a flying fuck if some people spread FUD about them, they know very well what a damn controller reveal did to public and that reveal overshadowed inside Xbox as well lol.
Goodle trends is really bad. For instance you can differ between brand and just search term which gives you different results...
Like for PlayStation (brand) and PlayStation (search term). At least the trend is the same:
Best example of that is when using PlayStation 4 (game console) and PlayStation 4 (search term). Two completely different results.
Neo Blaster
Member
You make it looks like there's this huge performance gap between the two consoles, when the delta is less than half of current generation. Just chill out, this is not going to be another 'resolutiongate', I believe DF comparisons will be much more boring this time.
3liteDragon
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Kusarigama
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Check out the RE3 remake df video. The performance delta between the base consoles with 0.5 TFLOPS difference and then the performance delta between the Pro and X with 1.8TFLOPS difference between them.
Edit 1: initially the framerate on X was much lower but resolution was higher than Pro. After the patch on X, the framerate improved and resolution is exactly same as Pro now.
Keep in mind that FLOPS count is peak theoritical value. If the console is easier to develop for then it will be easier for developers to hit the peak value more often or hit next to peak value more often.
Edit 2: RDR2 was able to hit much higher resolution on X than on Pro. So the mileage varies with different developers.
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FranXico
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The differences will be noticeable in different ways this time. Such as ray-tracing, probably.
SonGoku
Member
You are missing what makes TE an existing prospect, i'll summarize in three points
- Dedicated hardware with plenty of processing power means audio doesn't have to be compromised anymore due to fighting for resources with graphics
- Having 100s of complex audio sources hasn't been done in gaming before, its an exiting concept, even a simple upported version of TLOU2 with this implemented would be a big deal
- Each PS5 coming with this by default means devs are more likely to go ham with it instead of treating it like an afterthought
I don't think either Sony/MS are modifying basic RDNA2 features (RT, TSS, Mesh Shaders etc) that are built into the design, AMDs the expert already doing the best possible implementation of the feature. It hasn't been the case this gen that consoles & pc had different designs of the same features.
Custom unique features that aren't widely useful outside of the specific console design like cache scrubbers or pipeline modifications/optimizations to minimize bottlenecks and maximize performance.
Those are the type of customizations being alluded not unique implementations of core RDNA2 features that were part of the design since its inception
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
LOL!
I am sure MS marketing and product Execs who came up with the xbox one, and Sony's PS3 execs are also smarter than me, but smart people make mistakes. I think we all agree that Cerny's presentation being the first true PS5 reveal was a terrible idea by some very smart people.
Aceofspades
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Let's hope for a Sony surprise tomorrow..
xHunter
Member
Interesting, didnt know that they have specific categories for the search terms. Thanks for the explanation!
Well well well....looks like the GitHub folders that were about the Next-gen consoles weren't hosted by AMD after all, they were hacked or leaked from a worker at AMD and the ones who hosted those folders on GitHub were a bunch of Xbox fanboys like Hmqgg and the others as well, which is why we have that mysterious Reddit leak that was in January 2019, that clearly stated Lockhart being 4+ TF console, PS5 +8 TF (it was Ariel at that time with 36 CUs at 1800 MHz), and finally, Xbox Series X being 12 TF console.
Hmqgg even admitted it on Twitter and then made his Twitter account private, that Xbox fanboy infested Discord named "Xbox Era Discord" which has guys like Spechal Ed, TimDog, ProElite, Colbert, Klobrille, Colteastwood, and even Digital Foundry's own Alex Battaglia is in there, no wonder they were acting like they're insiders or "in the know" when Mark Cerny 1st revealed some of the specs inside the PS5 back in April 16th, 2019, they were saying that Xbox Scarlett was gonna be "more powerful and more advanced" (Which at that time, the GitHub leak that was posted by Hmqgg was stating that PS5 won't be having VRS, no HW RT, 8 TF Ariel GPU codename, RDNA 1, Navi 10 Lite).....So......we can conclude that it was some Watch Dogs hacking-level territory LMAO!! And it even disproves what Klobrille at that time, he said that PS5 is weaker and less advanced, weaker? Yes, slightly weaker GPU-wise, but it is as advanced as XSX which is RDNA 2 GPU.
The GitHub leak is 50/50 true, so it wasn't the full story as some Xbox fanboys wanted it to be, the difference between XSX and PS5 is 16% in GPU power which is really almost nothing, while PS5 has double the SSD speed.
We can conclude that:
—— GitHub folders were NOT hosted by AMD.
—— It was hosted by Hmqgg which is part of that Xbox Era Discord and I don't know how he got it, maybe he hacked it from AMD servers? From a worker at AMD? Interrigation? ???????
—— Many Xbox fanboys were wrong.
—— Xbox Era Discord is disgusting and full of disgusting fanboys that spread FUD about PS5 being 8 TF which is wrong.
—— GitHub leak was 50% wrong, 50% right.
—— Thanks toSlimySnake and @MonkeyPunch for making this very clear to us here and now we understand everything.
Xbox fanboys are very sneaky after all, but Phil Spencer will be giving them Game Pass small ass games in the end for all those 12 TFs!!
The github leak did not say anything about PS5 not having hardware RT.
The info was also quite different between Xbox Series X and PS5 chip. You could not look at the Xbox chip and read "Has X" and then look at the PS5 chip and see that it doesn't say it "Has X" and conclude that it does not have X.
PS5 and Xbox Series X GPU specs leak: how powerful is next-gen?
A remarkable story unfolded last April where it seemed that an intrepid explorer of the 3DMark benchmark database stumb…
www.eurogamer.net
"In reaction to the leak, there has been an argument suggesting that the PS5 specs are invalid because there is no mention of hardware accelerated ray tracing, whereas Arden has it confirmed (along with VRS - variable rate shading). However, the documentation for both processors is very different and can't be directly compared. A lot of AMD's validation testing for the PS5 'Oberon' processor is in the leak, whereas the Series X data is best described as somewhat patchy by comparison. If the PS5 specs are to be taken with a pinch of salt, have an armful of the stuff ready when looking at the table directly above with mooted Series X specs. "
In the end we saw that the information was pretty much spot on but not for final clocks which is pretty obvious (these things gets decided pretty late and the leak was pretty old). Both got around 10% increased clocks.
Again - dont discredit the github leak because some people speculated a little but to much about what the leak DID NOT SAY.
Neo Blaster
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Indeed different ways, we still don't know what practical differences PS5 SSD and all that I/O effort will make in games compared to XSX solution.
Metroiddarks
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Wait a second you already respond yourself, when you compare things like a GPUs you need to compare their performance in porcentaje not in flops
because now both machines are going to render games in a much higher resolution, better models, more tessellation, etc and because is Mathematical logic.
The difference still be able noticeable yeah should be but is less than ps4 vs xbox one because the percentage difference is less and second because now the
density in both new consoles is also much higher than our screen in 1080p.
I know some of you guys thinks doesn't works in this way because never try to render anything in your life.
M-V2
Member
I know what are you coming from, but until June we can't judge Sony yet. This pandemic ruined alot of things, as Soon as Sony show their games believe me you will forget about all these things that concern you.
joe_zazen
Member
Yeah, idk what went on there. They lack of any sort of stability is not a good sign at all. And Layden's departure was not the way happy retirements go down.
Having such a huge difference between cus, freq, and apu size is bizarre. You would think there would be a sweet spot for freq/cu/power that both would use, but these setups are legit different. Maybe Sony is in the sweet spot, maybe ms, maybe there are two sweets spots. But looking at it dispassionately, it is hard not to think Sony misread things and ended up having to push their apu way more. Or their back compat required symmetrical design with a multiple of 18 cus, and no way were they making a 72 cu box, so 36 was dictated by that. Cerny did emphasize how much work by amd went into making hardware based back compat. Either way, 2.2 GHZ seems crazy for a console when the competition is sitting at 1.8. Very mysterious, lol.
I cant wait until we can get a better picture of what went down post launch of consoles and rdna2 cards, and what games will be shown. Launch period will fun. I really hope we can laugh at these concern posts in 9 months.
Jerm411
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Does this make Nintendo Sektor? :-\
FranXico
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Nintendo would be Ermac.
mitchman
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You cannot patent a name, and I find nothing that points to MS having a registered trademark on VRS. There is no (r) symbol anywhere I can see, and NVidia is using it actively for marketing purposes.
pasterpl
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New Halo Infinite Videos Show the Making of Sound Effects
343 Industries released new videos showing scenes from the development of its upcoming game Halo Infinite focusing on sound design.
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LED Guy?
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But it did state Navi 10 Lite which is not RDNA 2, so....it is wrong 50/50, it got leaked after all and Hmqgg is the one who hosted that GitHub page, not AMD.The github leak did not say anything about PS5 not having hardware RT.
The info was also quite different between Xbox Series X and PS5 chip. You could not look at the Xbox chip and read "Has X" and then look at the PS5 chip and see that it doesn't say it "Has X" and conclude that it does not have X.
PS5 and Xbox Series X GPU specs leak: how powerful is next-gen?
A remarkable story unfolded last April where it seemed that an intrepid explorer of the 3DMark benchmark database stumb…
"In reaction to the leak, there has been an argument suggesting that the PS5 specs are invalid because there is no mention of hardware accelerated ray tracing, whereas Arden has it confirmed (along with VRS - variable rate shading). However, the documentation for both processors is very different and can't be directly compared. A lot of AMD's validation testing for the PS5 'Oberon' processor is in the leak, whereas the Series X data is best described as somewhat patchy by comparison. If the PS5 specs are to be taken with a pinch of salt, have an armful of the stuff ready when looking at the table directly above with mooted Series X specs. "
In the end we saw that the information was pretty much spot on but not for final clocks which is pretty obvious (these things gets decided pretty late and the leak was pretty old). Both got around 10% increased clocks.
Again - dont discredit the github leak because some people speculated a little but to much about what the leak DID NOT SAY.
No.
That was from the Gonzalo leak back in April 2019 (from 3D Marks result database)
The Github leak pretty much killed the Gonzalo leak.
So - github leak was right 100% (but not final clocks since MS/Sony/AMD themselves did not know were they would end up at the time).
Cobenzl
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I don't think so - to address your last point on fanboy delerium. I think it's about the perceived quality and breadth of the gaming experiences available and people have their favourites. The ecosystem they've invested in, where their friends play, what's affordable, etc.
I'd suggest more people know what they're buying for a next gen console than are sitting on the fence.
Hobbygaming
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Bo_Hazem
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Seriously!?Talk about missing entirely what I was doing. And btw.. you do realize that State of Decay that you saw running on Series X isn't actually designed with any Xbox Series X features in mind, right?
As for people seriously trying to say the Xbox Series X has somehow horrible or inefficient I/O performance when we saw the damn thing quickly switch between 5-6 different games with roughly 8 seconds tops in between each, yea.. I don't know about that one. None of those games were actually designed for the Series X's capabilities also. And of course the PS5 SSD sounds very impressive, but I really don't believe outside of initial loads people are going to be seeing the SSD advantages they are hoping to see in game comparisons. And why is that? It's not that Sony's first parties won't do unbelievable things, they will. The problem? People are MIGHTILY overestimating what an SSD can bring to the experience and greatly downplaying the role that the CPU and GPU play. Make no mistake, the CPUs are the biggest game changers coming into this generation, not the SSD. Then when you factor in the significant efficiency improvements of the GPU architectures this time around, along with the features already confirmed for the Series X, I just don't see any realistic scenario where any other announced console is somehow going to run circles around this thing simply because of a much faster SSD.
But the best part is we will have the chance to find out, won't we?
Loading is the same, overal it's better than SATA 3. PS5 version hit 0.8sec with both 8-15sec loading screens as reported because it's not optimized, and that was as reported the slow version with silver tower. So far, the difference is massive due to no bottlenecks in PS5.
ethomaz
Banned
It was really a great presentation.
Just not an E3 one but GDC.
ethomaz
Banned
It is weird these quotes because nothing they says is hardware related.Some interesting discussion from Beyond3D on certain GPU features, in the XSX thread.
iroboto:
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iroboto:
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Remember these are just fellow people speculating on next-gen features like the rest of us, but this particular topic caught my attention.
It is just like PS5's API vs DX12 API.
Just different software logic (with PS5's API being more close to metal due targeting one single platform) to the same result.
AMD's command processor is programmable... MS did that with XB1, Sony did that with PS4.... both will do with new Xbox and PS5... it is just how the AMD GPU command processor works.
And that other part of VRS being different in Xbox is because MS has patented a software logic do do VRS... it still needs the AMD and nVidia hardware but the logic is exclusive to MS DX12.
Sony will probably have a logic for VRS that will use t he AMD hardware too.
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Games Dean
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Dude seriously? Schreier has already said that Sony will be moving its first party on to ps5 at launch. Take your emotion out of it and ask yourself this question. Why would Sony have it's studios work on cross gen games when they've invested so heavily in an SSD that the PS4 doesn't have? That wouldn't make any sense nor does it fit with Cerny's messaging for why they invested so heavily in top of the line SSD tech.
The masses have shown that they are responding to how Sony's slowly sharing info and the vast majority don't care about any of the stuff we talk about on this site or others like it.
I think you'll look back at this and think it was quite silly this summer once they show their games. And did you think the same people would run Playstation forever? The only weird departure was Layden's and I think that can just be summed up to Jack Ryan getting the top job over him.
Chill with the doom and gloom. Cerny knows what he's doing and both Playstation and Xbox are going to deliver great experiences in the near future.
Hobbygaming
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Yep, Sony probably already has a similar extension in GNM already for the PS5
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
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All of this is true, but there's nothing in the quotes I posted which contradict anything you've just mentioned here, either. Both can be true. We don't even know the full extent of RDNA2's featureset in terms of what are considered the common features.
They do allude to a possible hardware-related feature, however. An AMD engineer who worked on the XSX side of things had a post on Linkdn a long while back where they talked about that system's APU and mentioned ARM-related work on the APU. We all know AMD CPUs have an ARM core on them for security-related functions, so it makes no sense to mention that if such was the only extent of ARM implementation.
I'm just leaving options open here to see what customizations may've been had given info already mentioned and patent info that has been found.
It's an implementation of the technique that can be patented.
Sony have already hinted they've done exactly this with the Geometry Engine, which is essentially a rebranding of the Primitive Shaders in RDNA2, with some customizatons. If either company sees basic features that can be enhanced to benefit specific use-cases of their consoles, there's no reason for them to leave them at the RDNA2 default. It's a part of the customization process both systems are using for their APUs anyway.
To the other things you mentioned, yes those are part of the process behind customizations as well. It's part of the reason I posted the Beyond 3D posts here too because those speculate on possible hardware customizations to compliment API stacks.
Bo_Hazem
Banned
Yup, I read that LDAC is way better than bluetooth and can play up to 990kbps audio compared to 320kbps on bluetooth? Which should be smart to use for both 1000XM3/4 or next PS headset to take advantage of it:
Sony Corporation - LDAC™ developer site | Uncompromising wireless listening technology from Sony. LDAC provides music experiences with supreme sound quality.
Developers site of LDAC which is a state of the art audio technology that allows you to enjoy music in Hi-Res sound quality. It can transmit approximately three times the amount of data than can be done with conventional Bluetooth transmissions.
aptX Adaptative is nice as well for up to 420kbps for other applications that might support it but not LDAC. I found a Sony amp while looking, what do you think of this:
USB DAC Headphone Amplifier
PHA-1A
Looks small but probably exceeds 1000XM3 specs (meaning it needs even better headsets to take advantiage of?) and as blasphemous as your $1099 amp in terms of price.
Would it be smart to buy it and use it with let's say XM3 (40kHz max) or XM4? As it's rated as 10Hz-100kHz. I see it advertized with both the walkman and Xperia (I'm a 15-years-streak Sony phone user).
Sorry if I'm asking too many questions.
ethomaz
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Yeap an additional ARM or custom units inside the APU to do custom Xbox things is believable.
It is just that custom command processor meaning as a hardware change is really hard to believe... these AMD GPU units that works won't be changed in any APU imo.... AMD took years to make it works like it is today to come some external and ask to change it.
The base of both Zen 2 and RDNA 2 are unchanged in both consoles... MS and Sony added custom silicon units for what they find be better for their needs.
How many units? Well we don't know except some that Sony said in the presentation.
SonGoku
Member
I don't think lockart if it exists will have a lower speced CPU the idea is to match XSX at 1080p (graphics parity)
- Same CPU
- 500GB SSD at 2.4GB/s raw
- 12GB GDDR6 192bit bus 336GB/s - 11GB available to games (less OS features)
- 4-6TF GPU
Is geometry processor = geometry engine ?
You do realize this is an oxymoron right?
Bo_Hazem
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So 20GB/s is not taxing? Even if 5%, you know that it's only 18.19% (10.28 vs 12.15TF) and 5-10% could close the gap with that offloaded to the Tempest? Of course, don't bring the XSX chip as it's only meant to offload the CPU to free the starving 10GB ram.
AMD's TrueAudio Next eats up to 4 CU's out of the GPU, that's 10% out of a 40CU GPU:
I think people are underestimating this stuff. Of course, if you wanna enjoy current gen audio then that's probably a 1%, but XSX would have a massive disadvantage if they plan so, and they won't so it'll be GPU taxing, but not on PS5.
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Remember these are just fellow people speculating on next-gen features like the rest of us, but this particular topic caught my attention.
These are wishful thinking at best.
RDNA2 cannot create work for itself AFAIK. there are some bandages here and there for ray-tracing (using work creation from CPU would be too slow).
But not for any shaders/states.
Generic GPU work creation would benefit PC the most, because in PC CPU->GPU sync path is the longest and most cumbersome.
For console it's not that bad, but obviously it would benefit consoles too.
SonGoku
Member
They didn't though, he just said "'ps5 has a new unit called geometry engine ". A type of Geometry Engine already exists on RDNA even if it isn't as capable as what would be the RDNA2 version. What makes you say its a rebranding?
Thats my point though AMD already has implemented core features the best possible way, if there are specific use case modifications it will be in the surrounding logic to eliminate possible bottlenecks or by introducing unique features specific to the design. There isn't a precedent for altering core features in consoles only. Their collaboration with Sony in designing the PS4 chip for example saw them improve a core feature (ACEs) and this improvement was implemented on discrete cards as well.
In short: I don't think its likely for core features to be improved in a way that'll only be useful to the specific console design
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thicc_girls_are_teh_best
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So 20GB/s is not taxing? Even if 5%, you know that it's only 18.19% (10.28 vs 12.15TF) and 5-10% could close the gap with that offloaded to the Tempest? Of course, don't bring the XSX chip as it's only meant to offload the CPU to free the starving 10GB ram.
AMD's TrueAudio eats up to 4 CU's out of the GPU, that's 10% out of a 40CU GPU:
I think people are underestimating this stuff. Of course, is you wanna enjoy current gen audio then that's probably a 1%, but XSX would have a massive disadvantage if they plan so, and they won't so it'll be GPU taxing, but not on PS5.
Where are you getting 20% from? That's the whole reason I said it was questionable; an engineering member from the Xbox team themselves laughed off that figure and said it won't be anywhere near it. I think we can take them on their word with something like that, because when you think it out, it's a ridiculous amount.
Also you're using AMD's graphic when this has probably been something customized on XSX particularly because of things like the dedicated audio chip. We already know the consoles are not using 100% the same RDNA2 feature set as the PC side, that includes at the silicon level.
All in all I think you're overshooting on the 20% figure by a good deal.
I mean, the idea of cache scrubbers also sounded kind of "believable" until it was actually mentioned by Cerny. I wouldn't put this type of stuff out of the realms of possibility until we get all the details on the APUs.
Another way to look at it is, if it's a potentially common-place feature on RDNA2 systems, then by some logic so would something like cache scrubbers, since that seems like something which would benefit the PC side of things and Sony have said that some PS5 custom features may see implementation in PC GPU cards through successful initiatives between them and AMD, this was mentioned in the presentation.
That's one take, but crazier things have happened. It might be something worth considering in any case, and I found them interesting, hence quoting them.
The idea isn't so much creating work for itself, but keeping the GPU busy so that stalls and saturation of units is a thing of the past. To maximize efficiency of the hardware within, essentially.
LED Guy?
Banned
It wasn't right as it was Navi 10 Lite.
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
Member
Well here's the thing: what makes you think features like cache scrubbers are only beneficial to the console side of things? The idea of cache scrubbers sounds like it would have benefits beyond a single console design, i.e it seems like it'd be present in RDNA2 as a core feature (even if the nomenclature is different), so shouldn't it be assumed fair to consider that might be a modification of existing RDNA2 hardware logic?
Other than that I agree with the general idea you're presenting, because the work required to do so would be counter-productive especially considering it would still need AMD's direct involvement and they would be silly to not develop a potentially essential feature for sply one product and let them have exclusive reign with it.
Bo_Hazem
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Well, it's obvious that The Tempset 3D is way, way stronger than AMD's TrueAudio. I'm not saying XSX will use 20% for audio, it'll actually use half-baked, last gen audio tech. So yes, it'll be around 1% at best.
But if you wanna match what PS5 is going to produce, hundreds of detailed audio sources with all algorithms calculated, that's capable of producing 5,000 sound sources, then you probably need much more than 4 CU's on XSX, which they'll not do.
The audio quality is going to be massive.
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