I think for texture data it will use BCPack and for the rest it will use Zlib. It seems MSFT is putting a heavy emphasis on texture data with BCPack and SFS. They could really do some impressive stuff. It's going to be exciting to see how it compares to the PS5
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MasterCornholio
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2.4 GB/s (Raw), 4.8 GB/s (Compressed, with custom hardware decompression block)
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It's 4.8 just the same as it's 8-9 for PS5.
Those are the numbers that everyone should go with since they are straight from Xbox. If there is an improvement they wont hesitate to change them.
ethomaz
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The drive speed is fixed at 2.4GB/s max.
The compression level defines the output speeds.
MS can reach 4.8GB/s via compression... 6GB2s is just baseless talk.
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Fair enough!
ethomaz
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Wrong.
PaintTinJr
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From the other things you've said, I think it is BCpack, but where I previously thought BCpack was more lossy DXT, it is just an Xbox variant of Zlib like kraken is. I already said in early posts today that I expect part of the PS5 IO complex co-processor work is transforming block compressed data - like a database balancing a binary tree when the source data being added to the tree is pre-sorted as a list - so the kraken algorithm has disorderly data to compress.
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ethomaz
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Way better gab discuss fictional numbers.
THE:MILKMAN
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Please for the love of god they should now show actual real gameplay of next-gen only games. Show us what these consoles are made of.....
ethomaz
Banned
Like I predicted two weeks ago tomorrow I believe it is the day.
21/04
Sony dropping some bombs to hold until May PS5 design reveal.
Ass of Can Whooping
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Were there rumours going around that they're supposed to do something tomorrow?
I hope so, love to just get some 4k gameplay to just watch over and over again. Bring back memories of Gamecube days of just disbelief of photos of Rogue Squadron in a magazine me and my friends bought.
ethomaz
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I believe you will see gameplay after May... June probably.
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MasterCornholio
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Same goes for the numbers that Sony gives us. If they manage to improve their SSD software they won't hesitate to update their numbers.
June damn, I would take anything right now. Like show me a bathtub with like 1 billion ray traced ducks.
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Bo_Hazem
Banned
Too much talk about SSD's filled with misinformation, ok let's see what's in hand:
PS4 Pro stock read speeds: 116.5-40.4MB/s
www.eurogamer.net
PS5 old pre-dev kit, 1 year old, slow version achieved 0.8sec vs 8sec PS4 Pro in Spider-man 2018 game (10x [900%] faster), 0.8 vs 15sec on another test according to WIRED (18x [1700%] faster).
www.wired.com
That's equivalent of: ~1.17-0.4GB/s (2.1-0.73GB/s according to WIRED)
Xbox One X stock read speeds: 112.1-36.7MB/s
www.eurogamer.net
XSX near-retail version lately achieved 11sec vs 51sec X1X in State of Decay 2 game (4.6x [360%] faster)
screenrant.com
That's equivalent of: 0.52-0.17GB/s
Conclusion: PS5 1-year-old, slow pre-dev kit is 2.25-2.35x [125-135%] faster (4-4.29x [300-329%] faster according to WIRED) than Xbox Series X near-retail version in action, using current solid evidence so far.
How about we seal it from here until we see further evidence/comparisons that we can rely on?
PS4 Pro stock read speeds: 116.5-40.4MB/s
How to cheaply upgrade your PS4 to 2TB
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www.eurogamer.net
PS5 old pre-dev kit, 1 year old, slow version achieved 0.8sec vs 8sec PS4 Pro in Spider-man 2018 game (10x [900%] faster), 0.8 vs 15sec on another test according to WIRED (18x [1700%] faster).
Exclusive: What to Expect From Sony's Next-Gen PlayStation
Don't expect it anytime in 2019, but the next PlayStation console is well on its way—and it's packing ray-tracing support and a loadtime-killing solid-state hard drive.
That's equivalent of: ~1.17-0.4GB/s (2.1-0.73GB/s according to WIRED)
Xbox One X stock read speeds: 112.1-36.7MB/s
The Xbox One hard drive upgrade guide
www.eurogamer.net
XSX near-retail version lately achieved 11sec vs 51sec X1X in State of Decay 2 game (4.6x [360%] faster)
The Xbox Series X Load Time Is Insanely Fast In This Comparison Video
A new video reveals that the Xbox Series X loads in one-fifth the time it takes the Xbox One X to load.
screenrant.com
That's equivalent of: 0.52-0.17GB/s
Conclusion: PS5 1-year-old, slow pre-dev kit is 2.25-2.35x [125-135%] faster (4-4.29x [300-329%] faster according to WIRED) than Xbox Series X near-retail version in action, using current solid evidence so far.
How about we seal it from here until we see further evidence/comparisons that we can rely on?
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MasterCornholio
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The Mad Draklor
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It can go up to speeds of 6 GB/s. That does not mean that that is the typical case. The fact that Eurogamer did not list 6 GB/s (compressed) in the spec sheet corroborates this. 4.8 GB/s is the typical compressed speed where that number can be increased up to 6 GB/s. Likewise, 8-9 GB/s is the typical Kraken compressed speed where that number can be increased up to 22 GB/s.
6 GB/s is achievable only when developers optimize BCPack provided that the compression isn't lossy. However, that is barely above the raw speed on the PS5 and still below the speeds the PS5 can achieve with decompression of "unoptimized" Kraken-compressed data.
HawarMiran
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So what will Sony drop today? 
MasterCornholio
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Bo_Hazem
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Not just him, even Paul who's repeatedly throwing XSX into the praise mix even if it's not the case, seems like an xbox apologist:
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Games Dean
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Is that SSD nonsense is over with?
Great. So what do you guys think will be the first game Microsoft shows and the first game that Sony will show?
Great. So what do you guys think will be the first game Microsoft shows and the first game that Sony will show?
They're using a HW approach to reduce the overhead on the CPU. Don't expect anything like what MSFT is doing. It's their way of doing things. Look at their BC and how they've eliminated bottlenecks in the IO bandwidth. Both paths have pros and cons.
Too much talk about SSD's filled with misinformation, ok let's see what's in hand:
PS4 Pro stock read speeds: 116.5-40.4MB/s
How to cheaply upgrade your PS4 to 2TB
Seagate sells expansion drives with USB caddies for less than the cost of the drive on its own. Take advantage of the madness for your 2TB PS4 hard drive upgrade.
PS5 old pre-dev kit, 1 year old, slow version achieved 0.8sec vs 8sec PS4 Pro in Spider-man 2018 game (10x [900%] faster), 0.8 vs 15sec on another test according to WIRED (18x [1700%] faster).
Exclusive: What to Expect From Sony's Next-Gen PlayStation
Don't expect it anytime in 2019, but the next PlayStation console is well on its way—and it's packing ray-tracing support and a loadtime-killing solid-state hard drive.
That's equivalent of: ~1.17-0.4GB/s (2.1-0.73GB/s according to WIRED)
Xbox One X stock read speeds: 112.1-36.7MB/s
The Xbox One hard drive upgrade guide
XSX near-retail version lately achieved 11sec vs 51sec X1X in State of Decay 2 game (4.6x [360%] faster)
The Xbox Series X Load Time Is Insanely Fast In This Comparison Video
A new video reveals that the Xbox Series X loads in one-fifth the time it takes the Xbox One X to load.
That's equivalent of: 0.52-0.17GB/s
Concolusion: PS5 1-year-old, slow pre-dev kit is 2.25-2.35x [125-135%] faster (4-4.29x [300-329%] faster according to WIRED) than Xbox Series X near-retail version in action, using current solid evidence so far.
How about we seal it from here until we see further evidence/comparisons that we can rely on?
Why don't we just stick with both consoles official figures? Treat everything else as unverified speculation. We'll see what is what once more official info is released. For now there is no doubt ps5
None of that means anything.
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MasterCornholio
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From what I have been reading they are using software as well.
Bo_Hazem
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Of course, what I did was to see how old version PS5 look like in action compared to XSX latest version in action. The closer you get to your SSD numbers, means lesser bottlenecks there, and vice versa.
Metroiddarks
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This situation is like:
- Third party developer: the PS5 can looks in some scenarios even better than XSX
- Xbox fan: you liar, I am sure Sony bought you
- Normal gamer: so should we believe in what Xbox PR ?
- Xbox fan: yes they know the true
- Normal gamer: but you just said the lied about the SSD bandwidth
- Xbox fan: yes you are right those bastard want to hurt the company, better believe in people like TimDog he knows things
- Normal gamer: dude that is fucking stupid
- Xbox fan: how much Sony paid you ?
We really need games at this rate we will see a stadia as a viable option for the next generation.
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Three Jackdaws
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I love Paul and his channel but calling him an Xbox Apologist could not be more accurate Lmao
SportsFan581
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How many pages do you think NeoGAF can hold?
Bo_Hazem
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I would agree with all points, but 8K is not worthless
But let's say it's unnecessary with current hardware capabilities.
LordOfChaos
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Gun for a buffer overflow at this point?
Metroiddarks
Member
I think is interesting this tweets:
-The gaming/tech channels which the dev of SIE thinks are doing are great job
-I am partially agree Sony is not doing the best work in PR stuff
-And yes us as humans love to choose a team/side
This bad PR from Sony side are doing the people actually thinks the raytracing delta will be 40% which
is not real.
And from this tweet please just give us something
-The gaming/tech channels which the dev of SIE thinks are doing are great job
-I am partially agree Sony is not doing the best work in PR stuff
-And yes us as humans love to choose a team/side
This bad PR from Sony side are doing the people actually thinks the raytracing delta will be 40% which
is not real.
And from this tweet please just give us something
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StreetsofBeige
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I think is interesting this tweets:
-The gaming/tech channels which the dev of SIE thinks are doing are great job
-I am partially agree Sony is not doing the best work in PR stuff
-And yes us as humans love to choose a team/side
This bad PR from Sony side are doing the people actually thinks the raytracing delta will be 40% which
is not real.
And from this tweet please just give us something
Matt Hargett
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Shmunter
Member
I think is interesting this tweets:
-The gaming/tech channels which the dev of SIE thinks are doing are great job
-I am partially agree Sony is not doing the best work in PR stuff
-And yes us as humans love to choose a team/side
This bad PR from Sony side are doing the people actually thinks the raytracing delta will be 40% which
is not real.
And from this tweet please just give us something
I've been kicking around the forum for months and I'm still none the wiser why a greater CU count contributes more to RT then overall processing power. Is the premise that an equivalent GPU with less CU's but higher TF due to clocks is still less RT capable? How is this possible?
Someone help!
Trainsmove
Banned
Sony's gpu slower, CPU slower, Bandwidth slower (Gpu 560GB/s to 443GB/s), bit rate slower(320bits to 256bits), Retrace slower(52 to36cu), compression of data slower (BCPack),
Teraflops slower(12. to 10 ish), and you think a SSD will over come all of that?
Just say no to drugs.
We have seen this before, o yes , Sony is using the MS talking points. "PS4 is only .4 or .5 more than us, don't worry you won't notice a thing" said 900p.
Ms "We have things in are system that we can't even talk about yet" said 1-4 years later.
Ms "we have the CPU to push the GPU" said the same CPU as PS4.
You guys of PS5 power are in for a long gen. With good games at least.
Teraflops slower(12. to 10 ish), and you think a SSD will over come all of that?
Just say no to drugs.
We have seen this before, o yes , Sony is using the MS talking points. "PS4 is only .4 or .5 more than us, don't worry you won't notice a thing" said 900p.
Ms "We have things in are system that we can't even talk about yet" said 1-4 years later.
Ms "we have the CPU to push the GPU" said the same CPU as PS4.
You guys of PS5 power are in for a long gen. With good games at least.
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Hawking Radiation
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Wait, so this former PS5 software engineer says that ray tracing is not tied to CU count?
Also interesting he mentions there are many secrets being well kept (by what i am assuming is Sony). Its no wonder they are keeping all devs silent on PS5.
Bo_Hazem
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ethomaz
Banned
It is a AMD patent where the interception units are inside the CU... so each CU has one.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
PC gamers have been wasting their time for years. Forget about cpu and gpu and ram.
First priority of building a good rig is SSD.
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Hawking Radiation
Member
There is no such thing as finished.
PS3 continued to sell after PS4 released. The same for PS2 the generation before that.
So what you're saying is that Sony is keeping devs quiet because they still have to sell PS4's ?
Metroiddarks
Member
Looks like he only is telling we are only see part of the image, the problem is we don't have much more info, so for example Sony maybe feel secure with its denoising
algorithms.
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Shmunter
Member
Sorry, answer doesn't inform me completely. I'll reframe it; is RT detached from clock speed?
Which is better at RT, assumption is both are identical architectures;
10 CU GPU at 3000mhz vs 20 CU GPU at 1000mhz?
LordOfChaos
Member
Which means it's CU's x clock speeds, like most GPU execution hardware. It's a gap, but not 40%.
Not sure where this idea that only CU count matters for RT came from. Would 1MHz at 52CUs be faster than 26 at 1GHz? Obviously not.
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Ascend
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No... His exact words were "the unit itself is capable of outputting as much as 22 GB a second, if the data happened to compress particularly well"
bitbydeath
Member
PC gamers have been on top of SSD's for years. Windows is barely usable without one.
Hobbygaming
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I wanna see Peter Parker, Nathan, Chloe, Cassie, Sam or young Sully, Aloy or Kratos, any one of these in a mix of a rasterized and partially RT environment and I'm GOOD
Bo_Hazem
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Indeed, they've thrown so much money on Ghost of Tsushima, TLOU2. No need to spoil them this early. Still, some of my friends were asking about PS4 Slim or Pro to buy, give them the bigger picture, one decided to wait for PS5 and that's 2-3 months ago.
Those ~326K sales in one week are just ridiculous this late, and PS4 Slim/Pro are still the most expensive around (most profitable at this time).
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