MasterCornholio
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About Github not telling the whole story?
That's the main thing that I've read from him and he wasn't wrong about that.
Maybe you're making a reference to something else that I didn't see yet?
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About Github not telling the whole story?
That's the main thing that I've read from him and he wasn't wrong about that.
Maybe you're making a reference to something else that I didn't see yet?
Evilms
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PS5 DualSense Controller Could Be 'One of the Best in History'
Dying Light 2 designer weighs in
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3liteDragon
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That's why I think most third-party studios will end up taking advantage of PS5's SSD, it's super easy to code for compared to the PS4's HDD (doing stuff like duplicating assets), you barely have to do anything other than indicating where you want your file to end up.
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PocoJoe
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Because you dont understand.
For games/graphics they matter, of course
For general population? No, they dont matter
Just look switch, not even 1tflops and still sells.
People barely know what cpu is, they just dont care about tech deeply.
"Electricity comes from wall"-level of knowledge
LED Guy?
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Oh my! It's because I state the truth isn't it? Some of them fanboys (and I KNOW WHO THEY ARE) are really silly and are allergic to facts.Your post is probably being discussed in a certain discordand then mysteriously a force will try to report you and ban you
Metroiddarks
Member
So your logic is:
a)The tech demo was running in a PS4 pro
b)Any game can look as a tech demo of the same hardware
So:
Any game can looks like as the tech demo
The problem is you argument b that should be "Usually a game doesn't looks as good as the tech demo". Because you are
basically failing in the fallacy Begging the question.
Because the code of that tech demo is already running in the hardware not an approximation to that like
Ubisoft did with Watch Dogs years ago and put as example maybe the simple kind of game a Walking
simulator where you only have few interactions with the environments so is not much more code to be
running in the same time.
Also example the last COD looks much better than this:
I don't consider this tech demo looks better than the top graphics of PS4:
I am agree with you in the part a complex game like a normal open world is almost impossible to looks like that in PS4 pro but
not in "simple" genres.
TLZ
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Makes sense.
TearInto5th
Member
Hmmm, all this clock speed speak. I reckon if MS used some form of variable frequency that would allow the GPU or CPU to take some idle workload thats not needed on the CPU to boost the GPU up to 2Ghz, that the warriors would be all over it that MS made a smart decision, because they made the most efficient console.
Neo Blaster
Member
English is not my native language, what does 'a wash' mean in this case?
Bo_Hazem
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To have 52CU's against 36CU's and only get a 15% theoretical advantage isn't really impressive, but I think they didn't know about this technique and is the collaboration of Sony and AMD, which mostly likely will give Sony a step in better BOM as they're using on their other products "IF" it's a collaborative tech.
36CU's should make more yeilds as well, and could comfortably be associated in the next PS5 Pro to even get much more better cut from the BOM instead of different dies with less sales combined.
Probably referring to new cloths colors vs after a wash?
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44alltheway
Member
The person who quoted him didn't do a great job. By a wash, he means that the differences won't be too noticeable.
Shmunter
Member
Should be a shoe in on PS5/XsX. Man we're gonna see some stuff indeed.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Good point.
And a system with a 20% gpu speed advantage and SSD at over double the speed, yet still being less powerful isn't really impressive either
Bo_Hazem
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Do you understand what I mean? PS5 could comfortably be priced at $400 according to rumored BOM's ($450) and give a doublekick to both Lockhart at around $350-300 (Unknown) and XSX $550-500 ($460-520 BOM).
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
So Sony will sell PS5 for a $50 loss, and MS will sell for a $30-40 profit to make your retail price gap as large as possible.
Got it.
Bo_Hazem
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Would you give guarantees to AMD that you'll sell 100+ million series X? Will you give the same 100+ million for Lockhart (different die, unlike PS4/PS4 Pro using the same die but doubled in the Pro). If you don't meet your expectations, expect penalties from AMD's end.
Tetragrammaton_Knight
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Bo_Hazem
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Ok, I'll stop. It's unknown, but you seem to have insider info, could you help us out here (sources)?
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SSfox
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Many people are comparing PS5 to PS3 but it's not the same case, while PS5 is a super unique and highly customize console it's not as hard and complicate for devs to deal with as PS3. PS5 is actually even easier than PS4 and also XSX, there is a reason on why SSD was the most requested feature from devs and why Sony put so much emphasis on it and all the stuffs around it, it will make things much smoother for devs, while the games will be much more impressive.
Many people think that XSX will be the lead console for next gen multiplat games because it's "easier" to develop in, well that's not true because PS5 should be even more easier and the devs themself seems to be much more excited about PS5 and SSD is the feature devs seems to be the most excited about, time will tell but i think lot of 3rd party devs may go for Lead PS5, and this is definitely going to be the case if PS5 is gonna be the console that will sell better. The only way most of games will be lead XSX imo is only if XSX will sell better than PS5. (Of course deals are gonna be made for some multiplat games here and there as usual like AC with XO or RDR2 with PS4)
splattered
Member
Haha sorry I am just poking a bunch today... everyone is so sensitive right now, ill stop.
SenjutsuSage
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At least we would know where the baseline is. 1825MHz.
splattered
Member
Tetragrammaton_Knight
perm reply ban warning for FUD in nextGen
Ok, if you jumped on the train only recently and haven't been monitoring the progress - the first legit next-gen consoles leak, back from Jan 2019:
James Sawyer Ford
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Lockhart has a lot of expensive fixed costs
APU with Zen 2 and 20CUs
16GB RAM with less bandwidth
SSD with perhaps a bit less capacity
it will be at least 300.
250 seems like a pipe dream unless MS wants to absorb a massive loss
LED Guy?
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Yeah I agree, I really hope Lockhart dies and won't be revealed at all, but it looks hope is all lost, I mean, we all know Lockhart (or the Xbox Series S as many are already calling it that way) will sell much higher than Series X and this will make developers target Lockhart as the main console, but I hope PS5 DESTROYS Lockhart to the point of making it irrelevant so developers will say "F it" and then they develop their games solely for PS5 and Series X (because they are very close in power).
But if not, then Sony exclusives will have the most next-gen flare and ambitions than any other developer that are going to be hamstrung by Lockhart, and PS5's SSD to be fully utilized as well.
Bo_Hazem
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Well, 1 year and 3 months old, placing PS5 at $400. let's work around the rumors then:
According to Sams, there are multiple reasons for this. For starters, there's the fact that developers were having to make sure that their games would run on both the consoles. With Lockhart being significantly less powerful, games would as such have to be designed to run on it, and then scaled up to run on Anaconda as well, which would put them at a disadvantage as compared to the PS5 from a visuals and technical perspective.
LED Guy?
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I see:
Xbox Series X $500
PlayStation 5 $450 (if Sony is gonna take huge losses, then I can see it being $400 which is a fuckin steal).
Xbox Series S $350 - $300
So MSFT the guys that have 90% market share of PC and have a big lineup of hardware DON'T know how create a PC and Sony Does ?? Are you for real dude get a life and get real and humble
Tetragrammaton_Knight
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Nope, most probably XSS will have :
- Reused APU chips not passing for XSX (basically for free).
- 12Gb of RAM with less bandwidth.
- Same 1Gb SSD.
- No Blu-ray drive
- Much simpler and cheaper motherboard, cooling, power unit and case.
- AND the most important thing - because you won't have disc drive, you'll be buying games digitally (more profit for MS) and most probably use GamePass (again more profits for MS).
So, all in all, if XSX can fit into $500 retail price, XSS can easily be $250 and it would generate more profit to MS than an XSX with disc drive.
Also, if PS5 after latest redesign will go for $450-500 instead of initially targeted $400, MS could potentially increase XSS price to $300 to make even more money on it, IMHO.
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Tetragrammaton_Knight
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We have a legit leaked target prices for XSX and XSS. Why imagining and "seeing" $350-300???
Bo_Hazem
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Have you used Windows before? If not, I've been using it since 1996. Ask someone how he feels about it compared to Mac and Linux. Microsoft is dropping Windows and favoring Linux for their servers lately as well, and might even shift totally to Linux:
2001: Linux is cancer, says Microsoft. 2019: Hey friends, ah, can we join the official linux-distros mailing list, plz?
Windows giant cheered on by Linux Foundation as it seeks membership of private security-focused message board
www.theregister.co.uk
They are a software-based company with some hardware work, Sony is a hardware-based company with some software work and superior gaming history.
By the way, they are not PC's, they're consoles, and I have a life and I'm humble.
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SenjutsuSage
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Yep, after reading that post I'm officially out lol. People have officially gone off the rails. Microsoft, operating system giant, major AMD and Intel partner/collaborator, didn't know about boost clocks for CPUs and GPUs. Makes sense.
Tetragrammaton_Knight
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Well, 1 year and 3 months old, placing PS5 at $400. let's work around the rumors then:
According to Sams, there are multiple reasons for this. For starters, there's the fact that developers were having to make sure that their games would run on both the consoles. With Lockhart being significantly less powerful, games would as such have to be designed to run on it, and then scaled up to run on Anaconda as well, which would put them at a disadvantage as compared to the PS5 from a visuals and technical perspective.
Yes, mid 2019 there were multiple sources claiming that Lockhart has been scrapped. However in the recent months we got insider info that it is still on track, that XSX dev-kit has XSS mode for developers and more recently - that Lockhart hardware has entered "take home" phase of testing: https://www.windowscentral.com/okay...ay-and-june-events-lockhart-revealed-and-more
Also, considering the financial turmoil expected this year, it makes even more sense for MS to release a cheaper, affordable next-gen console in Q4 2020. Will this actually happen? What will be XSS price? We will have to wait and see. By the end of June all should be clear in this regards.
Bo_Hazem
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PC market is shrinking, I don't know many people are using PC's and laptops except professionals and some gamers. You can even video edit 4K on iPad Pro now. Just a reality check:
Ok, we'll wait and see anyway. I'll drop it here.
Those 2 charts are in 2011
Here, have this as well:
Here, have this as well:
Ok, we'll wait and see anyway. I'll drop it here.
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Thirty7ven
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Please explain how MS will reutilize XSX chips. How do they that?
James Sawyer Ford
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even Panello shot that rumor down. It's a fanboy fantasy
it doesn't make any logistical sense, because the scrapped chips wouldn't be high enough volume, and it changes the physical design on the motherboard if you had a combination of big defective chips and small chips.
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Sinthor
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I think you're confusing a few things here. First, Microsoft doesn't have 90% of the PC market. Not even close. Their OPERATING SYTEM (which is software) may have, but it's not even close in hardware. Secondly, Sony has been making PC's and other consumer electronics FAR longer than Microsoft. So your argument isn't really a good one.
Bottom line, no one's saying they can't make a good console; they surely can and have done in the past as well. However, nothing gives them some magical ability to make hardware at a price point that simply isn't feasible. We'll see what actually happens, but I can't imagine any kind of "lockhart" product strategy helping MS out. If anything, I think it's more likely to harm them. But we'll see.
TLZ
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MS isn't a hardware company. They don't make your PCs. Sony on the other hand has been a hardware company forever. So it's normal to expect more from a hardware company.
This isn't saying MS can't. We've seen what they've done with Xbox and Xbox One. They had issues with 360 which they later fixed.
David Ricardo
Member
What I think he is saying is some games will run relatively better or worse than what the teraflop difference would indicate. That's why he says in general the teraflops are a good indication of relative GPU performance. You can expect games to run around 20% better on Series X. Some will run 10% better, others will run 30% better.
According to the information available as of today, I don't think we should expect any games to run better on PS5. The difference will be small but multiplats will generally run better on series x.
Neo_game
Member
Not sure if serious. But most people want the 300$ next gen console to be DOA. That would be good for everyone. Ideally it would be nice if devs target PS5/Xbox specs and may be in some years Pro model can get released.
James Sawyer Ford
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no, Matt specifically said some games will look better on PS5
clocks and the SSD will make a difference with some engines when taken advantage of
he also claimed PS5 will run games not possible on XSX
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bitbydeath
Member
That was an obvious fake when they tried putting BluePoint as a studio in negotiations with MS.
Self High Five
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Hawking Radiation
Wants to watch an Event Horizon porno
Fuck me if next gen games look like this...Oh Lawd I'm gona need a box of tissues and a couple bottles of lotion
Hawking Radiation
Wants to watch an Event Horizon porno
Where the hell is this from? Wow
HawarMiran
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Soooo sad. "Is there a way to get together again?"
. If he is lonely and has no friends, he should just say soThey are offering Linux not dropping windows.Have you used Windows before? If not, I've been using it since 1996. Ask someone how he feels about it compared to Mac and Linux. Microsoft is dropping Windows and favoring Linux for their servers lately as well, and might even shift totally to Linux:
2001: Linux is cancer, says Microsoft. 2019: Hey friends, ah, can we join the official linux-distros mailing list, plz?
Windows giant cheered on by Linux Foundation as it seeks membership of private security-focused message board
They are a software-based company with some hardware work, Sony is a hardware-based company with some software work and superior gaming history.
By the way, they are not PC's, they're consoles, and I have a life and I'm humble.
They got too many things right to be a fake. Obviously the studio information was totally wrong though.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
So the next gen thread has morphed to MS vs. Linux.Have you used Windows before? If not, I've been using it since 1996. Ask someone how he feels about it compared to Mac and Linux. Microsoft is dropping Windows and favoring Linux for their servers lately as well, and might even shift totally to Linux:
2001: Linux is cancer, says Microsoft. 2019: Hey friends, ah, can we join the official linux-distros mailing list, plz?
Windows giant cheered on by Linux Foundation as it seeks membership of private security-focused message board
They are a software-based company with some hardware work, Sony is a hardware-based company with some software work and superior gaming history.
By the way, they are not PC's, they're consoles, and I have a life and I'm humble.
Got it.
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