Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD

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SaucyJack said:
Nothing short of some force majeure event will make Series X sell more than PS5.
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I can think of three scenarios:

Multiple earthquakes destroying all factories producing the PS5. Several times over four years, causing the XSX to be the only next-gen console for sale in that time period.
The XSX being priced at 99$
Microsoft buying Sony and switching the names of the two consoles
 
TBiddy said:
I applaud that, yes, but you know as well as me that next time we get juicy news about the PS5 or XSX/XSS, the gang is right back at it.
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I think that is par for the coarse, on a site like this.

I have stated this many times, I am here for the banter, the fun. So in some degree, I want there to be some sort of friction between people in these threads.

I don't want full out console wars but I do want an edge to conversations.

I will try to take chunks out of you at some stage, do I mean anything by it no, not really, it's just fun.

Even people like Bo, Yewles Geordie and Noodle arms, I like em, I regard them as friends, but they are also in my line of fire. None one escapes my Fury.

I think people need to just be a bit more tolerant.

The only thing I wish Xbox fans would do is talk more about their console, or their games in this thread. No one stops them from linking screenshots of there fav game, ok don't do it if its Halo, but who's fault is that one lol.

At the end of the day, I see people coming in here complaining about this thread, but that's all they do, they hardly ever try to get a conversation going, they just come in like a bull in a china shop, moaning, this place is biased and leave.
 
Mr. PlayStation said:
:( I want Series X to do just as well as PS5. Competition only makes both of them to deliver the best in content.
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We all want a lot of things, for example, I want to be fellated by Kate Beckinsale. It isn't gong to happen, just like Series X matching PS5 sales isn't happening either.

If Xbox was going to come back from being outsold 2.5 to 1 then they'd need something a damn sight more compelling than they've shown.
 
3liteDragon said:
"X percent weaker", "X percent stronger", "More powerful", "Less powerful".

12.15 TFLOPs and 10.28 TFLOPs are THEORETICAL peak numbers used for measuring single-precision (32-bit) floating-point performance. The real question here is, which console is gonna get closer to that peak TFLOPs number?

Like I said before, it's pointless arguing over which one's more powerful based on a theoretical TFLOPs number which we know both consoles will NEVER hit unless VALU (Vector ALU) utilization is at 100%. Hitting 100% VALU utilization is IMPOSSIBLE unless you're conducting insane benchmarks on these consoles which tries to use ALL the CUs in parallel for computing.
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This won't register with the majority of folks here. We can keep repeating this simple fact about realworld CU utilisation is not proportional to theoritical max terraflops till the cows come home, but still falls on deaf ears!

They don't want to let go on the power narrative that the XSX will simply show 15% more improvements in all graphics comparisons!?!

Eventually it will dawn on them when the games on both platforms start doing the talking... but still I think a lot of them will cry foul play or shit like that (as history has shown) 🤦‍♂️
 
TBiddy said:
I applaud that, yes, but you know as well as me that next time we get juicy news about the PS5 or XSX/XSS, the gang is right back at it.



I have debated, numerous times, in this thread. It used to be a great thread, but it has turned sour lately, which is why I rarely read it any longer. I'm not playing the victim, I'm just stating my opinion. There's a reason so many reply bans have been handed out, as well as the several times the thread has been closed. It's not because of 'occasional banter'.

I don't take offence by your post, by the way.
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So you don't see any merit to the bounce back of "told you so" sort of posts after month upon month of shit posting against the PS5? Someone made a good summary of the FUD topics in response to x-fighter, it's quite impressive to look at nowadays and see the mountain of FUD being spread.
I suspect those same people that were eager to talk shit all those month back are in hibernation for the last month or so, hence why things seem "sour".

Tbh, there's no need for things to be sour, which is why I was exactly addressing you on my previous post. Preferences aside, speculation and expressing wishes (disguised as tech analysis sometimes) is a fun read. People will legitimately make fun of stuff like the Halo showing and so on, just like for me it's fair game to see the other side poking fun at bugsnax and the sort. You need to roll with it and, obviously, if someone says something you disagree, just go at it.

Right now I don't know if there's a whole lot the 2 of us disagree on the console speculation side of things because, like I said, recently I just saw a lot of your comments more addressing some minor quibbles or general dissatisfaction with the thread. It's hard to engage in a debate like that.

Good that you took no offence by it, I absolutely meant none :)
 
3liteDragon said:
"X percent weaker", "X percent stronger", "More powerful", "Less powerful".

12.15 TFLOPs and 10.28 TFLOPs are THEORETICAL peak numbers used for measuring single-precision (32-bit) floating-point performance. The real question here is, which console is gonna get closer to that peak TFLOPs number?

Like I said before, it's pointless arguing over which one's more powerful based on a theoretical TFLOPs number which we know both consoles will NEVER hit unless VALU (Vector ALU) utilization is at 100%. Hitting 100% VALU utilization is IMPOSSIBLE unless you're conducting insane benchmarks on these consoles which tries to use ALL the CUs in parallel for computing.
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Not wrong.
So far it seems Series X can use the available compute power better.
Maybe that could change very long down the line in the console cycle.
 
TBiddy TBiddy

I mean sleep doctor was a prime example, I can recall on 2-3 times extending an olive branch, actually trying to go out of my way to get a conversation going with him. But instead of him replying or adding content he just left a triggered emote to my post. He left me dozens of those.

A page later on the same thread he leaves some random comment about how biased this place is and it's full of sony fanboys.

People need to meet halfway.

I have my gun half loaded and pointed at you, MAN UP AND DO THE SAME THING. :messenger_grimmacing_
 
roops67 said:
This won't register with the majority of folks here. We can keep repeating this simple fact about realworld CU utilisation is not proportional to theoritical max terraflops till the cows come home, but still falls on deaf ears!

They don't want to let go on the power narrative that the XSX will simply show 15% more improvements in all graphics comparisons!?!

Eventually it will dawn on them when the games on both platforms start doing the talking... but still I think a lot of them will cry foul play or shit like that (as history has shown) 🤦‍♂️
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Problem with people that just scream 'POWER' is that they never see the rest of the equation.
A 900BHP Lorry has more power than a 500BHP Sports car... But I'd take the less powerful sports car to go speeding, 100% of the time.
 
SaucyJack said:
We all want a lot of things, for example, I want to be fellated by Kate Beckinsale. It isn't gong to happen, just like Series X matching PS5 sales isn't happening either.

If Xbox was going to come back from being outsold 2.5 to 1 then they'd need something a damn sight more compelling than they've shown.
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you had me at fellated...

and then you double had me at Kate Beckinsale :messenger_sunglasses:
 
Setsuna Mudou said:
So debate then, just lead by example. The vast majority of times I saw your comments here either taking jabs at other users or for some reason complaining about the existence of this thread in of itself.
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When the balance is so heavily shifted towards Sony in terms of people it can be hard for fans of the other side to just debate though. That's why it's important to try and keep the ones that brave it interested and invested in the thread, even if they slip into jabs and complaints. It's got to be tough to be one of the few XBox voices in this thread, but it's good to have the discourse, debate and banter without going over the top. Fans on both sides can help that by recognising the good things the other side do and not just highlighting the bad.
 
sircaw said:
I think that is par for the coarse, on a site like this.
The only thing I wish Xbox fans would do is talk more about their console, or their games in this thread. No one stops them from linking screenshots of there fav game, ok don't do it if its Halo, but who's fault is that one lol.

At the end of the day, I see people coming in here complaining about this thread, but that's all they do, they hardly ever try to get a conversation going, they just come in like a bull in a china shop, moaning, this place is biased and leave.
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You're right, there'll always be warriors present.

I feel like most of the most active Xbox-fans feel the same way about the thread as I do - it's more of an "Sony-appreciation/Xbox-dumping thread" now a days. And that's okay, I guess, it's just not really useful for those on Team Green.

Setsuna Mudou said:
So you don't see any merit to the bounce back of "told you so" sort of posts after month upon month of shit posting against the PS5? Someone made a good summary of the FUD topics in response to x-fighter, it's quite impressive to look at nowadays and see the mountain of FUD being spread.
Good that you took no offence by it, I absolutely meant none :)
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Of course. A good old fashioned "I told you so" is one of the finer things in life. But in a perfect world, it wouldn't be necessary. I

I've resigned to a "wait for the games" position, by now.

DrDamn DrDamn wrote it much more elegant than me, thank you.
 
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sircaw said:
Your the reason this Thread is so Toxic, trying to add all that shitty technical jargon to posts. If you had just stuck with Banter, just imagine how good this place would be.

SCUMBAG!
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But... I like... Tech...


Alright. ALRIGHT!!
I'll do what you request... AHEM!

*makes call*
Hello? Is that Brazzers? Yeah. I'm gonna need that train full!
Yes. A whole carriage load.
To whom? Gift it to sircaw sircaw
Huh? Yeah, as much kinky shit as possible, It's fine. He's a friend.
How many?? All of them? You mean including?? No, no. That's perfect!
Yeah,the address?... To the Hype Train!
Okay, thanks, bye!




I better get some plastic sheets...
 
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JonnyMP3 said:
But... I like... Tech...
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You're just as bad as Geordie.

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TBiddy said:
You're right, there'll always be warriors present.

I feel like most of the most active Xbox-fans feel the same way about the thread as I do - it's more of an "Sony-appreciation/Xbox-dumping thread" now a days. And that's okay, I guess, it's just not really useful for those on Team Green.



Of course. A good old fashioned "I told you so" is one of the finer things in life. But in a perfect world, it wouldn't be necessary. I

I've resigned to a "wait for the games" position, by now.

DrDamn DrDamn wrote it much more elegant than me, thank you.
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The issue with Xbox is we have not been shown anything running on XSX yet so we are in an actual what does it run like void, and even stuff running on Ps5 was 50 % cut scenes being generous but maybe Sony are further head in demo kits.

However, it will all change in next 2 months, we have to see games on both systems otherwise they cannot launch.

It is sad that 2 montsh away all the discussions are from you tubers and forum posters gossip and hearsay, most of it is absolute garbage.

Hot chips in a few weeks for MS, that will be good. Time for everyone to open up and we will have something decent to discuss other than Craig or moneyhat gossip as its getting boring.
 
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DrDamn said:
When the balance is so heavily shifted towards Sony in terms of people it can be hard for fans of the other side to just debate though. That's why it's important to try and keep the ones that brave it interested and invested in the thread, even if they slip into jabs and complaints. It's got to be tough to be one of the few XBox voices in this thread, but it's good to have the discourse, debate and banter without going over the top. Fans on both sides can help that by recognising the good things the other side do and not just highlighting the bad.
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I hear you. That's why for me is a lot more important to focus on the topic and not get into personal attacks. I found the Halo memes funny as shit, but tbh, if I was really into that game, I would be focusing on the bits that did seem good or that make me get a gaming erection.

Aside from that, I think there also needs to be some recognition from people when they are wrong. What rubs some people the wrong way is taking any rumor as opportunity to throw shade at the other console, but when the rumor is debunked the same people are MIA. Big kudos to the few Xbox fans that stick around and actually contribute with their viewpoint on things.

I honestly think it was a whole lot more of this than just Sony calling out the troops to defend their console in NeoGAF.

Good rule for life, if you're going to jump the gun and talk shit before you're proven right, then you gotta take the punch later on. If you're not having fun here, you're doing it wrong :P
 
The biggest differentiator between the PS5 and XBX will not be the TF. It will be the teams and the games they make (and we play), the deals that the platform holders offer us, and/or whichever walled garden gamers and their friends are already invested in. Sony know this... MS know this...

If a multiplatform has slightly lower res to hit the same framerate on the PS5, say, the average consumer is not going to give two hoots (as much as it gives DF something to talk about with their zoomed in videos or fanboys some ammo to sling across at their "rivals"). It's experiences such as TLOU2, HZD, Ghost of Tsushima, the latest Fable or some 6 month exclusive of CoD. It'll be the buffet "all you can eat" offering of Gamepass for $14.99 or PlayStation Now with a an apple iOS exclusive.

These are the differentiators (oh, and price :messenger_grinning:)
 
sircaw said:
You're just as bad as Geordie.

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TBiddy said:
You're right, there'll always be warriors present.

I feel like most of the most active Xbox-fans feel the same way about the thread as I do - it's more of an "Sony-appreciation/Xbox-dumping thread" now a days. And that's okay, I guess, it's just not really useful for those on Team Green.



Of course. A good old fashioned "I told you so" is one of the finer things in life. But in a perfect world, it wouldn't be necessary. I

I've resigned to a "wait for the games" position, by now.

DrDamn DrDamn wrote it much more elegant than me, thank you.
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See, we do agree after all :D
Let's get those games now!
 
X-Fighter said:
Again we were talking about FUD. I don't even believe halo will look like that at launch
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They've just added another COMPANY to help the already big crowd working on the game, but I'm skeptical. There's this saying in IT: '9 women can't make a baby in 1 month', meaning that adding more people brings more complexity to the problem than solution.
 
roops67 said:
This won't register with the majority of folks here. We can keep repeating this simple fact about realworld CU utilisation is not proportional to theoritical max terraflops till the cows come home, but still falls on deaf ears!

They don't want to let go on the power narrative that the XSX will simply show 15% more improvements in all graphics comparisons!?!

Eventually it will dawn on them when the games on both platforms start doing the talking... but still I think a lot of them will cry foul play or shit like that (as history has shown) 🤦‍♂️
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Still falling for Sony marketing rubbish.

I'm sure you were saying the exact same thing last gen, weren't you? The difference between the PS4 and XBone was purely theoretical and less than it seemed with the XBone being easier to fully utilise. Right?

And we all know who the ones that will cry about 'foul play' first are, with all of the 'complaints' about DF.
 
prinz_valium said:
Some rumors about multiplatform games having issues on Ps5 and just common sense as fixed frequencies is the status quo in console development. So it's natural developers have to get used to it, first.
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TBiddy TBiddy and yet we have posts like above, rubbish FUD and you wonder why .

It is so brainless it is not worth my time. When do schools go back ?

Hopefull @X-Fighter will be back soon, good discussions.
 
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prinz_valium said:
Some rumors about multiplatform games having issues on Ps5 and just common sense as fixed frequencies is the status quo in console development. So it's natural developers have to get used to it, first.
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1 rumour about 1 game, and that guy has changed his story 50 times since then. Common sense indeed.
 
X-Fighter said:
I think it's funny that this version was months old and will work perfectly at launch. I heard the same about an XSX launch game but that couldn't be right
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Oh, are you really comparing a 'several weeks' demo(dev's own words) of a game about to be released within 3 months and wasn't even running on XSX to another that probably isn't coming in less than a year and WAS captured on PS5?

Just...don't.
 
Mr. PlayStation said:
You know what could make Xbox Series X sell more than PS5, just talking to a friend about this idea. If Microsoft branded Xbox Series X as an affordable 'gaming pc' offering you top quality performance and allows you to go windows mode on the console for your daily spreadsheets, word document and web browser needs.
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Hmm, where did I hear such 'Windows in the living room' strategy before? Oh, yes, I think it was with Don Mattrick and Xbox One. Worked wonders...
 
prinz_valium said:
Some rumors about multiplatform games having issues on Ps5 and just common sense as fixed frequencies is the status quo in console development. So it's natural developers have to get used to it, first.
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What rumours?

So far every confirmed multiplat is running at the same res and FPS on Xsex and PS5.

If you're referring to RE8 - that is a game a year+ away from release. Not sure why that one rumour from an in-development title would override the titles slated for release this year with confirmed performance specs.
 
BGs said:
Sometimes here I read things that make blood cry. While here there is doubt or fear about the possible quality of next generation games, I just finished Ghost of Tsushima on a traditional PS4 1.8TF at 1080p @ 30fps on a € 280 console and together with TLOU2 it has been one of the most rewarding experiences of my life as a gamer. I have tried to play these wonderful stories on my € 8,000 4 GPU PC but have not gotten the game to run. I don't know what the problem must be. It will be me?
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You lack faith.

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roops67 said:
Why are some people around here even giving this 'dusk golem' the respect of 'benefit of doubt', like as if he is a genuine insider but maybe he's got his info wrong or because ResidenyEvil is still in early development so that explain bad optimisation and his story is semi-true?!

Why can't this just simply be pure unadulterated SHIT that dusk golem has made up? What looks obvious he's seen the PS5 RE trailer running at 15fps (which BTW didn't even look like gameplay) so decided to fabricate this bogus story/fud out of desperation for one-upmanship. I don't know who this dusk golem is, is he really someone with a trackrecord of being correct in the past and should be taken seriously??
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RE8 is a 1st/2nd quarter 2021 game. Not early development. Also the rumor is BS. The same guy said Microsoft will undercut sony with price because game pass makes alot of money. When in reality Playstation dlc sales alone make in one month years of Game pass earnings.
 
ToadMan said:
What rumours?

So far every confirmed multiplat is running at the same res and FPS on Xsex and PS5.

If you're referring to RE8 - that is a game a year+ away from release. Not sure why that one rumour from an in-development title would override the titles slated for release this year with confirmed performance specs.
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That's the point though. Of course, launch/cross-gen games from 3rd Party - not talking about First Party - run fine on both consoles, because those games aren't really that demanding, they are not developed to fully use the power of the nextgen consoles.
This will get interesting when nextgen only multiplatforms arrive
 
DarkLite said:
That's the point though. Of course, launch/cross-gen games from 3rd Party - not talking about First Party - run fine on both consoles, because those games aren't really that demanding, they are not developed to fully use the power of the nextgen consoles.
This will get interesting when nextgen only multiplatforms arrive
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Tbh i expect crossgen to run worse on PS5. Truly nextgen engines will probably scale with different architecture in PS5. Current ones not so much.
 
DrDamn said:


That additional picture with devices. What if, plot twist, the second picture is XSS? Xbox Series Screen/Surface! That's why there was the rumour there would be no controller included.
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Bro... don't do this to me. I've wanted that back in the Xbox 360/Windows 8/Surface Pro 1 days. Imagine getting what you wanted, but it was corrupted beyond recognition. The Xbox of today certainly isn't the Xbox of yesteryear.
 
Those in the know:

Is Series S confirmed to be discless, and digital only?

Because if it came with a 4k blu ray drive it's a guaranteed purchase from me, as I need a new one, since my Sony player has started to play up.
 
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