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[devilNprada]

"FLEMING: In the case of 4K and HDR, in the same way that when they were working on the PS5 they did some collaborations with Insomniac using the Spider-Man codebase, we were that codebase on much of the PS4 Pro. We just provided them the compileable code and let them hack on it for a little while, which is useful for everybody."

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It would make sense to optimize the code to maximize the resulting speed increase in order to make the demo as impressive as possible. It was a behind closed doors loading speed demo to show off the hardware's load speed, not a direct comparison of the user's daily experience of playing a PS4 game on PS5 via backwards compatibility.

Killjoy..
But thanks

 

[Dave_at_Home]

We talking load times over here?

Okay, how about this one.

How about Sony use the PS5's SSD and I/O to assist everY FUCKING WEB SITE THAT COMES TO A CRAWL WHENEVER I'M TRYING TO PRE-ORDER A PS-FUCKING-5.

 

[Gamerguy84]

Lol throwing around free gifts.

 

[HawarMiran]

GoT and TLOU2 already have insanely fast load times on deaths. GoT has like 5-6 seconds fast travel. It really threw me off for the first few hours because it would literally fade out, show a hint screen and then fade in the game. It felt like 1-2 seconds max.

I would love to see what happens to GoT fast travel hint screens on the PS5.

I could read them barely on the PS4 GODDAMMIT!!!!

 

[jose4gg]

This was a pretty wtf clip and i looked up the original source to see the full context as i was curious so here it is if anyone else was wondering. As others have pointed out shes not a journalist but still a pretty wtf thing to say as a content creator/Influencer



Timestamp 7:08

The entitlement is strong with this one.

 

[bitbydeath]

I made a thread on PS5 load times.
The maximum known load time so far is two seconds.

PS5 Load Time Hype - This is an SSD Thread

Quick Resume Instant Astrobot Approx 2-3 seconds Demon’s Souls Respawns take less than a second. Devil May Cry 5 Special Edition Approx 2 seconds. Destruction AllStars Approx 10 seconds. Godfall Respawns take less than a second. Horizon: Forbidden West "With the PS5's SSD, there...

www.neogaf.com

 

[Dolomite]

Im note sure If this is guys is telling the truth.

It doesnt seem like he really turned the console off. The other vídeos we saw, It taks way more time, and one tweet confirma 20s total.

I wouldnt doubt he put on rest mode and then turn It on again, thats why It was that fast.

Now that you mention it, rest mode would make sense. I added a cold boot video for comparison in another comment

 

[Dolomite]

I literally remembering making a sandwich and eating half of it getting into GTA online once.

For fuck's sake that's rediculous

I remember at some point being vehemently angry every time I had to stare at the bikini blonde taking a selfie in the loading screen. Like I hated her and she doesn't exist, all because I was in loading hell with nothing else to look at

 

[Tripolygon]

They demoed spiderman.... Went from over 8 seconds to 0.83 seconds.

We have now found out that Spiderman is being remastered as such I now believe it is possible that they were using the remastered version vs regular version.

Though it is entirely possible that that demo is unmodified code but we shall see. 8 seconds to less than a second with PS5 SSD speed seems possible for fast traveling.

 

[VCL]

PSA: It's confirmed that while back-compat gets 12TF of compute power, this is in compatibility mode - you *aren't* seeing the architectural improvements of RDNA 2, including its IPC boost. Rather you're seeing what a 12TF GCN-based console with Zen 2 would've looked like...

What does he mean? What Kind of improvements can we see with rdna 2 mode?

 

[kyliethicc]

We have now found out that Spiderman is being remastered as such I now believe it is possible that they were using the remastered version vs regular version.

Though it is entirely possible that that demo is unmodified code but we shall see. 8 seconds to less than a second with PS5 SSD speed seems possible for fast traveling.

The remaster and Miles Morales will definitely have as they say "near instant loading" because they have been optimized and made for the PS5.

But as the video shows, it was just a demo of loading and data streaming speeds.
No HUD, no gameplay, no character. Its not showing the game, its the hardware.

Spider-Man PS4 was given to the hardware guys as their code base to mess around with when they developed the PS5. Same with Infamous Second Son for the PS4 Pro development.

The video is a tech demo they showed to investors. And to Wired.com. They didn't show us this demo publicly for a reason.

 

[Knitted Knight]

If you have a problem with some old games not optimized to run on your SSD then don't show old damn games not loading at optimal speeds. It's that simple.

If you're Sony you've had all the time in the world to have a selection of old games (Like TLOU II, Ghost, God of War, Days Gone, Spider-man etc) optimized for the PS5's SSD for a controlled preview. Control your message, just like Microsoft does of theirs. Show your next-gen games, your core strength, loading at the optimal speeds and then show your cherry picked old games loading at the optimized speeds to market those 0-4 seconds load times that are indeed possible with the hardware.

If you don't have a significant difference to market with BC games due to whatever dumb excuse (COVID, your lazy ass not pushing devs for working demo's etc), then don't be stupid to showcase equal performance to the competition while having a superior product. No one's gonna trust that you do if you can't show it....no matter what you say or what the actual hardware in fact does.

First impressions are everything. The question is, do the idiots currently running Sony's marketing understand that (they will claim they do), but like idiots anyway will they do the foolish thing and sabotage themselves as careerist that they are? Those are some of the problems I often see when surrounded by incompetent folk in previous work. They know what they must do, they're just too lazy, stupid and incompetent to get out of their own way and do the work correctly.

We'll see soon enough.

 

[smallpotatosan]

I felt quite let down since Bo was banned. It is wrong!

but anyhow, I skipped through pages of pages discussion on BC performance on XSX. As if the next gen is about BC. This is sad. Too sad.

The even sadder part is that those "journalists" all acted happy and excited about the BC performance. Its a comparison to a seven year old console, which was weak af even seven years ago. it almost felt like a second coming to them. Oh well, just business.

I hoped to see more real next gen gameplay.

 

[sircaw]

Just a shame its only 1 week. Anyone else would be on a perm warning for that level of meltdown.

Sounds like you experienced the full force of Bo_hazam anal gland pooping on your head.

That's a lot of hate to have for a fellow Neogafer.

Breath friend, breath.

 

[Aladin]

If you have a problem with old games not optimized to run on your SSD then don't show old damn games. It's that simple.

You have had all the time in the world to have a selection of old games (Like TLOU II, Ghost, God of War, Days Gone etc) optimized. Control your message, just like Microsoft does and show your next-gen games and your cherry picked old games loading at the optimized speeds to market those 2-4 seconds load times.

If you don't have a signifcant difference to market with BC games due to whatever dumb excuse (COVID, your lazy ass etc), then don't be stupid to showcase equal performance to the competition while having a superior product. No one's gonna trust it then to matter what you say or what the actual hardware does.

First impressions are everything. The question is, do the idiots currently running Sony's marketing understand that (they do), but like idiots anyway will they do the foolish thing and sabotage themselves as careerist that they are?

We'll see soon enough.

Running non patched older titles is backward compatibility.

 

[smallpotatosan]

If you have a problem with old games not optimized to run on your SSD then don't show old damn games not loading at optimal speeds. It's that simple.

If you're Sony you've had all the time in the world to have a selection of old games (Like TLOU II, Ghost, God of War, Days Gone, Spider-man etc) optimized for the PS5's SSD for a controlled preview. Control your message, just like Microsoft does of theirs. Show your next-gen games, your core strength, loading at the optimal speeds and then show your cherry picked old games loading at the optimized speeds to market those 0-4 seconds load times that are indeed possible with the hardware.

If you don't have a significant difference to market with BC games due to whatever dumb excuse (COVID, your lazy ass not pushing devs for working demo's etc), then don't be stupid to showcase equal performance to the competition while having a superior product. No one's gonna trust that you do if you can't show it....no matter what you say or what the actual hardware in fact does.

First impressions are everything. The question is, do the idiots currently running Sony's marketing understand that (they will claim they do), but like idiots anyway will they do the foolish thing and sabotage themselves as careerist that they are? Those are some of the problems I often see when surrounded by incompetent folk in previous work. They know what they must do, they're just too lazy, stupid and incompetent to get out of their own way and do the work correctly.

We'll see soon enough.

wait, what did I miss? Did Sony show anything at all today?

 

[Aladin]

I felt quite let down since Bo was banned. It is wrong!

but anyhow, I skipped through pages of pages discussion on BC performance on XSX. As if the next gen is about BC. This is sad. Too sad.

I am both happy and sad at the same time. He is a good guy but he was very naughty yesterday.

 

[wellgamer789]

New Xbox model, but only exists in Brazil. The name is: "Xbox One Series X"

Accompanied by a new DLC from a Rockstar game: "Read Dead Online"

Exclusive to "XboxBR", these are products that only exist in Brazil loooooooooooooooooooooooool

Look this:

Xbox Hall of Fame | Terms

www.xbox.com

Amazon: looooooooooooool

Console Xbox Series X : Amazon.com.br: Games e Consoles

Console Xbox Series X : Amazon.com.br: Games e Consoles

www.amazon.com.br

Console Xbox Series S | Amazon.com.br

Compre online Console Xbox Series S na Amazon. Frete GRÁTIS em milhares de produtos com o Amazon Prime. Encontre diversos produtos da marca Microsoft com ótimos preços.

www.amazon.com.br

 

[Knitted Knight]

Running non patched older titles is backward compatibility.

Boost mode games require some tweaks. You show those, just as Microsoft did.

 

[Neo_game]

I felt quite let down since Bo was banned. It is wrong!

but anyhow, I skipped through pages of pages discussion on BC performance on XSX. As if the next gen is about BC. This is sad. Too sad.

The even sadder part is that those "journalists" all acted happy and excited about the BC performance. Its a comparison to a seven year old console, which was weak af even seven years ago. it almost felt like a second coming to them. Oh well, just business.

I hoped to see more real next gen gameplay.

Unfortuntely I think they do not have access to new games. I do not think anyone seriously cares much about BC but they had to show something. I also hope they show new games. AC : Valhalla is suppose to be 4K 60fps ? I am very skeptic about it. Hopefully we will have some video in next few weeks. Same for COD and other games as well.

 

[thebigmanjosh]

What does he mean? What Kind of improvements can we see with rdna 2 mode?

Without getting too in the weeds, GCN compute units are very inefficient and could be "idle" as often as 3/4 cycles depending on the code. AMD fixed this in RDNA by allowing new lines of code every cycle in Navi vs 1 new line of code every 4 cycles in GCN.

The reason old games arent seeing much or any improvement on RDNA2 is because the shaders were programmed to work within these limitations, and RDNA2 backwards compatibility won't automatically change the code.

 

[ethomaz]

This was a pretty wtf clip and i looked up the original source to see the full context as i was curious so here it is if anyone else was wondering. As others have pointed out shes not a journalist but still a pretty wtf thing to say as a content creator/Influencer



Timestamp 7:08

What she said? I can't watch.

 

[ethomaz]

I felt quite let down since Bo was banned. It is wrong!

but anyhow, I skipped through pages of pages discussion on BC performance on XSX. As if the next gen is about BC. This is sad. Too sad.

The even sadder part is that those "journalists" all acted happy and excited about the BC performance. Its a comparison to a seven year old console, which was weak af even seven years ago. it almost felt like a second coming to them. Oh well, just business.

I hoped to see more real next gen gameplay.

I had the same impression...

"Journalists" where impressed about BC.
I mean we want a start to next-gen and they are still getting hyped about BC

That is sad to think what the industry is becoming.

 

[Orky]

I made a thread on PS5 load times.
The maximum known load time so far is two seconds.

PS5 Load Time Hype - This is an SSD Thread

Quick Resume Instant Astrobot Approx 2-3 seconds Demon’s Souls Respawns take less than a second. Devil May Cry 5 Special Edition Approx 2 seconds. Destruction AllStars Approx 10 seconds. Godfall Respawns take less than a second. Horizon: Forbidden West "With the PS5's SSD, there...

www.neogaf.com

This is wrong. When the Playroom was shown it was like 8 seconds:

Also, "known" doesn't mean much. We don't even know if the demons souls loading Screens are cut or not.
We have to wait for the final retail unit and then we can say how long it exactly is.

 

[jose4gg]

This is wrong. When the Playroom was shown it was like 8 seconds:

Also, "known" doesn't mean much. We don't even know if the demons souls loading Screens are cut or not.
We have to wait for the final retail unit and then we can say how long it exactly is.

I'm like 99% sure that demo can easily take just 11GB of ram completely all levels, and you know it too, but your fanboysm for a brand don't let you see it. So you assume that was a loading screen when it could easily be just a part of the game to showcase some trigger on the controller.

 

[bitbydeath]

This is wrong. When the Playroom was shown it was like 8 seconds:

Also, "known" doesn't mean much. We don't even know if the demons souls loading Screens are cut or not.
We have to wait for the final retail unit and then we can say how long it exactly is.

That's an animation not a load time. The thread is about officially stated load times.

 

[Defrop]

 

[bitbydeath]

 

[smallpotatosan]

We don't even know if the demons souls loading Screens are cut or not.

wow, just wow.

 

[Vroadstar]

Now i understand all the xbox shills

Free stuff and shill

 

[user1337]

That's still a lot more than PS5 will have, probably something like 700GB... maybe less.

I think so too. Either way for both consoles a 1TB "storage" usb drive would be ideal to have. I currently use a big standard 7200rpm one with the PS4, but will probably invest in a basic SSD and put it in a usb caddy (same one I use on my laptop). Keep the games I don't play everyday on that and the ones I do play on the internal drive. Swap them as needed.

 

[Mr. PlayStation]

What she said? I can't watch.

"She doesn't give a crap about PlayStation, Xbox gave her free xboxes, PlayStation has never given her anything for free, so she doesn't give a crap. She enjoys her powerful PC and Xbox". Laughs and makes fun of Greg, doesn't give two shits about the PS5 showcase event, unable to engage in a meaningful serious conversation. Like seriously Greg got the most wrongest person for that particular episode. Even someone like King Trash would've been a better guest than Ms Felicia who had a field day with Greg and PlayStation community watching the podcast.

 

[user1337]

Deleted* already covered topic

 

[kyliethicc]

probably on PS4 only. I doubt he has a PS5 yet. But who knows

 

[WhispersintheWind]

probably on PS4 only. I doubt he has a PS5 yet. But who knows

I believe it will be on PS5. Rumor is PS5's going out to YouTubers and Some Media.

 

[xacto]

See, that's part of the thing that can give people a bad image of people living in America, etc. That chick is entitled as fuuuuuck and bitchy about it as well. She's just pissed she doesn't rate getting all that stuff handed to her for free. Thing is...she's probably pulling a six figure plus salary a year for whatever she does plus talking about FREAKING GAMES! It's cool and all, but people like that who act all stuck up about things ARE one of the problems we have in this world. Doesn't matter where you live, NOBODY should have that kind of attitude.

Hell, I do ok, but you know what? I KNOW all I have could be gone in almost an instant. I know that what I have I've worked for and that I have to KEEP working my ass off if I want to keep it. And I also know I'm not owed ANY of it. I'm lucky, that's cool...but it's not like I've earned some place in the universe that I was owed. I hate it when people have this kind of attitude that this chick was spouting. Almost as much as I hate those people with personalities that like to hurt others and bully. It's a related mindset, if you ask me.

I will say just this: Karen.

 

[Mr. PlayStation]

I believe it will be on PS5. Rumor is PS5's going to YouTubers and Some Media.

This ain't no rumor, this has been put up as official news on PS Blog Japan. Japanese youtubers are going hands on with PS5 from October 4th, no mention of other regions!

 

[WhispersintheWind]

This ain't no rumor, this has been put up as official news on PS Blog Japan. Japanese youtubers are going hands on with PS5 from October 4th, no mention of other regions!

Rumor part is sometime this week media people will get PS5 and a couple beta of games supposedly. And next week NDA lifts. Is the rumor. I'm not talking about just Japan. Like I said a rumor. Or they get them next week and NDA lifts week after. I can't confirm the details all rumor and second hand.

I already heard about the Japanese YouTubers getting them. That was posted in this thread.

 

[Deleted member 775630]

Source?

Developers that called the XSX the more powerful system

 

[Zoro7]

Developers that called the XSX the more powerful system

Don't keep doing this. If even one game comes out looking better on PS5, you're going to get roasted on here. Just let it go man. We know the difference won't be substantial.

 

[Shmunter]

If you have a problem with some old games not optimized to run on your SSD then don't show old damn games not loading at optimal speeds. It's that simple.

If you're Sony you've had all the time in the world to have a selection of old games (Like TLOU II, Ghost, God of War, Days Gone, Spider-man etc) optimized for the PS5's SSD for a controlled preview. Control your message, just like Microsoft does of theirs. Show your next-gen games, your core strength, loading at the optimal speeds and then show your cherry picked old games loading at the optimized speeds to market those 0-4 seconds load times that are indeed possible with the hardware.

If you don't have a significant difference to market with BC games due to whatever dumb excuse (COVID, your lazy ass not pushing devs for working demo's etc), then don't be stupid to showcase equal performance to the competition while having a superior product. No one's gonna trust that you do if you can't show it....no matter what you say or what the actual hardware in fact does.

First impressions are everything. The question is, do the idiots currently running Sony's marketing understand that (they will claim they do), but like idiots anyway will they do the foolish thing and sabotage themselves as careerist that they are? Those are some of the problems I often see when surrounded by incompetent folk in previous work. They know what they must do, they're just too lazy, stupid and incompetent to get out of their own way and do the work correctly.

We'll see soon enough.

I believe anything released or patched past July 2020 has PS5 specifics hooks ready to be taken advantage off.

 

[Orky]

Now i understand all the xbox shills

Wow. Cut completely out of context. Seriously, the whole bit clearly shows her joking about it.

reminds me of the XSX can only run 500 BC games. Ridiculous.

 

[Deleted member 775630]

Don't keep doing this. If even one game comes out looking better on PS5, you're going to get roasted on here. Just let it go man. We know the difference won't be substantial.

I don't care if just one game looks better. AC Unity was also better on Xbox One, but that didn't stop other games of showing higher graphical fidelity on the PS4.

It's just ridiculous that people keep asking if there's even a reason to buy the XSX. Well yeah, Game Pass and the more powerful system. Would we have the same discussion if the XSX was only 9.6TF? Difference is just negligible then too?

 

[Orky]

I believe anything released or patched past July 2020 has PS5 specifics hooks ready to be taken advantage off.

wtf. No. That's mot how it works. They only confirmed 100 BC games - and only the most played titles - will have a res or FPS boost.
And regarding the patch requirement. This is just so that it works on PS5. It does not mean that it will be optimized for ps5. Not at all.

 

[Garani]

Like seriously Greg got the most wrongest person for that particular episode. Even someone like King Trash would've been a better guest than Ms Felicia who had a field day with Greg and PlayStation community watching the podcast.

Which probably was the whole point. She, herself, told everyone that she is a "paid journalist". Paid in kind, but still paid. Her moral integrity just got a one way trip to Neverland, and probably doesn't even care, but by doing so she has put in a difficult position every journalist who writes good things about XBox, and I mean you in particular DF!

So, am I upset? Heck no! I just got my popcorns out!

 

[kyliethicc]

Wow. Cut completely out of context. Seriously, the whole bit clearly shows her joking about it.

reminds me of the XSX can only run 500 BC games. Ridiculous.

I watched the whole episode. She wasn't joking.

wtf. No. That's mot how it works. They only confirmed 100 BC games - and only the most played titles - will have a res or FPS boost.
And regarding the patch requirement. This is just so that it works on PS5. It does not mean that it will be optimized for ps5. Not at all.

None of this is accurate.

 

[Garani]

I believe anything released or patched past July 2020 has PS5 specifics hooks ready to be taken advantage off.

Not quite. Everything certified from July 2020 forward will need to be certified to run on PS5 in BC mode. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

[FranXico]

reminds me of the XSX can only run 500 BC games. Ridiculous.

What did Richard Leadbetter confirm? Around 1000, then?

 

[Md Ray]

Without getting too in the weeds, GCN compute units are very inefficient and could be "idle" as often as 3/4 cycles depending on the code. AMD fixed this in RDNA by allowing new lines of code every cycle in Navi vs 1 new line of code every 4 cycles in GCN.

The reason old games arent seeing much or any improvement on RDNA2 is because the shaders were programmed to work within these limitations, and RDNA2 backwards compatibility won't automatically change the code.

So, is it the same on PC? Current-gen games are designed around console specs (GCN) and then ported to PC. So Hitman 2 for e.g. when running on RDNA 5700 XT is not taking full advantage of that card? Thanks.

 

[SgtCaffran]

It's just ridiculous that people keep asking if there's even a reason to buy the XSX. Well yeah, Game Pass and the more powerful system. Would we have the same discussion if the XSX was only 9.6TF? Difference is just negligible then too?

Of course there is a reason to buy the new Xbox! People that already have an Xbox right now will get one because they have an account, trophies and games. Also gamepass is a nice offer for people who like those type of games.

But be real, the difference in hardware is so small that all 3rd party games will look and perform similar enough that you need magnifying glasses to see the differences - if there are any! And that's a good thing!