FranXico
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How DARE Sony not do payolas? They think I can afford to buy it? Don't they know they are supposed to send me a bribe? What do they think I have? Integrity?
They're dead to me!
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How DARE Sony not do payolas? They think I can afford to buy it? Don't they know they are supposed to send me a bribe? What do they think I have? Integrity?
They're dead to me!
MrLove
Banned
Stop dreaming. U dont need touch the I/O, its always auto available. XSX I/O is slow as fuck. Velocity architecture is just a name for 4,8 GB/s Raw , not new feature. MS has just fucked up
Gediminas
Banned
they not fucked it up. it is that they can't do more, they don't have nor talent nor visioners. Sony is just on another level.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
i tolerated them for years. Doncabesa can attest to that. Harmless mocking but it got too much recently because both Sony and Microsoft fanboys were giving it to every other post of mine and the passive aggressiveness of it just started to get old.
Oh shit, thanks for the Gold,
Zadom
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Entroyp
Member
Wraith Phantom
Member
Look at this self entitled goofy bitch. Even the dudes face is "like What are you saying".Talking about freebies. How are you gaming journalist & you don't play generational games on PS. How can anyone take your journalism serious. When you are like this? I said it many times these journos don't play games. Many a bunch of frauds.That bitch is a hit & run skeet job. She's like that with games which is her "job" got damn she'll fuck up your life. Skeet,skeet & run.
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Entroyp
Member
And now we know what’s behind the animosity towards PlayStation from Youtubers and Journos
kyliethicc
Member
Nah. And I literally said it will not load in 1 second. No one expects that.
But If you think the PS5 SSD will not load a PS4 game any faster than a PS4 HDD ... then thats sad.
And if game is coded only for a HDD, than the game wouldn't even be able to run from a SSD, unless it was patched.
Cerny said how long PS4 HDD loads take, and by my test, he's correct in his figure.
He then said the goal for PS5 is up to 100 times faster. That 5 seconds or so I'm expecting is only 22x faster than the 90 seconds on my PS4. I'm being generous to his claimed figure of the raw SSD read speed of the PS5. (This would be for comparing the same game with the same load test, like for like.)
Thats perfectly reasonable to expect. Anything less and the hardware will have failed to deliver on its promise.
Also we know nothing about what APIs or lack of APIs the PS4 and PS5 uses, or how they differ. Unless you can source your claims?
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SSfox
Member
It is rumoured the PS5 cold boots faster than a kick to the face from Bruce Lee.
I can disconfirm that already
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kyliethicc
Member
Agreed 100%.
Hawking Radiation
Member
He was acting like a complete and utter cunt so not surprised he got booted. That thread he created was embarrassing and the lock was imminent. This coming from a fellow Sony fan.
The thread was mildly entertaining though as there was one user who went nuclear. Something about the mods being whores lol. Fucking crazy.
LucidFlux
Member
FWIW Felicia Day is not a gaming journalist, but an actress and a writer. Entitled and spoiled sure, but not a journalist
Wraith Phantom
Member
FWIW Felicia Day is not a gaming journalist, but an actress and a writer. Entitled and spoiled sure, but not a journalist
AHHHHH man this bitch acting. It's all fake lads. She don't play games its all fake. Xbox are hiring Actress & Actors to fake pretend they play Xbox games. AWWW man hard times at xbox. Bringing in frauds gamers to sell boxes. SMH. Xbox scooping all kinds of lowness. I thought it was just these twitter guys & trolls. But actress too damn it man. Xbox out here desperate. SMH.
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Ass of Can Whooping
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captainraincoat
Banned
Looking at some of these vids....the games are not even patched to run and they look and run amazing
cant wait to see ms or the devs release patches
cant wait to see ms or the devs release patches
WhispersintheWind
Member
What happen to Bo?
Tripolygon
Banned
That's not what i said. I said expect halving or slightly faster load time. Similarish to what we see with Xbox Series X. These are software developed for a different platform using different api and loading mechanisms.
That is incorrect as you know, you can insert a SATA SSD into PS4 or use an external SATA SSD and it will work and load faster. Expect the same with PS5.
Your test is not conclusive, some games load faster and some load slower. DO the same calculation with say drive club or Ghost of Tsushima which load in less than 10 seconds.
The goal is to address every bottleneck between the SSD and the entire IO pipeline ensuring the speed from the SSD is maintained throughout the entire file transfer process to RAM.
This hower says nothing about how each particular software and game engine loads. Remember that Epic had to rearchitect their streaming system to take advantage of PS5 SSD. So must other game studios must do the same and they must use the new PS5 file API to exploit those extreme speed.
It is not perfectly reasonable to expect a game made for PS4 to work the same way a game for PS5 would when they are developed against different API and paradigms.
We do. PS4 uses filenames and paths and PS5 uses ID based system.
Recalibrate your expectations. Yes PS4 games will load faster but you need the new API to take advantage of the extreme speeds.
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Three Jackdaws
Unconfirmed Member
I really want to see how Red Dead Redemption 2 runs on both the Series X and PS5, it's very likely it'll get a next-gen patch.
For me it was really one of the most jaw-dropping games in terms of visuals, I would love to play it in native 4K on the PS5/Series X with enhanced graphics and improved loading times.
saintjules
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demigod
Member
That was CobraXT.
Wraith Phantom
Member
This optimised crap is getting out of hand!! Do you really think all the publishers/studios/indies will come back & patch their old games just to please console fanboy wars. There's over 1000 games this gen. Devs have better things to do!!
Are you guys alright?? Alot of Devs are not coming back to optimise all these old games. They got other stuff to do.You know make new games. We told you worry about next gen games ,you wont have these problems. But no, no you want BC back to OG. Now you want them to update old BC games to fit you fanboy narrative and give you hope & comfort.
You boys are crazy bunch. No optimisation will save the slowness of this XSX system. Why do you have to go through the 7 stages every time.The speeds are what they are. This the best xbox got. Its cool.
Are you guys alright?? Alot of Devs are not coming back to optimise all these old games. They got other stuff to do.You know make new games. We told you worry about next gen games ,you wont have these problems. But no, no you want BC back to OG. Now you want them to update old BC games to fit you fanboy narrative and give you hope & comfort.
You boys are crazy bunch. No optimisation will save the slowness of this XSX system. Why do you have to go through the 7 stages every time.The speeds are what they are. This the best xbox got. Its cool.
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Hawking Radiation
Member
Yes. I think it was him.
bitbydeath
Member
Sharky was the one that got banned, Bo’s just his alt that got caught up in the conflict.
Insane Metal
Member
To be honest I have no idea what happened... got a link please? That sounds... entertaining
Sinthor
Gold Member
See, that's part of the thing that can give people a bad image of people living in America, etc. That chick is entitled as fuuuuuck and bitchy about it as well. She's just pissed she doesn't rate getting all that stuff handed to her for free. Thing is...she's probably pulling a six figure plus salary a year for whatever she does plus talking about FREAKING GAMES! It's cool and all, but people like that who act all stuck up about things ARE one of the problems we have in this world. Doesn't matter where you live, NOBODY should have that kind of attitude.
Hell, I do ok, but you know what? I KNOW all I have could be gone in almost an instant. I know that what I have I've worked for and that I have to KEEP working my ass off if I want to keep it. And I also know I'm not owed ANY of it. I'm lucky, that's cool...but it's not like I've earned some place in the universe that I was owed. I hate it when people have this kind of attitude that this chick was spouting. Almost as much as I hate those people with personalities that like to hurt others and bully. It's a related mindset, if you ask me.
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Moridianae
Member
So we had a reveal showing cold boot, BC, a dash of UI, quick resume...nothing next gen shown. Just BC..
But only X amount of games will work across the generations.
I don't..next-gen..next...stuff like Demon's Souls????
I'm convinced now it's just Game Pass. Nothing else. Their focus is that and that alone.
More power to them then. I'm not really interested until they show me WHY that 12TF high end spec matters.
I haven't seen it *YET* 6 weeks from launch and I'm not certain I will now..
But only X amount of games will work across the generations.
I don't..next-gen..next...stuff like Demon's Souls????
I'm convinced now it's just Game Pass. Nothing else. Their focus is that and that alone.
More power to them then. I'm not really interested until they show me WHY that 12TF high end spec matters.
I haven't seen it *YET* 6 weeks from launch and I'm not certain I will now..
kyliethicc
Member
If you think this is what I was saying, then you are misunderstanding.
But thanks for the link/source.
I'm not gonna pretend like I'm impressed if PS4 games load 5-10x faster from the PS5 SSD than the PS4 HDD.
Thats a massive waste of a SSD with such high speed potential.
Expecting 100x is unrealistic, but if Sony underdeliver by such a high degree, I'm not gonna pretend to be impressed.
I'll still enjoy the console, lets not pretend otherwise. It'll be good enough, at worst I'm sure it'll be a nice jump in speed.
But still, Sony need to back up their claims with proof if I'm gonna be like "wow so fast."
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Cobra committed full on account suicide. Im surprised he wasnt perma'd. Mods here have thick skin. If this was era, he would be perma'd then extradited to ISIS for torture.
Hawking Radiation
Member
No sorry don't have a link to that thread. It was 2 pages of pure comedy. Never seen people have a go at each other like that.
Anchovie123
Member
This was a pretty wtf clip and i looked up the original source to see the full context as i was curious so here it is if anyone else was wondering. As others have pointed out shes not a journalist but still a pretty wtf thing to say as a content creator/Influencer
Timestamp 7:08
VargasPaPuM
Member
DF just post a nice xbox video
SportsFan581
Member
The stock drive in the PS4 Pro should average more than 50mbs. 50mbs is the most that could be consistently expected with a game running (for asset streaming), I'm sure the hdd averages at least 110 - 120mbs sequential read.
There is some compute that happens on these loads as well as just the loading. The new systems have around a 4x advantage in processing, so even 20 seconds of CPU processing on the Pro will still be 5 seconds on the PS5 etc. If you looked at CPU utilization during the loading process of RDR2, you'd probably reevaluate some of your positions.
Zadom
Member
This was a pretty wtf clip and i looked up the original source to see the full context as i was curious so here it is if anyone else was wondering. As others have pointed out shes not a journalist but still a pretty wtf thing to say as a content creator/Influencer
Timestamp 7:08
Microsoft gives away Xboxes to content creators? Aren’t there a lot of content creators? They must give away a ton.
kyliethicc
Member
Its fill in the blank time.
neo___.com/threads/digital-foundry-are-lying-about-demons-souls-not-being-4k-and-hiding-halo-being-1440p.1568829/
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SportsFan581
Member
I wish Xbox was aware that I have absolutely no integrity whatsoever when it comes to these issues. I would gladly shill for a free unit. I should have created a pointless YT channel and used some of those fake services to get some cheap subscribers. The best laid plans...
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Three Jackdaws
Unconfirmed Member
This was a pretty wtf clip and i looked up the original source to see the full context as i was curious so here it is if anyone else was wondering. As others have pointed out shes not a journalist but still a pretty wtf thing to say as a content creator/Influencer
Timestamp 7:08
Wow, I really enjoy KindaFunny's content but this video was bit of a letdown, it seems a lot of other people agree as well judging by the likes/dislikes and comments.
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Three Jackdaws
Unconfirmed Member
Link doesn't work but never mind, I wanted to see it but now I don't, I just have this image of a complete bloodbath and shitshow in my head haha Good Lord what did Bo get him self into! Lol
kyliethicc
Member
Its funny because all I've been saying today about the Series X load times is they don't impress me. They are fine. Just not impressive. Purely a subjective opinion.
The user
Tripolygon
did inform me about how the PS5 has a new file API and thats good to know. I appreciate that.But if the PS5 load times are similar to what I've seen today from the Series X previews, I won't be impressed either. Thats all.
Its just my opinion of whats impressive versus adequate and I guess I have bit higher expectations than some others.
Its no issue either way, even if I'm disappointed by the load times, I'll just use the console anyways and deal.
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devilNprada
Member
They demoed spiderman.... Went from over 8 seconds to 0.83 seconds.
kyliethicc
Member
Such a terrible guest to have on to discuss the PS5 event. Her entire contribution was to sit there and go "I don't know" about everything and really messed up with the whole "gimme free shit Sony like Xbox does."
Not a good look.
It works for me if you fill in the blank. Idk.
SportsFan581
Member
kyliethicc
it has been rumored that the updated IO for PS5 is more drop-in replaceable for the PS4 code, that should definitely give PS5 an edge in BC scenarios. With that said, I think some on the Sony side have set their expectations for the old software a bit high in some ways. We'll see what's what whenever Sony gives a demo.
kyliethicc
Member
But that was likely patched or optimized for. Not just raw backwards compatibility mode.
Sony used Spider-Man PS4 as the code base to mess around with and test the PS5 during development of the system.
Mobile Suit Gooch
Grundle: The Awakening
Kinda worried about the PS5. NGL.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Spiderman PS4 was specifically optimized for the SSD demo though.
I mentioned this earlier, but the 4-6x loading time improvements seem to be tied to the CPU performance increase instead of SSD performance increase. the Zen 2 CPU is 4x more powerful than the x1x CPU and according to DF, up to 6.7x faster than the jaguar CPUs in the base consoles.
Whats even more interesting is that the RDR2 load times are literally identical to the loading times on an x1x ssd as shown in the youtube video linked here earlier today. That ssd was only 500 MBps but had the same 38 second load time.
Unless, Cerny has done some custom work for PS4 BC, i think they will hit the same bottleneck MS did with their BC.
devilNprada
Member
Makes no sense to demonstrate two different versions of the game... I personally don't believe that..
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Zadom
Member
I am hoping for fast loading times for ps4 games. This is the first time I saved a few games to play on a new system (GOT and Last of Us II). Usually when I get a new system I never look back at past generation. I want these games to go fast!
kyliethicc
Member
"FLEMING: In the case of 4K and HDR, in the same way that when they were working on the PS5 they did some collaborations with Insomniac using the Spider-Man codebase, we were that codebase on much of the PS4 Pro. We just provided them the compileable code and let them hack on it for a little while, which is useful for everybody."
The First 25 Years
An oral history of Sony’s big gaming play, and how it changed the world
www.gameinformer.com
It would make sense to optimize the code to maximize the resulting speed increase in order to make the demo as impressive as possible. It was a behind closed doors loading speed demo to show off the hardware's load speed, not a direct comparison of the user's daily experience of playing a PS4 game on PS5 via backwards compatibility.
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
GoT and TLOU2 already have insanely fast load times on deaths. GoT has like 5-6 seconds fast travel. It really threw me off for the first few hours because it would literally fade out, show a hint screen and then fade in the game. It felt like 1-2 seconds max.I am hoping for fast loading times for ps4 games. This is the first time I saved a few games to play on a new system (GOT and Last of Us II). Usually when I get a new system I never look back at past generation. I want these games to go fast!
I would love to see what happens to GoT fast travel hint screens on the PS5.
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