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Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD

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azertydu91

Hard to Kill
Alright guys I had my usual 4 hours of sleep I think it is now time to talk about what happenned with Bo_Hazem Bo_Hazem .
Schizophrenia is a severe pathology and should not be taken lightly, maybe we should all raise awareness and keeps our both hands in the air to symbolize the fight between 2 or more personalities, if you have more than 2 hands, I encourage you to raise them all.

For thosder having problems to type on the keyboard you can use you nose, a pen in your mouth I tried using my dick but it was too big, It went from A all the way to Z ....... And since I'm french my keyboard is in azerty configuration....
Wait why are you laughing ..... guys
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My totally real says size doesn't matter ...She's real Okay? she even bought a new mic for Singstar ..... but it only vibrates ..... and we don't play Singstar ..... She calls it her magic mic....
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But seriously what happenned to BO ?
 

MrFunSocks

Banned
im sure Insomniac would be truly delighted to have your technical input Mr. Socks
Ok.....?

It’s a low precision RT implementation. We can all see it - trees that are reflected are missing half their geometry or more. They’re lower LOD models. You can see reflections of things like cars that you shouldn’t be able to see because they are obscured by trees, but in the reflections the tree branches and leaves aren’t there lol.

This isn’t controversial, it’s right there for everyone to see in officially released screenshots. The character model reflection on buildings isn’t even RT’d, it’s screen space reflection.

Why do you call me out explicitly for saying this in a thread where there are dozens of people criticising games and their graphics? Oh I snuck a peek at your post history, now I know why.
 
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Like a Dragon will be exactly the same on PS5 as XsX.

Yakuza Kiwami 2 had parity on Xbox One X and PS4 Pro at 1080p/30fps despite the obvious advantage/headroom of the One X - Sega don't bother optimising these games and they are just huge GPU hogs for no good reason.
 
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Zoro7

Banned
I think I counted them on one hand lol. The RT in spider man remastered is terrible quality because it barely resembles what it’s supposed to be reflecting.
I’m not saying it’s amazing quality. But it’s some of the better RT we have seen on next gen consoles. RT is very expensive so I can’t see us getting much better on these consoles especially on open world games.
 

MrFunSocks

Banned
I’m not saying it’s amazing quality. But it’s some of the better RT we have seen on next gen consoles. RT is very expensive so I can’t see us getting much better on these consoles especially on open world games.
The significantly higher CU count on the series X should give better quality RT, but yeh I agree we won’t be seeing 100% match RT. Spider-Man is also a PS4 game running in high res, so if that’s the best they could get for it then yeh it doesn’t bode well for actual next gen games. Insomniac are a top tier dev too, so it’s not like they just can’t do it well.
 

Bo_Hazem

Banned
Alright guys I had my usual 4 hours of sleep I think it is now time to talk about what happenned with Bo_Hazem Bo_Hazem .
Schizophrenia is a severe pathology and should not be taken lightly, maybe we should all raise awareness and keeps our both hands in the air to symbolize the fight between 2 or more personalities, if you have more than 2 hands, I encourage you to raise them all.

For thosder having problems to type on the keyboard you can use you nose, a pen in your mouth I tried using my dick but it was too big, It went from A all the way to Z ....... And since I'm french my keyboard is in azerty configuration....
Wait why are you laughing ..... guys
tenor.gif

My totally real says size doesn't matter ...She's real Okay? she even bought a new mic for Singstar ..... but it only vibrates ..... and we don't play Singstar ..... She calls it her magic mic....
tenor.gif


But seriously what happenned to BO ?

I was so selfish and voted for The Witcher 3 against Bloodborne, a PS4 icon. Gafers called me a traitor.


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Started questioning myself, my loyalty, my purpose in life. Xboxers asked me to join the dark side, then asked me to make a thread to counter my recent Kraken thread.


Timdog, Dealer and the rest were asking me to join on a podcast for my confession. Then I fainted...

I see something... yes, it's him... the savior...

paradise_cernynijt1.gif


Then I rebooted and got the latest Pony... sorry, Sony firmware update. And I returned to what people know me as...

changed-man.jpg


Just Bo.
 
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ArcaneNLSC

Member
I was so selfish and voted for The Witcher 3 against Bloodborne, a PS4 icon. Gafers called me as a traitor.


giphy.gif


Started questioning myself, my loyalty, my purpose in life. Xboxers asked me to join the dark side, then asked me to make a thread to counter my recent Kraken thread.


Timdog, Dealer and the rest were asking me to join on a podcast for my confession. Then I fainted...

I see something... yes, it's him... the savior...

paradise_cernynijt1.gif


Then I rebooted and got the latest Pony... sorry, Sony firmware update. And I returned to what people know me as...

changed-man.jpg


Just Bo.

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AeneaGames

Member
AeneaGames AeneaGames you gonna like this one:



Ehmm, not sure why you felt the need to tag me here?

I can both know how the DS5 is better and a huge improvement over all the other existing controllers and still appreciate that there have been some very expensive custom controllers out there too which have other benefits over the base controllers that have been included with consoles.

I am positive that Scuf and other companies are going to make new custom ones for the PS5. If they do it the same way as before they will add features making it even better and more expensive...
 
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geordiemp

Member
Ok.....?

It’s a low precision RT implementation. We can all see it - trees that are reflected are missing half their geometry or more. They’re lower LOD models. You can see reflections of things like cars that you shouldn’t be able to see because they are obscured by trees, but in the reflections the tree branches and leaves aren’t there lol.

This isn’t controversial, it’s right there for everyone to see in officially released screenshots. The character model reflection on buildings isn’t even RT’d, it’s screen space reflection.

Why do you call me out explicitly for saying this in a thread where there are dozens of people criticising games and their graphics? Oh I snuck a peek at your post history, now I know why.

You think ray tracing is linked to CU number ? Its going to be a long generation of dissapointment.

I believe Ps5 will be better in this regard, so those patches may be a long wait...
 

Bo_Hazem

Banned
Ehmm, not sure why you felt the need to tag me here?

I can both know how the DS5 is better and a huge improvement over all the other existing controllers and still appreciate that there have been some very expensive custom controllers out there too which have other benefits over the base controllers that have been included with consoles.

I am positive that Scuf and other companies are going to make new custom ones for the PS5. If they do it the same way as before they will add features making it even better and more expensive...

Not comparing, sorry. But thought you invest in several controllers so thought you might like this. (y)
 



Yakuza 7 seems to run at the following settings:

Series X: 4K/30, 1440p/60
Series S: 1440p/30, 900p/60
PS4 Pro: 1080p/30
Xbox One X: 1080p/30fps
PS4: 900p/30
Xbox One S: 720/30fps

It doesn't make sense, we have XSX videos running the game at 4K/60. Unless it's running at an uncapped framerate and they decide to lock it at 30fps when it releases.
 

Garani

Member
Hmm 🤔.....I wonder if the Orange is in any way related to the Expansion NVMe drive. Cerny did say that:

But who knows. Definitely looking forward to learning what those chips actually are as well as their function.

It's a bit far, I doubt it. But without a teardown with better pictures it's hard to tell.

Never thought Id be seeing 900p again lol.

Care of Microsoft :D
 

MastaKiiLA

Member
Ok.....?

It’s a low precision RT implementation. We can all see it - trees that are reflected are missing half their geometry or more. They’re lower LOD models. You can see reflections of things like cars that you shouldn’t be able to see because they are obscured by trees, but in the reflections the tree branches and leaves aren’t there lol.

This isn’t controversial, it’s right there for everyone to see in officially released screenshots. The character model reflection on buildings isn’t even RT’d, it’s screen space reflection.

Why do you call me out explicitly for saying this in a thread where there are dozens of people criticising games and their graphics? Oh I snuck a peek at your post history, now I know why.
Don't you think it's weird to be criticizing the RT on the PS5 games, and then making these bold claims about the XSX's RT, when the PS5 has already demonstrated realtime RT in 3-4 launch window games (at dynamic 4k), while the XSX hasn't shown it in any games at all yet? I'm not saying the XSX won't have it, or that the XSX won't be better at it, but you're basis for these assumptions is shaky at best, non-existent at worst.

As others have already noted, the way RT is working in the Spidey screenshots is how it will be used throughout this generations. Reflections generally don't need maximum detail, unless you're working with a perfect mirror. Better to go for performance over quality. Also, I don't think it's been properly concluded that Spiderman himself was reflected with SSR. That was a theory by Jon from DF. I believe VFX suggested another theory, that there was an offset value set for the reflection, that resulted in the visible clipping.
 

AeneaGames

Member
Not comparing, sorry. But thought you invest in several controllers so thought you might like this. (y)

Ah, lol, yeah. Well tbh I've decided to not be so crazy this time around. I will buy something that gives me back buttons or paddles tho since I will seriously miss those.
And as for colours, nah, not going to do that either unless controller faceplates is a thing, then I will buy those! 😀
 

azertydu91

Hard to Kill
I was so selfish and voted for The Witcher 3 against Bloodborne, a PS4 icon. Gafers called me as a traitor.


giphy.gif


Started questioning myself, my loyalty, my purpose in life. Xboxers asked me to join the dark side, then asked me to make a thread to counter my recent Kraken thread.


Timdog, Dealer and the rest were asking me to join on a podcast for my confession. Then I fainted...

I see something... yes, it's him... the savior...

paradise_cernynijt1.gif


Then I rebooted and got the latest Pony... sorry, Sony firmware update. And I returned to what people know me as...

changed-man.jpg


Just Bo.
Dude when you question yourself you might be going too far....Don't question your sexuality you'll probably try to fuck every living species on this planet ... sircaw sircaw that might be an opportunity for you.
 

ToadMan

Member
there is something off here. it should have enough power to run current gen games a 4k 60 fps. or 1440p 120 fps. MS told DF the xsx is just as powerful as the rtx 2080 which makes sense seeing as how it is 12 tflops.

however, dirt 5 is downgrading a lot of graphics options to hit 120 fps and have to go down to 1080p as well. my rtx 2080 can run pretty much every game at 1440p 120 fps if i can run it at 4k 60 fps. there is definitely a bottleneck somewhere. maybe its like the xone where the tools arent ready yet. iirc, xbox one launched with a bunch of 720p games and it wasnt until later in the gen did they start hitting 900p.

it will be interesting to see if the ps5 has similar bottlenecks. dmc4 is only running at 1080p 60 fps with rt even though its 30 fps option runs at native 4k. maybe its rdna 2.0.

The first thing I’d say is the yakuza engine is pretty badly optimised. PCs struggled with the older games.

The second thing - having watched that stream, is that to me that is basically a last gen game not optimised for Xsex.

I think they probably just rebuilt the last gen code and compressed it to get the benefit of the SSD - the loading times did look good - but otherwise they’re just relying on cpu/gpu grunt to get what performance they got. There wasn’t any next gen optimisation done.

So personally I’d put Yak and Dirt in a category of being firmly cross gen games - basically BC games just recompiled and compressed for SSD performance but little else. Effectively just BC games patched

So when you look at how the game runs on last gen - doubling the frames or res is about what you get from twice as much power.

So for now I wouldn’t take these 2 games as indicating a particular issue with the Xsex. I’m confident that Dirt at least will look the same on PS5. Yak might be improved by the time of the PS5 release and I guess there’ll be an Xsex patch by then if thats the case.

They’re not good looking games - they aren’t really next gen games - so I’ll give a pass to the systems until we see something more next gen focused.
 

Bill O'Rights

Seldom posts. Always delivers.
Staff Member
Folks


Just dropping by while I have a minute before work. Since the last post, we have reply banned 18 people from the thread who are unable to stay on topic, or use the thread as a vehicle to wave their fanboy flags like they are on the French barricades. The persistent derails in every thread about 'DF are bias' are tiresome. The offer is out there, and has been for some time, for anyone to make a dedicated thread about credibility and legitimacy. Of course, this takes more time and effort than posting the latest tweet or repeating the one line matra some people live by.


Every thread is not going to turn into a dumping round for the latest tweet or the latest rebuttal of a DF video. If you want to put the time in to start an actual thread with sources and actual evidence with contrary viewpoints and rebuttals that is fine, but the time for 'DF are shills', 'DF are bias' driveby posts has passed. This also applies to the opposing 'NXGamer is a sony fanboy'. As you all know, this will no doubt become more of an issue when the DF comparison video's start getting published. And the same applies, each thread is not going to turn into some childish finger pointing and back and forth shouting unless it's contained in one thread which is actually about the topic at hand.
 
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