Radical Dreamer
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why should we trust this fucking weeb
Dodkrake
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This leaker seems to usually know their stuff. Usually. Doesn't mean this is correct.
Zathalus
Member
Still showing for me. -> https://www.xbox.com/en-us/games/watch-dogs-legion
Doncabesa
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Xbox Boss Phil Spencer On Series X Launch, Halo Infinite & Bethesda
There’s nothing normal about interviewing Xbox chief Phil Spencer these days.
kotaku.com
Phil Spencer interview. Long story short, don't expect Bethesda games on Sony platforms.
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Same, and I don’t know why anyone would be happy about this. I’m a self admitted Sony fan but it’s a loss for gamers if MS is stumbling.
Everything good that is happening now with PS5 is because Sony knows MS is a real threat and they are playing their A game. All this ray tracing and Dirt drama is just a bump in the road. I want three healthy gaming companies competing for my money.
Zadom
Member
I like this thinking and want to think this way. I may even consider an Xbox in a couple of years if I have enough time for that much gaming. But some reason it feels like a heated sports rivalry where it’s hard to root for opposing team. It’s stupid, I know. I don’t feel this way about any other electronics I can think of.
thurnishaleygw
Member
Considering his answer, I think it's going to be a little more based on how steady the Gamepass growth is. If it keeps with the actual pace, they may pull it off, but if they don't continue growing that revenue at the same pace, I would argue that they might think twice the possibility of revenue coming from PS, specially if PS5 keeps outselling Series X and S on the same ratios PS4 did with Xbox One this generation.Xbox Boss Phil Spencer On Series X Launch, Halo Infinite & Bethesda
There’s nothing normal about interviewing Xbox chief Phil Spencer these days.
Phil Spencer interview. Long story short, don't expect Bethesda games on Sony platforms.
Bladed Thesis
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Xbox Boss Phil Spencer On Series X Launch, Halo Infinite & Bethesda
There’s nothing normal about interviewing Xbox chief Phil Spencer these days.
Phil Spencer interview. Long story short, don't expect Bethesda games on Sony platforms.
xHunter
Member
He still says "case-by-case". Why not just flat out come and say "TES 6 wont be on Playstation platforms"? This whole "deal" is so bizarre and the overall wording makes it look like the bigger titles are comparable to tomb raider and minecraft.Xbox Boss Phil Spencer On Series X Launch, Halo Infinite & Bethesda
There’s nothing normal about interviewing Xbox chief Phil Spencer these days.
Phil Spencer interview. Long story short, don't expect Bethesda games on Sony platforms.
Imtjnotu
Member
Guessing cu's rdna one rops RDNA 2
Doncabesa
Member
They don't own Bethesda yet, can't actually say how you're going to run an entity like that with a public corporation until you do.
Darklor01
Might need to stop sniffing glue
MrS
Banned
Why would anybody have expected Bethesda games on PS5? Was never going to happen once Xbox got their hands on them. Nor should it.Xbox Boss Phil Spencer On Series X Launch, Halo Infinite & Bethesda
There’s nothing normal about interviewing Xbox chief Phil Spencer these days.
Phil Spencer interview. Long story short, don't expect Bethesda games on Sony platforms.
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xHunter
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Makes sense. I will wait until the deal is done and then see their messages about certain games. For now i am still not convinced.
Nikana
Go Go Neo Rangers!
Thats how I took it as well. They won't flat out say no because if things do not go the way they want theres a backup plan where they now own all this IP that will sell if its on Xbox or not.
Bo_Hazem
Banned
Let's spice things up!
The I/O throughput of 22GB/s makes the whole 825GB SSD like a DDR4 RAM! Which is insane:
DDR4 data rates:
DDR4 2133: 17 GB / s
DDR4 2400: 19.2 GB / s
DDR4 2666: 21.3 GB / s
DDR4 3200: 25.6 GB / s
www.softwareok.com
EDIT: Single channel, not dual channel.
The I/O throughput of 22GB/s makes the whole 825GB SSD like a DDR4 RAM! Which is insane:
DDR4 data rates:
DDR4 2133: 17 GB / s
DDR4 2400: 19.2 GB / s
DDR4 2666: 21.3 GB / s
Data transfer rates for DDR, DDR2, DDR3 and DDR4, how fast?
The data transfer rates for DDR, DDR2, DDR3 and DDR4 in dual or single channel mode! Here are the single channel values, with dual, i.e. two memory slot !
www.softwareok.com
EDIT: Single channel, not dual channel.
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Three Jackdaws
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Empire Strikes Back
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Expected. If Game Pass was proof of anything is that they want to grow the platform even at the expense of profitability and leaving potential sales for PlayStation users behind.Xbox Boss Phil Spencer On Series X Launch, Halo Infinite & Bethesda
There’s nothing normal about interviewing Xbox chief Phil Spencer these days.
Phil Spencer interview. Long story short, don't expect Bethesda games on Sony platforms.
Metroiddarks
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Empire Strikes Back
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Can they really mix and match CUs from one gen and things from others? I know that console usually breaks the rules but this seems odd.
xacto
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Xbox Boss Phil Spencer On Series X Launch, Halo Infinite & Bethesda
There’s nothing normal about interviewing Xbox chief Phil Spencer these days.
Phil Spencer interview. Long story short, don't expect Bethesda games on Sony platforms.
He's really all over the place in this interview:
“This deal was not done to take games away from another player base like that. Nowhere in the documentation that we put together was: ‘How do we keep other players from playing these games?’ We want more people to be able to play games, not fewer people to be able to go play games. But I’ll also say in the model—I’m just answering directly the question that you had—when I think about where people are going to be playing and the number of devices that we had, and we have xCloud and PC and Game Pass and our console base, I don’t have to go ship those games on any other platform other than the platforms that we support in order to kind of make the deal work for us. Whatever that means.”
But, if they can figure out this part, PlayStation players might consider to stop investing in Bethesda games from a certain point forward:
“Is it possible to recoup a $7.5 billion investment if you don’t sell Elder Scrolls VI on the PlayStation?” I asked.
“Yes,” Spencer quickly replied.
thurnishaleygw
Member
Yeah, it's just that nod to Gamepass when talking about install base and devices that makes me think that. So I expect them to double down on Gamepass even more, since its growth is also a way for them to leverage their first party investment and keeping it exclusive to their ecosystem. Honestly, whatever we may think about Gamepass (personally I'm not particularly enthused by it), they're definitely counting on it and investing on it as a way forward for them, and I think it's gonna work nicely for them.
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Deleted member 775630
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The whole idea that PS5 uses the full rdna2 architecture while AMD sold rdna1 to Microsoft is ridiculous
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Nikana
Go Go Neo Rangers!
The growth has been fairly strong but the question is how long will it last? You are seeing more and more companies adopt this when it comes to content management for a long list of reasons that include less risk and lower loss when things don't go their way. They would much rather have you in their subscription than selling you a disc at this point.
But as of now everyone seems to be happy with GP all around from the content provider to the customer. Can't ask for much more at this point.
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MastaKiiLA
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WTF are FE and BE for consoles? For most apps, front-end is what you see as the user. The dashboard, and UI. Backend is what the system is doing with the frontend calls. Things like networking, fetching data, etc. I've never seen those terms used for hardware. Those are software terms, AFAIK.
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Bo_Hazem
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geordiemp
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We dont even know what RdNA2 is officially yet until October 28th, and what was RDNA2 when consoles were designed may have changed slighly as AMD have had more time so neither console might be full features of a PC RDNA2 lol, or might have more, or less...
Just being humorous of course, I believe both are RDNA2 feature set, and PC mighthave some different tricks like infinity cache, and lets face it neither console has room on the die for massive L2.
Not long now, AMD RDNA2 reveal, NDAs down and people will talk more.
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Dodkrake
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Frontend and backend - Wikipedia
What back-end and front-end are in hardware design?
I saw these two terms in context of chip-design. what are Back-end and Front-end? what are the differences between them?
electronics.stackexchange.com
took me 10 seconds to find.
sircaw
Banned
You can not believe a word Uncle Phil says, he will fucking say anything to suit his own agenda.
jose4gg
Member
Xbox Boss Phil Spencer On Series X Launch, Halo Infinite & Bethesda
There’s nothing normal about interviewing Xbox chief Phil Spencer these days.
Phil Spencer interview. Long story short, don't expect Bethesda games on Sony platforms.
I read the same interview and I understand everything very different than you. Mine understanding:
- We can make this deal work without selling on other platforms...
- We don't want to make these games have fewer players either...
I don't know what will happen but what Phil said is very different than something like:
"Yes, our games will be on our platform because we will invest in they to be optimized especially in our environment, we know we can make this deal work because our millions of players excited about our next-gen content"
Yea... I will wait to see that those games aren't coming to PS5...
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Pretty simple. They don’t want to alienate potential game pass customers and create bad press.
What headline would you choose:
MS may release Betheseda games on a case by case basis
MS takes away Betheseda games from Playstation players
As long as people aren’t sure, it’s hard to get upset and harder to know who you should be upset with.
sircaw
Banned
is yuko someone important or just another Blue Nacho/Gavin Pidgeon boy or what ever the shitty names wre.
Dabaus
Banned
The full quote is posted below, emphasis on the bolded. To me it sounds like Bethesda games will still be on ps5. Its not a hard no and hes answering the question which was "can this be profitable if they were only on xbox" as a hypothetical, not thats what the plan is. Thats how i read it anyways.
“Yes,” Spencer quickly replied.
Then he paused.
“I don’t want to be flip about that,” he added. “This deal was not done to take games away from another player base like that. Nowhere in the documentation that we put together was: ‘How do we keep other players from playing these games?’ We want more people to be able to play games, not fewer people to be able to go play games. But I’ll also say in the model—I’m just answering directly the question that you had—when I think about where people are going to be playing and the number of devices that we had, and we have xCloud and PC and Game Pass and our console base, I don’t have to go ship those games on any other platform other than the platforms that we support in order to kind of make the deal work for us. Whatever that means.”
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Three Jackdaws
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I think we should listen to what both Microsoft and Sony have said about their GPU's, both are "custom" solutions. We also need to question what exactly is "RDNA 2" and how do we define it? Is it the archietecture of the GPU itself? The IPC and Performance Per Watt gains? Or is it the feature set like Ray Tracing and VRS?
The term "RDNA 2" is being used differently by so many people and AMD have still yet to clarify everything, hopefully that'll get done by the end of this month and we may get a better idea. My own opinion is that both consoles will benefit from the IPC gains of RDNA 2 as well as performance per watt and ray-tracing and VRS, for me this is enough to class them as "RDNA 2".
thurnishaleygw
Member
Well, that's definitely true, we are already seeing how clogged up the TV streaming environment is getting, so it's only logical that other media will follow suit and more companies jump on the ship offering services like that, and then growth for many will stagnate.
In my opinion, that's what was actually rather nice about the whole EAPlay on Gamepass deal, not simply the benefits to gamers, but Microsoft preventing subscription money going somewhere else. But of course, they won't be able to do that with every service that comes out.
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chilichote
Member
Sony may come to the negotiating table and bring something with them - AMD will show what they are up to in the future.
Microsoft may just come to buy what's there.
PresetError
Neophyte
The real question is the same I had when FUD was being spread about the PS5 architecture: Who cares? RDNA 1 or RDNA2, low steady frequency or high and variable, 10TF or 12TF... SHOW ME THE GAMES and it'll be so easy to pick the better console.
PS4 Pro was a mix of the old PS4 GPU & the unreleased AMD GPUs
danielJackson
Banned
Xbox Boss Phil Spencer On Series X Launch, Halo Infinite & Bethesda
There’s nothing normal about interviewing Xbox chief Phil Spencer these days.
Phil Spencer interview. Long story short, don't expect Bethesda games on Sony platforms.
Long story short, they should not expect people to buy xbox just for bethesda games.
Because people whom like xbox style games will buy it anyways, and getting it for bethesda games only isnt worth it.
And second console + expensive monthly game pass fee for few games doesnt add up either in financial sense for many
It is microsoft, so i would not be surprised if they would release games on ps5 too, after some timed exclusivity.
after all on consoles ps5 probably sells 2-3x more than xbox, and PC gamers like to warez their games too often
Bo_Hazem
Banned
It was a mistake sending those consoles to the Japanese guys, that's why Sony had "no touch" policy for their PS5 gameplay sessions in a very controlled room.
They would dismantle it and bring it back again without anyone noticing!
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MastaKiiLA
Member
Thanks. Second link seems to explain it best.Frontend and backend - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
What back-end and front-end are in hardware design?
I saw these two terms in context of chip-design. what are Back-end and Front-end? what are the differences between them?
took me 10 seconds to find.
Stuart360
Member
Yes this last month until release is going to be hell for this kind of bullshit. By Christmas time we will know everything about these consoles, in and out. Hopefully then people will concentrate on the games and having fun.
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Three Jackdaws
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Well the RROD part 2 FUD failed now this. It is the never ending attacks since the zenimax deal.
ThaMonkeyClaw
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