Rea
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Lol, the die shot of Xbox Apu looks extremely similar to Rdna1 gpu. Maybe kitty is right, Series X is bolted on with Rdna1 CUs with DX12U features.! This statement is disputed by Kitty
(I am just pulling your leg)
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mitchman
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I'm pretty sure Richard is the only working out of a UK office now (covid), the rest are spread out and has been in the past too, with the possible exception of 1 or 2. Not many work out of offices these days.
LiquidRex
Member
The Xbox 360 failure rate was less than that, and cost Microsoft over a billion dollars.
kyliethicc
Member
So? They still use their benchmarking rig with a 10900K and were clearly too lazy to swap it out for a Zen2 CPU to test cards vs PS5.
And they themselves say that even when using the most powerful gaming CPU they can, it doesn't entirely eliminate any potential CPU bottlenecking, nor would the PS5's weaker CPU. And thus everything I have said on this matter stands.
Shmunter
Member
Common, it’s embarrassing as it is already. The little big box that could!
VanSiriusGabriel
Member
I think this applies to all companies.
Sony can buy Bluepoint but depending on the contract the people there can go the fuck out anytime they want, the only thing Sony would own is the "space" of the company.
I guess MS would buy Kojima Production only in the case they can strike a deal with the important people there, to make sure they stay there at least for the next years. But I don't believe Kojima would accept in general, he didn't quit from Konami just to be owned by another corporation as far as I can tell.
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Mr. PlayStation
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no wonder it gave me god of war vibes in the soundtrack, it's composed by Chris Velasco who was one of 4 composers who worked on God of War franchise (Gerard Marino, Mike Reagan, Chris Velasco and one more person that I always seem to forget)
VanSiriusGabriel
Member
That's the point.
It's not an hardware win (sometimes it is), it's about the concept.
Marketing is marketing, it will do everything to make a product shine, you would say marketing IS forcing reality. 12 TF are true, now just need to make them the proof of superior hardware, that's it.
Xbox had three things to market for the launch: power, old games enhanced and Gamepass. With "Xbox had" I mean that they could convince people that they have it, doesn't mean they actually have it. So from a marketing standpoint, they had "power", and the magic worked. Not only a lot of people are convinced Series X is the super-charged product of the two, they think the difference is BIG. This really show the strenght of their communication in this regard because while you could believe Series X was somewhat better, to believe that the gap was big it means really falling for the number/slang narrative perpetrated for one entire year. I personally saw people saying that Series X is so much superior to PS5 over and over.
And after all that, PS5 being on par or even lead the competition is a "win", mostly a win between people who battled for two boxes than a win for Sony, who would have won regardless and by far due to other factors.
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Shmunter
Member
Only some forum goers and Twitterati have been saying anything like that. Devs and connected insiders have been singing quite a different tune all along.
kyliethicc
Member
Bear McCreary did God of War 2018
VanSiriusGabriel
Member
Most "normal people" were convinced. Devs and connected insiders are 0,000001% of the pool. If you find a trend on a forum, rest assured you will find 10x those numbers on socials like Facebook.
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kyliethicc
Member
Ehh most normals don't even know what the XSX is. They just know the PS4 and Switch are popular. They see a few ads/memes. Like my parents had no idea about the new Xboxes, but they saw a few PS5 ads on TV. But they know nothing about it, just the name and its existence.
And causals don't actually care about specs, tittyflops, etc.. they just care about the big games, the price, and their friends.
Mr. PlayStation
Member
Yup Bear was 2018, but there was one other person outside of tyler bates (Ascension) who worked on god of war music
VanSiriusGabriel
Member
Yes, and no.
Let's just say there are many "levels" of interest, not just harcore and casuals. Maybe hardcore are too... hardcore, to be convinced, and casuals too casuals to be interested. But in the middle of that, MS marketing surely convinced some people that Series X is the monster console and PS5 is underwelming. I'm seeing this in the comments of italians websites and FB pages, and Italy is a country where PS is strong and Xbox is weak. For sure it isn't the only case in the world.
Don't want to pass that there are tons of people everywhere believing this and that, so my bad. But for me there was (and likely there is) a consistent number of people who believed MS. Not big, but big enough to shows that the power of ads is stronger than the power of Series X.
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Three Jackdaws
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Yup, honestly I knew PS5 was light years ahead in terms of mind share when it became a caption meme thingy on Twitter, like those "me or PS5" or "let me buy a PS5" and all you can see is tiddys and azz. That trend was huge and is still going on.
jasondefaoite
Member
Look at the numbers for the PS5 reveal versus the Xbox. I have to completely disagree with you here. The majority don't even know what a TF is. They know the name xbox (maybe not even series S|X), and the know the name PlayStation but also PS5. That's it.
Why else is SNL making parady songs about wanting a PS5 for Christmas, but not Xbox?
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Thirty7ven
Banned
Probably because he’s ignorant, not funny, and his input is worth about as much as your standard pc shop part timer who thinks that because he sells products he’s an expert on the tech.
A lot of pc bros like him because they live vicariously through him.
He’s worthless.
FrankWza
Member
It was like this in the U.S. I think if they broke down preorders and first run buyers the majority of x buyers will be from a younger demographic. That was what I saw and experienced first hand from whatever I read or whoever I talked to. I don’t know if they’re regretting it now, but that was the narrative for most of 2020. These recent comparisons can’t help that. Msoft had an opportunity and dropped the ball.
yewles1
Member
And some of them have been cancelled for it...
VanSiriusGabriel
Member
The fact that PS5 is far more popular is a partial point. I just don't agree that the power narrative was only between fake insiders and some hardcore forums. It isn't THAT limited unfortunately.
Shio
Member
tools?
LucidFlux
Member
Their PC build/cpu wasn't even brought up as having any possible influence on the comparison. They should have absolutely taken the time and done their due diligence to go all the way with their test. Hell, they even compared the results with two possible cloud configuration settings just in case there were any potential differences so I don't understand why they didn't actually match the CPU with a 3700x to see if that had any effect.
Even if was only a 1-2 fps difference or none at all due to the game most likely being GPU limited, it doesn't make sense to go so far in the comparison to only stop short of addressing any potential cpu influence.
It's called advertising. Sony paid for this SNL sketch, obviously.
jasondefaoite
Member
I think it is that limited. Because if it isn't, and has spread outside those circles, it would reflect in the sales of the consoles. It's early days, but it's looking like the PS5 will increase it's lead over Xbox from the previous gen. This clearly wouldn't be the case if what you are saying was reality.
jasondefaoite
Member
Source?
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
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ethomaz
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I was yesterday talking with my brother about videogames while drinking some beers because I had found a Nintendo Switch (3 months old, new with plastics yet, fully functional, a bargain for the price... the guy was selling because he lose his job and had to make some extra until find another one) to my cousin to buy to his 7 years old son.
What my brother said:
- Nintendo made a big mistake with Switch, there is no games, or good games. They are just the better graphics, PS5 is where you can find all the games even being less powerful than Nintendo Switch.
I laughed and explained to him and explained all the situation... in terms of graphics and hardware where each one sits and why Nintendo is having of the best selling consoles with Switch.
But that is not my point... it is just to know who the power thing is not really a thing between general consumers and definitively not a selling point.
What my brother said:
- Nintendo made a big mistake with Switch, there is no games, or good games. They are just the better graphics, PS5 is where you can find all the games even being less powerful than Nintendo Switch.
I laughed and explained to him and explained all the situation... in terms of graphics and hardware where each one sits and why Nintendo is having of the best selling consoles with Switch.
But that is not my point... it is just to know who the power thing is not really a thing between general consumers and definitively not a selling point.
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VanSiriusGabriel
Member
I'm literally seeing this outside of forums. Literally.
And the only data we can have is Series X vs One. Power narrative will not change the fact that PS4 is a better baseline than One so the gap from PS5 and Series X wil increase since last gen. Series X would have not sold any better even if it actually was that much more powerful.
But again, it's useless to debate, I'm seeing what I'm saying in FB groups and youtube channels that are not even Xbox related.
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jasondefaoite
Member
If more and more people believe the PS5 is noticeably under powered compared to Series X, why would this not have an impact on sales of the X compared to the PS5. Why would the gap widen rather than reduce? If more and more people are discussing the power narrative, why aren't more jumping ship? Why would more appear to move from Microsoft to Sony?
Zadom
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Three Jackdaws
Unconfirmed Member
EXPOSED!Kyliethicc, is this you?
AJUMP23
Parody of actual AJUMP23
Your brother should probably stop drinking.
Since it's fiction and not news related is illegal for a TV program to refer to intellectual property of others without consent. Also its illegal to advertise without payment. So either SNL would take a huge risk of being sued , or they did the other thing and earn some money instead. Not a fact , but a good bet.
VanSiriusGabriel
Member
Because there is a difference between saying:
OMG just everyone is screaming about how Series X is more powerful
And
Hey, it's not just on some specific platform, this argument is in different places also.
There are middle grounds in discussions, not just A or B.
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ethomaz
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I'm the one that drinks (a lot)
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jasondefaoite
Member
Sure. But your original premise was Microsoft marketing was successful in convincing an unspecified number of people that a) the Xbox SX is a monster and b) the PS5 is significantly under powered.
Given the direction the sales are going, with the gap between PlayStation and Xbox widening, either ... they weren't actually that successful, or if they were, it's not something people care about.
Imru’ al-Qays
Member
Satire is protected speech in the United States.
Zheph
Member
They announced it at the beginning of PS4/One gen, would have been harsh for the players to make it next gen only imo (but probably better for the game yes)Cyberpunk 2077 a next generation game, built on current generation hardware.
I guess all those 100 million+ console owners was just too tempting to pass up. $$$
I saw a little bit of PS5 BC footage and it looks decent, its gonna be really hard to not buy it soon, hoping for some quick details on the next gen upgrades
jasondefaoite
Member
Look up parody, fair use and copyright.
AJUMP23
Parody of actual AJUMP23
I'm the one that drinks (a lot)
Well take care of your liver.
LiquidRex
Member
From what I've seen and heard thus far... Terrible Texture pop in, and heavy reduction in population density compared to what was originally promised amongst other things...
I understand there's a big day one patch, but I just can't see a patch no matter how big making Cyberpunk 2077 look like how they originally envisioned.
ethomaz
Banned
That is what I'm doing... drinking a lot
SkankHunt420
Neo Member
Im pretty sure Sony pay for those, just like they paid for rick and morty to do a sketch for them. What blows my mind is how much marketing ps5 is pushing, they know they are the best sellers, but still wont let down their guard, i love it!
VanSiriusGabriel
Member
Not exactly, I was saying that every time PS5 is at least on par with Series X is seen as a win because of the image Series X tried to construct. Not that such image is very extended, simply that actually there is one, because is not only some die-hard fan on Twitter or NeoGAF warriors shit.
SkankHunt420
Neo Member
As i said before, sadly this year the only proper place to play cp2077 is PCFrom what I've seen and heard thus far... Terrible Texture pop in, and heavy reduction in population density compared to what was originally promised amongst other things...
I understand there's a big day one patch, but I just can't see a patch no matter how big making Cyberpunk 2077 look like how they originally envisioned.
TJC
Member
Still disappointed they couldn't get out a next gen version, I understand they have been developing for so long and had delays but I'm not touching this game until the upgrade.
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Three Jackdaws
Unconfirmed Member
CDPR ambition is too great for the feasibility of the actual project, it was the case with Witcher 3 as well. It also explains all the delays as well, the studio needs significantly better management.
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