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DarkMage619
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PS5 has plenty of advantages the main being games. Sony has a very successful platform and gamers and developers praise them all the time. I'm shocked you haven't noticed especially on this forum. There are plenty of detractors against the XSX on this forum as well and many who think that platform has nothing to offer and should not even exist. In the end of course both offer pros and cons and if you are a gamer you'd see every platform offers unique features and they all have a rightful place in the market.
Panajev2001a
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Panajev2001a
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... double post... sorry.
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IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
Isn't that what this is from HotChips?
Microsoft Xbox Series X's AMD Architecture Deep Dive at Hot Chips 2020
AMD's next-gen console APUs come out of hiding.
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MasterCornholio
Member
Now I'm hungry for a grilled cheese.
IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
The godfather of this thread definitely thinks XBox shouldn't exist.
But I don't think that opinion is particularly common; definitely seen it a few times.
But I don't think that opinion is particularly common; definitely seen it a few times.
Neo_game
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Although it is unified memory with different bus width. The faster pool can only get compromised if slower pool is also been accessed simultaneously and there is no reason for that to happen if games are using 10gb or less memory.
Zoro7
Banned
What a random statement.
bitbydeath
Gold Member
Sony hit production a month after Xbox so I guess they waited for RDNA3.so MS waited for AMD to finalise RDNA2 and this is why the tools were sub par, but they simultaneously did not wait for RDNA2 to finalise.
Xbox Series X said to be in production, as Microsoft looks to correct its Xbox One mistakes
Microsoft looks to be in more countries at launch than ever
Sony reportedly increasing PS5 production to 10m units by 2021
Sony has increased its order of PlayStation 5 consoles from manufacturing partners, expecting more demand for its new c…
www.gamesindustry.biz
IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
Look a few posts above mine. Should have quoted lol
Zoro7
Banned
Whos the Godfather of this thread though. We need answers!
IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
Mr
Bo_Hazem
! He definitely wishes to see Xbox destroyed, and to hear the lamentation of their women!
TheThreadsThatBindUs
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You can't access both the slow and fast pools simultaneously. They're the same physical RAM chips connected by the same physical lanes for data transport.
Superayate
Member
Yes. I'm really surprised that so many people can't (don't want?) understand that the Series X memory part is based on unified memory, with simply virtual split due to non uniform GB quantity for each chip (four 1GB chips + six 2GB chips).
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Neff
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Joined a PS5 alerts Discord, got a tip-off regarding a big game.co.uk shipment/time, and waited. I'd only been actively trying to get one for about a week, so I think I did good.
Let's hope so. It's my only serious complaint about the console.
For one thing, I have way too many PS4 disc games. For another, there's nothing to stop me buying digital games and just leaving the drive empty, which apparently will solve the problem. They do need to fix it though.Well, i'm sure that wouldn't be a problem if you bought the Digital
Well shit. I'm sure I tried that. In fact, I'm sure I told the PS5 to basically copy everything from the PS4, but all it carried over was the accounts. I wouldn't be surprised if the transfer process is bugged, the whole thing feels a bit ragged at the moment.
Nope, sorry. UK.
azertydu91
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
doesnt that effectively reduce the ram allocation to 10 gb? why would they ever need to access the slower ram over the faster ram?
Superayate
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Not sure I have completely understood your question, but I'd say:
Simply because some "parts" does not require big bandwidth, for example the CPU part which require mainly small latencies instead of big bandwidth (that's why the CPU has the priority access to the memory). The "slow" pool has already a big bandwidth for most of the componants in fact, only the GPU really require the big bandwidth provided by the "fast" pool.
But you can keep all your datas in the fast 10GB pool if overall you don't need more than 10GB of memory.
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Thirty7ven
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Those opinions are as valid as those that are against Stadia and others. It can’t be denied that in three generations of consoles, MS has shown what kind of company it is in relation to the industry. Time and time again it shows it has little interest in the games themselves, and it’s priority has been to position the box as a driver for whatever ulterior motive it has, which appears to be services. And in that sense, there’s little to distinguish them from Google or others aside from the fact that they entered the market earlier.
That said I am of the opinion that competition is healthy, and that there’s no reason to fear the Silicon Valley boys and their love affair for turning costumers into product. PlayStation and Nintendo ain’t going away. It’s also too late for MS to turn Windows into a closed platform, so the PC market is also out of reach.
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TheThreadsThatBindUs
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Not really. The higher bandwidth of the fast pool is only really needed for the GPU. The cpu needs a tenth of that bandwidth, and so the slower pool will generally contain all the game logic and game simulation data, while the faster pool will be almost exclusively accessed by the GPU for graphics rendering.
Neo_game
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I am not sure about it but it has 10 * 56gb/sec and the memory controller can make sure that only wider bus interface is used if game is using 10gb or less. More than that it has no option and 560gb/sec is going to take a hit depending on how much memory is used.
DarkMage619
$MSFT
It does have a hardware advantage. There is no other hardware capable of playing Sony developed titles. Their games have quite the following. The games are all that matters right?
Just because you are oblivious to negative Xbox commentary doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Besides I was certain it was just Xbox gamers that had the persecution complex. Sony is sitting pretty.
You might not have noticed but MS has picked up quite a few new studios lately. If they aren't interested in making games they are making the wrong moves. Time will tell how many or few games those studios create.
No one wants Nintendo or Sony to go away but from all the platforms out MS is doing the most to respect games I bought years ago. The fact I can pop in a game from 2004 and still play it is pretty great. Not bad from a platform that has 'little interest in the games'.
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Insane Metal
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And this, gentlemen, is why 'higher resolution' doesn't always mean better.From the Outriders demo, a 'very slight difference' which the latest DF comparison video conveniently 'missed' as usual. (From Vgtech google drive pictures about the game.)
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Just realized that I missed the 6700xt reveal. The specs are very interesting since its close to the PS5 GPU as we have seen so far.
The base frequency is the max frequency of the PS5 GPU. It's interesting that it goes all the way up to 2.58 ghz. Didnt cerny say the logic gives out after you hit 2.23 ghz?
I wonder if the 96MB of infinity cache is making the difference here.
The base frequency is the max frequency of the PS5 GPU. It's interesting that it goes all the way up to 2.58 ghz. Didnt cerny say the logic gives out after you hit 2.23 ghz?
I wonder if the 96MB of infinity cache is making the difference here.
TheRedRiders
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I remember RGT early last year was talking about the RDNA 2 information, he stated that at the time of the PS5's production (design), AMD were hitting 2.23 Ghz on the GPU and were struggling to go beyond that because of the same reason Cerny cited which was a breakdown of on-chip logic.Just realized that I missed the 6700xt reveal. The specs are very interesting since its close to the PS5 GPU as we have seen so far.
The base frequency is the max frequency of the PS5 GPU. It's interesting that it goes all the way up to 2.58 ghz. Didnt cerny say the logic gives out after you hit 2.23 ghz?
I wonder if the 96MB of infinity cache is making the difference here.
So it's very plausible that by the time of the RDNA 2 release AMD had figured out how to go beyond and push to 2.5 Ghz with no issues, this may have been down changes on the silicon level as well.
I'm guessing Sony were already happy with the 2.23 Ghz figure and it has already been too late to incorporate changes on the silicon level because of production schedule and logistics.
Insane Metal
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TheThreadsThatBindUs
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Not quite. The XSX uses 10x GDDR6 memory chips. Each chip has 32 lanes, so 32 x 10 gives your 320 bit bus width. It's a single common bus.
The slow and fast pools are created by some of the chips being of differing density, i.e. 6x 2GByte chips + 4x 1GByte.
The chips are samsung's 14Gbits/s chips, so the bandwidth is calculated by this by the number of lanes accessed on RAM chips.
So the 10GB fast pool is all 10x chips for 32 lanes per chip x 14Gbits per sec x 1/8 bits per Byte x 10 chips = 560GB/s. The first 1GB on the 2GB density chips is accessed for this pool.
For the slower pool: 32 lanes per chip x 6 chips x 14Gbits/sec x 1/8 bits per Byte = 336 GB/s. For this pool the second 1GB of the 6x 2GB density chips is accessed.
Since you're accessing the same physical chips, over the same physical bus, for each pool, it's phsyically impossible to access both at the same time. Access is inter leaved.
Lysandros
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What's the detective work for?
3liteDragon
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Mr Moose
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LiquidRex
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Mr Moose
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I think you both posted at the same time, I am too lazy to watch it, I'm listening to ASMR videos on YouTubeApologies I didn't see someone had already shared
3liteDragon
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I didn’t watch it yet, busy rn, will watch later today.I think you both posted at the same time, I am too lazy to watch it, I'm listening to ASMR videos on YouTube
TheRedRiders
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TLDR: Mesh Shaders will be adopted more and more by developers in the coming years, especially on games with complex geometry. Series X will benefit heavily from this.
Riky
$MSFT
Pretty interesting, not much we didn't know though.
How much of this increase comes to games will be very important.
Insane Metal
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Lunatic_Gamer
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TheRedRiders
Member
From what I’ve heard, PS5 will also benefit from the functionality but I need to get some clarification on that.Great, nowRiky will also comment on how great Mesh Shaders on his Series X is important too. Not just VRR.
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M1chl
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We have great thread for that:
DF | Outriders First Look: PS5 vs Xbox Series X/ Series S vs Xbox One X!
So far summary: - One X is close to 4k (1944p), but struggles frame time wise and on the top of that it's just 30fps - PS5 is 1800p max (lowest 1260p), holding 60FPS without issue - XSX is 2088p max (lowest is 1440p), dipping regulary to 55FPS - XSS is 1440p max (lowest 900p), dipping regulary...
martino
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now let's wait to see rgt reaction when he will discover mesh/primitive shader objective is to use compute to replace geometry fixed function when you need more flexible and optimized code...
he could have read all that sooner....it's not serious imo...
I still think the sony collaboration with amd is the reason why they have now a working ngg in rdna2 (unlike vega/rdna fiasco)
he could have read all that sooner....it's not serious imo...
I still think the sony collaboration with amd is the reason why they have now a working ngg in rdna2 (unlike vega/rdna fiasco)
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