Mass Shift
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Sony's RT solution is probably responsible for that.
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Sony's RT solution is probably responsible for that.
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
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True plus for Intel in particular, the console business probably dwarfs what they see in PC, server and big data sales.
ABrokenToy
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Sounds like Sony legal team stepped in
Imtjnotu
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Dude wtf does any of this even mean and why do you keep posting this shit
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XcloudTimdog
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Really tho a 399 price point is exactly what they want imo. Want ps4 extension to ps5, and if anything, willing to bet consumer confidence in them to go with a nice price point. The small percentage of hardcore they could potentially lose could be easily recouped by a consumer that wants a next gen machine buts willing to pay for brand at a cheaper price point that competition. I think its hard to argue that imo.
Fake
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Random tweets for random people of course.
bitbydeath
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Yes, still no data mining involved by rogame and Komachi, unless you count scouring Github for info as data mining.
Proelite
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Your point being? These are fake data?
Dargor
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Would they really need to do that? its not like the ps4 is some complex beast like the ps3 was, they could make a good emulator and be done with it.
Huh? I'm trying to understand this move, what you just said makes even less sense.
They don't care about (ps4), sell 100+ million consoles, now they care (ps5) and gonna lose the power struggle over it, by such a large margin even?
I dont think they did at all. Bc didnt do anything for xbox this gen, good or bad, much like they didnt for sony.
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thicc_girls_are_teh_best
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We can only guess for now that might be a factor (I guess); if so that does beg the question: why target those leaks in particular? It'd be much more lowkey way of incidentally confirming a rumor by paying any attention to it at all. Other leaks that we know are way off are still floating around for both systems.
So hopefully that wasn't the reason they've been removed, otherwise like I was getting at earlier, that would instantly make them very credible leaks.
You'd be surprised at how lazy these companies can be when it comes to designing their own in-house software emulators. MS is kind of the exception here with the OG Xbox emulation on XBO, but then again OG Xbox emulation was easily the furthest behind in the retro scene so they kind of had no choice. If it were more popular in that scene to get the interest in developing a mature emulator, MS likely would've just taken parts of source code from that and pretend they didn't.
And FWIW Sony had good software emulation in PS3 for PS2; I'll assume that was all in-house and didn't involve any shady stuff. But OTOH, you have situations like Sony's emulation with PS Classic (the emulator isn't actually theirs), or Nintendo being incredibly slow with emulation on their systems (and then ripping off ROMs from the internet to dump on their stores at markup prices), and it's somewhat easy for these companies to take the lazy route at times, even for big affairs.
Also while I'm sure overall PS5 is going to be magnitudes more powerful than PS3 in every single respect, the Cell processor is still a bit of a wild beast. There's some decent PS3 emulation on PC but you need some pretty powerful rigs to get satisfying performance out of it. And we already know neither PS5 or XSEX aren't going to match, say, a 7th-gen i5 or i7 in CPU power.
But outside of that, I'm still curious myself why BC would (allegedly) gut PS5 that much on CU count. Someone else mentioned maybe it's their RT solution being the issue (and if I can throw in there, maybe custom VR support too); that sounds at least (if not more) likely the reason...
...again assuming these latest leaks turn out to be true.
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ManaByte
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That's what he's been arguing ever since it came out.
Fake
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If nobody can't prove and no official stuff can confirm that info as well I see no problem people calling fake.
Speculation until official information.
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bitbydeath
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Data could be real. The link to next-gen is obviously incorrect due to all the holes in thet theory nobody can answer.
CyberPanda
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If Sony releases the ps5 pro in the future, is it possible that MS releases a mid gen refresh as well?
Lort
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Look at Sonys and Xbox history of support for backwards compatibility and the PR spats between them. Most people know exactly what i mean “who would want to play these games?”
Clear
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Objectively, Sony will do a full reveal within the next 4 months so I doubt they are going to be that bothered. AMD on the other hand will no doubt be concerned with managing impressions that they are running a leaky ship!
We know from comments from developers that Sony have put out several revisions of the devkit and that its been steadily improving. The overall impression being that everything is moving smoothly and that the toolchain is in a very good state this far out. It all seems very positive to me, and that in my estimation is probably a better bellwether than raw numbers.
One of the biggest positives of Cerny's involvement with the PS4's hardware design was his focus on what can only be described as "developer comfort", and I think that could be another ace-in-the-hole for Sony this time.
We know from comments from developers that Sony have put out several revisions of the devkit and that its been steadily improving. The overall impression being that everything is moving smoothly and that the toolchain is in a very good state this far out. It all seems very positive to me, and that in my estimation is probably a better bellwether than raw numbers.
One of the biggest positives of Cerny's involvement with the PS4's hardware design was his focus on what can only be described as "developer comfort", and I think that could be another ace-in-the-hole for Sony this time.
Dargor
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I'm sure they can be very lazy, but this is something else entirely. Unless they have a really good reason, and no, I dont think bc is a good reason, they might lose the hardcore gamers and they are by far the more impontant group at the beggining of every gen. They are the ones that buy the consoles day one and shows their support by buying the most games. The casual market goes for whats more popular and they are fickle, you can't count on them at the beggining of the gen.
VR needs more power to work better as far as I know, so for VR to gimp the console power it would be because they plan to ship the console with a VR unit, so they could keep the costs down by having a cheaper console and again they'd be losing hardcore gamers, just look at the xbox one and kinect, it would be history repeating itself, just on the other side.
About RT, I cant comment, I dunno anything about it.
I'm sorry man, again, this doesn't make sense to me. Sony has been the one not caring for bc in the recent past and they didn't suffer at all over it, why would they now be so concerned about it that they would lose the power struggle over it?
CatLady
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Jeez, melodramatic conspiracy theories much?
Insane Metal
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Rightisright
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They did it for the 360 and PS3.
I am assuming that the benefit for AMD is that it would take the shape of an APU, while it wouldn't if using Nvidia and Intel.
Rightisright
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Whelp, I guess the internet beat Sony and MS to the punch. No wonder MS was so cocky about having the most powerful console.
PS5 = 9.2tflops and XBX = 12tflops.
That's a bigger gap than I thought. Although it did get confirmed that PS5 did have Ray Tracing and VRS on their GPU.
PS5 = 9.2tflops and XBX = 12tflops.
That's a bigger gap than I thought. Although it did get confirmed that PS5 did have Ray Tracing and VRS on their GPU.
He's not random, he got verified info on lockhart and anaconda way before any other insider. From Resetera.
TheTechnician
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Arden Shakespeare - Wikipedia
There is nothing that indicates that Ariel or Oberon has VRS or Raytracing in the Github leak, which in my mind is the strangest thing because we know for sure that it DOES have raytracing.
Oh for sure, MS and Sony will continue with their R&D, if one is active to release something, the other will respond. I just hope they'll be 5nm next time.
XcloudTimdog
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Ms intent was to always be performance leader, im assuming tho they thought Sony was going in on a 399 price point, nothing was every set in stone imo. They might of gotten lucky here but still will he 100 more. Still alot of time and cant say anything definitively yet.
policestationx
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Looks like Sony lawyers have stepped in.
Rightisright
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One of the guys looking through the data on Era revealed it.
Rightisright
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Or AMDs.
Rightisright
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Phil did say they wont get caught on price or power this gen.
bitbydeath
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Tom Warren has indicated that the reason the insiders aren’t saying anything is because the specs will be revealed soon.
CES I would guess.
CES I would guess.
I think that's simply a mislabeling in the data.
TLZ
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Or none.
TLZ
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For both consoles?
bitbydeath
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Yes.
Next-gen PS5 and next Xbox speculation launch thread |OT8| - The Dark Tower (See Staff Post) OT
I think changes could have been happening already 6+ months ago when these were being tested. This is not current. Could be. For me, it is clear that XSX is on 7nm+ at 12 TF RDNA2 equivalent. That potential PS5 GPU from 6 months ago - 9.2 RDNA 1.
www.resetera.com
SenjutsuSage
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The Xbox BC team, the DirectX team and the team that designed the Xbox One OS the way they did deserve major credit. Xbox has never been so perfectly positioned from a pure preparation perspective.
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Rightisright
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TLZ
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Well he said one more season to go. I guess means we're going to have to wait for Spring.Yes.
Next-gen PS5 and next Xbox speculation launch thread |OT8| - The Dark Tower (See Staff Post) OT
I think changes could have been happening already 6+ months ago when these were being tested. This is not current. Could be. For me, it is clear that XSX is on 7nm+ at 12 TF RDNA2 equivalent. That potential PS5 GPU from 6 months ago - 9.2 RDNA 1.
TLZ
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Every day feels like an eternity now. Maybe I'm better off just logging off and hibernating til then.
alabtrosMyster
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Phil may have a bit more information than us, but he is not playing this game alone, and the other team is placing their pieces too. So he can say whatever he wants.
I think he knows what Sony can afford to lose and got the green light from the suits to match if needed. He did not say that with out getting approval on pricing ahead of time. If both have same specs prices will be the same.
Self High Five
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Interesting post from the other place
Sounds like a pretty reasonable theory/explanation. My main concern is that insiders/journalists that has spoken about PS5/XSX (even Jeff Gertsmann) said both consoles are close/identical in power.....which means one of the following:
1) Insiders/journalists that has given their insights are all wrong...and this is indeed the PS5 chip (without RT & VRS...lol)
2) XSX being double one X really means 12 TF GCN and it is really ~9 TF RDNA....which goes against what Windows Central and even Richard Leadbetter's sources....and goes into that stupid mumbo jumbo flop conversion even though we're dealing with RDNA
3) Oberon/Ariel chips are old...which explains missing features and clocked so high...aka the post above
I don't know....number 3 sounds the most plausible to me.
Sounds like a pretty reasonable theory/explanation. My main concern is that insiders/journalists that has spoken about PS5/XSX (even Jeff Gertsmann) said both consoles are close/identical in power.....which means one of the following:
1) Insiders/journalists that has given their insights are all wrong...and this is indeed the PS5 chip (without RT & VRS...lol)
2) XSX being double one X really means 12 TF GCN and it is really ~9 TF RDNA....which goes against what Windows Central and even Richard Leadbetter's sources....and goes into that stupid mumbo jumbo flop conversion even though we're dealing with RDNA
3) Oberon/Ariel chips are old...which explains missing features and clocked so high...aka the post above
I don't know....number 3 sounds the most plausible to me.
longdi
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Sony Mark may have designed the best $399 consoles for 2019, early 2020.
I'm sad they chose an old Navi gpu, at only 9tflops, and only 16gb of 256bit ram.
Sounds just like that, a 2019-early 2020 release. It is a total failure of hype.
You can't go the lazy PS4 Pro way for a new gen.
And if MS somehow outspecs them greatly at the same prices at the same year.
Fucking hell, 24gb on 384bit bus and next gen RT. This is a bandwidth beast, often lacking in consoles.
This is like 2013 e3 again, only roles have been flipped.
Tbh we seen roles reversal, winners getting cucked next gen.
No surprises if Sony is made to look stupid next year.
Sony even have to pay MS to use their azure servers for cloud gaming.
It is over, the dreams. All wasted.
Maybe this laziness is why core execs jumped from SCE.
I hate to say this, but Phil sayz astro-turfing is correct. All of it.
I'm sad they chose an old Navi gpu, at only 9tflops, and only 16gb of 256bit ram.
Sounds just like that, a 2019-early 2020 release. It is a total failure of hype.
You can't go the lazy PS4 Pro way for a new gen.
And if MS somehow outspecs them greatly at the same prices at the same year.
Fucking hell, 24gb on 384bit bus and next gen RT. This is a bandwidth beast, often lacking in consoles.
This is like 2013 e3 again, only roles have been flipped.
Tbh we seen roles reversal, winners getting cucked next gen.
No surprises if Sony is made to look stupid next year.
Sony even have to pay MS to use their azure servers for cloud gaming.
It is over, the dreams. All wasted.
Maybe this laziness is why core execs jumped from SCE.
I hate to say this, but Phil sayz astro-turfing is correct. All of it.
12Dannu123
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Coding to the metal is bound to bring problems down the ride. It seems like Sony is learning that lesson the hard way if BC is the reason why PS5 is weak as it is. If it's BC to blame, then Sony consoles will be hampered as long as they are BC.
People were basing MS on why games were in a VM, we now know why...
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