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[it_wasn't_me]

Matt is a solid source, but he no longer works in gaming so his info is all second hand.

Matt also said last year that next Xbox and PS5 will have hardware RT

 

[demigod]

i m not talking about github asi m aware that info is old. i m talking about the chinese forum where they leaked the PCB and stuff for next gen.

You talking about AquarisZi or something? That dude got the xbox die wrong, I wouldn't trust him at all.

 

[ANIMAL1975]

https://developer.nvidia.com/vrworks/graphics/vrsli

Great finding! That's a very good reason for Sony to go with the dual GPUs approach. Do you think that it could it be done with 3D stacked chips? I think it would be the most efficient way to go for savings in size and power draw.

 

[Darklor01]

Neither does 95% of the posters in this thread .

I definitely have no idea what I'm talking about if I start talking technical jargon. I learn FROM NeoGAF. Lol.

 

[pawel86ck]

I'm pretty sure Phil wasn't talking about VCR Xbox that Microsoft doesn't even make anymore. One S = 1.4 tflops

AMD said Navi is GCN X 1.25

You are correct, although I have edited my previous post before you wrote about xbox one s. Yes MS has increased performance from 1.2 to 1.3 TF (without kinect reserve) and 1.4 TF on xbox one s.

Assuming xbox one s

1.4TF x8 = 11.2TF Tahiti GCN.

With 30% architecture gain (on average based on Digital Foundry article) compared to xbox x (polaris) and 50% in totall compared to xbox (GCN tahiti) even 9-10TF Navi would be overkill if MS would want to match 8x xbox one consoles, therefore it was obvious Phil Spencer wasnt talking about architecture gains.

Only TFLOPS metric could explain what Phil Has said:

12TF is exactly 2x xbox x TF power, and 12TF is also over 8x times better than 11.2TF (8x xbox one) like Phil Has said.

Now we know XSX SoC size is bigger than expected so I hope people will finally stop their 9-10TF agenda . Xbox SX will indeed eat monsters (xbox x) for breakfast and I cant wait for XSX launch .

 

[Andodalf]

Hm interesting. Well it got me thinking because if both consoles MS and Sony have the ability to run 4k content with 60FPS then in theory it could be possible to run a game on some kind of suround spaning mode like on PC. I mean in theory both consoles would have enough power for this kind of feature.

They have the power for sure, it's just a question of implementation. Either force devs to support it (unlikely), Have it "just work" in software (Impossible?), or simply have it as an option that isn't often used, which is possible, but might be a waste of what could be a otherwise useful port. It also asks the user to have a 2nd screen that often stays blank.

 

[chemical boy]

 

[TeamGhobad]

USB A
no hdmi in

 

[nowhat]

I learn FROM NeoGAF.

"Abiding in the midst of ignorance, thinking themselves wise and learned, fools go aimlessly hither and thither, like blind led by the blind."

 

[CyberPanda]

 

[Lort]

You're just spewing uneducated nonsense at this point. Sony never claimed native 4K in anything, it was always "extremely close to 4K" and the utilization of checkerboard rendering to achieve that.

It's quite funny to see people like you desperately grasp at straws.

I don't grasp as straws im correct as usual.

PS4 Pro | Faster, more powerful & with 4K gaming | PlayStation

Everything you need to know about PS4 Pro from the official PlayStation site. 4K gaming, enhanced performance & HDR technology from the most powerful PS4.

www.playstation.com

First thing u see is 4k hdr logo before these nuggets of advertising bs.

"4K gaming and entertainment
Play the latest blockbuster games and PlayStation exclusives in stunning 4K from the PS4 Pro console, and stream your favourite entertainment with incredible visual detail from 4K compatible services.
Faster frame rates
Increase your immersion in the fastest, most explosive PS4 games with boosted frame rates in a range of PS4 Pro enhanced games, made possible by the extra power of PS4 Pro."

"4K gaming
Play the latest games in amazing 4K* clarity; skin tones become warmer, materials take on realistic textures and environments come alive like never before."

These are all the first and biggest dotpoints on the playstation pro page .. right now ... when we know it's all false.

Also feel those faster frame rates lol

 

[DeepEnigma]

So edgy!

 

[it_wasn't_me]

So, high possibility of external power brick. Btw. where is power port?

 

[sinnergy]

Looks like there is a usb c, the oval one .. also Ethernet , and is that a caddy for the Ssd, that says Xbox.

 

[Denis Colovic]

Social medias influence for marketing isn't necessarily about direct sales (or whatever your business end goal is) but in creating a brand that people want to interact with and can feel familiar with.

The people who are engaged enough to follow and interact with your channel are not only more likely to follow through with your product but also help to raise awareness with others.

It's just a part of the whole marketing process but it's a damn important one these days and those laughing at people discussing it clearly have no idea what they are talking about.

You are completley right. However as you already stated "Social medias influence for marketing isn't necessarily about direct sales ".

If people forecast product "A" will sell well or better then product "B" because social media post "Z" of product "A" had trillion of likes then i will comment on this beause it simply makes no sense. That was my whole point with my post. A discussion is great but only if it makes sense and if people listen to facts rather then to their emotion or brand affiliation. "and those laughing at people discussing it clearly have no idea what they are talking about. "
I didnt laugh at anyone discussing it." Because no one discussed it so far.
People only made up assumptions and sales forecasts based on the performance of one social media post. Thats not a propper discussion nor do those people know what they talk about.

 

[ManaByte]

So, high possibility of external power brick. Btw. where is power port?

The round port is the power port. Same as it is on the One S and One X.

 

[TheStruggler]

You've changed what we are talking about. You said they let you down in terms of fun and quality and specifically mentioned four games.

Now you're bringing working with Sony into the discussion. This wasn't what we were talking about.

MS definitely bought studios to expand their focus. I don't think they ever "stopped putting out games." Slowed? Sure. Weak offers? Definitely. But stopped? Now the goalpost is great and/or stellar? What happened to fun and quality? Like we were originally discussing? Remember when I said gaming should be about having fun and not dick measuring and console warring? What happened to that? Now the game needs to be stellar? That goalpost move.

I get it, you're just asking questions and truly concerned for MS and really want them to succeed. I can tell. I'm going to bow out of this chat before the goalpost moves again and you're talking about VR or some shit completely unrelated to your original statement and my original response.

I didnt change the subjexct I simply brought up that also when compared to Sony, Sony has had more games that were fun and also high in qaulity. When compared to MS its not even close which is why Sony and Nintendo are doing better than MS in the first place. Are some games fun on Xbox, sure are they quality though that of Nintendo and Sony, absolutely not. Its not about moving the goal post, its having the same narrative but when comparing the companies to each other MS doesnt have a leg to stand on in that department.
Do I hope it changes? Sure in the end it would be better for me, but for the last 13 years I have been burnt to many times by them to give them a free pass which is what some people are doing.

 

[it_wasn't_me]

The round port is the power port. Same as it is on the One S and One X.

So, that round port isn't USB-C, like article on thurrot.com says

 

[DForce]

Phil Spencer: "we will not be out of position on power or price"

GAF:

Hmm.. Seems familiar when people call Mark Cerny a liar whenever he mentioned Ray Tracing for the PS5.

 

[Imtjnotu]

oh thank god there is vents in the back

 

[ManaByte]

So, that round port isn't USB-C, like article on thurrot.com says

He doesn't say anything about USB-C:

As it stands right now, the series X features, on the back of the hardware, two USB-A ports (of the SuperSpeed variety), ethernet, a single HDMI port, optical audio, and a power connection. There is also another port on the back that may be used for debugging but there wasn't an agreement on the nature of its functionality. The image at the top of this post shows a basic outline of how those ports appear on the actual hardware.

 

[it_wasn't_me]

Looks like there is a usb c, the oval one .. also Ethernet , and is that a caddy for the Ssd, that says Xbox.

There is no USB-C on the back. That's power port

 

[it_wasn't_me]

He doesn't say anything about USB-C:

I've said USB-c because it's port is rounded and near size of USB-A port. That's why i said USB-c

 

[kikonawa]

thats one giant console

 

[sinnergy]

Well the Xbox logo looks like an SSD NVME caddy ... much more interesting...

 

[ManaByte]

I've said USB-c because it's port is rounded and near size of USB-A port. That's why i said USB-c

Same round power plug as the S and X (and they both take the same cable, I didn't even need to swap it out when I got my X it's still using the power cord that came with the S).

 

[Fake]

More like a desktop. IMO that AMD fake ports its not too far from the real.

 

[it_wasn't_me]

Same round power plug as the S and X (and they both take the same cable, I didn't even need to swap it out when I got my X it's still using the power cord that came with the S).

Yes, i know. But this round power port is bigger than USB-A in X1S and X1 shot.. In this XSX shot with ports isn't, it's about the same size.

 

[MoreJRPG]

I don't grasp as straws im correct as usual.

PS4 Pro | Faster, more powerful & with 4K gaming | PlayStation

Everything you need to know about PS4 Pro from the official PlayStation site. 4K gaming, enhanced performance & HDR technology from the most powerful PS4.

www.playstation.com

First thing u see is 4k hdr logo before these nuggets of advertising bs.

"4K gaming and entertainment
Play the latest blockbuster games and PlayStation exclusives in stunning 4K from the PS4 Pro console, and stream your favourite entertainment with incredible visual detail from 4K compatible services.
Faster frame rates
Increase your immersion in the fastest, most explosive PS4 games with boosted frame rates in a range of PS4 Pro enhanced games, made possible by the extra power of PS4 Pro."

"4K gaming
Play the latest games in amazing 4K* clarity; skin tones become warmer, materials take on realistic textures and environments come alive like never before."

These are all the first and biggest dotpoints on the playstation pro page .. right now ... when we know it's all false.

Also feel those faster frame rates lol

Do everyone a favour and read the asterisks attached to those statements.

 

[xool]

As it stands right now, the series X features, on the back of the hardware, two USB-A ports (of the SuperSpeed variety), ethernet, a single HDMI port, optical audio, and a power connection. There is also another port on the back that may be used for debugging but there wasn't an agreement on the nature of its functionality. The image at the top of this post shows a basic outline of how those ports appear on the actual hardware.

Also, on the back of the device are openings for air intake as well; all of the ports are located on the lower half of the hardware. Keep in mind, there is also a USB-A port on the front of the console but for now, it looks like Microsoft is sticking with the older USB style port.

So what's the green lozenge at the top ?

 

[Fake]

Do everyone a favour and read the asterisks attached to those statements.

Don't give him attention. Mods already told for not bring console war list to the thread.

 

[xool]

So, high possibility of external power brick. Btw. where is power port?

iec c8 socket bottom right, next to the hdmi

 

[DeepEnigma]

Same round power plug as the S and X (and they both take the same cable, I didn't even need to swap it out when I got my X it's still using the power cord that came with the S).

What do you think the wide rectangle is on the Series X?

 

[ManaByte]

What do you think the wide rectangle is on the Series X?

Probably some debugging port like it says on the site.

 

[THE:MILKMAN]

Who said it has to be limited to 250W? It'll probably be 350W...maybe even more.

I thought the C8 or 'figure 8' connector limits the PSU to 250W? The PS4 Pro, and OG PS3 before it, both had the higher rated 3 prong C14/'kettle' inlet as they had >300W PSUs.

In any case I'm just surprised it wouldn't use the C14 inlet if it is indeed a >300W PSU.

 

[demigod]

Yep its gonna be rough on some of you guys. Enjoy the orisis black fantasy and klee chomping wood stories . When feb comes and goes I wonder what will happen. Thanks for following me and being a fan on twitter

I guess its only ok to tell me things like you will see. One thing i been has always been consistent on this. Power matters, Xbox wont be slightly less powerful. Its not about me antagonizing others, just responding to those that claimed id be shut up . It continues. Feb next up .

So you're back to warring yet completely ignored my post. I'm still waiting for this imaginery post you claim of OsirisBlack hyping up CES. I still don't see the bet, looks like you're not confident the Xbox has the power advantage.

 

[Nikana]

So what's the green lozenge at the top ?

Thats where the flames come out.

 

[xool]

Yes, i know. But this round power port is bigger than USB-A in X1S and X1 shot.. In this XSX shot with ports isn't, it's about the same size.

It's just a schematic .. they can't invent a new mains cable (legal) definitely internal PSU .. if you want to go crazy it could be a C1 [shave plug socket] (max rating 0.2 A - so under 50Watts .. nope)

I thought the C8 or 'figure 8' connector limits the PSU to 250W? The PS4 Pro, and OG PS3 before it, both had the higher rated 3 prong C14/'kettle' inlet as they had >300W PSUs.

In any case I'm just surprised it wouldn't use the C14 inlet if it is indeed a >300W PSU.

2.5A max, depends if you are a 110V or 240V system .. but yeah - seems a little low - like I said above - probably just a schematic, C9 or C13 seems more likely.

[edit] - old 360 PSU used a C17 - it's a 2 pin version of the "kettle lead" .. maybe that'll make a comeback

 

[Insane Metal]

 

[pawel86ck]

Guys, do we really need RT?

 

[Sosokrates]

So pleased XsX is going to be a beast
They are really stepping up what is possible regarding thermals and power in a console.

 

[Dargor]

No wonder these guys are paid thousands of dollars, just look at this incredible, creative and out of the box approach to design.

 

[ANIMAL1975]

I don't grasp as straws im correct as usual.

PS4 Pro | Faster, more powerful & with 4K gaming | PlayStation

Everything you need to know about PS4 Pro from the official PlayStation site. 4K gaming, enhanced performance & HDR technology from the most powerful PS4.

www.playstation.com

First thing u see is 4k hdr logo before these nuggets of advertising bs.

"4K gaming and entertainment
Play the latest blockbuster games and PlayStation exclusives in stunning 4K from the PS4 Pro console, and stream your favourite entertainment with incredible visual detail from 4K compatible services.
Faster frame rates
Increase your immersion in the fastest, most explosive PS4 games with boosted frame rates in a range of PS4 Pro enhanced games, made possible by the extra power of PS4 Pro."

"4K gaming
Play the latest games in amazing 4K* clarity; skin tones become warmer, materials take on realistic textures and environments come alive like never before."

These are all the first and biggest dotpoints on the playstation pro page .. right now ... when we know it's all false.

Also feel those faster frame rates lol

What is your point with the link you provided? There isn't a single claim of native 4k games (and we know there are a few of them out there) and that little singy they put after the 4Ks the little (*) singy, is telling you to go read in the end of the page:

*Games and entertainment streaming services can output up to 2160p; PS4 Pro upscales lower resolutions to 2160p. HDR not supported by all games and entertainment streaming services. 4K/HDR TV required for 4K and HDR.**HDR and faster frame rates not supported by all games and video content

So stop with this nonsense, there is no misleading campaign to advertise false 4k on the Pro! Everyone and their mothers know it is the weaker machine, the checkerboard console, it was criticized like that since it's revelation! And you don't remember why? Because that was the main focus of Cernys presentation on the event _ its innovatives checkerboard techniques delivered to the devs to reach 4k! Lol talk about false advertising.

 

[Insane Metal]

Nextgen consoles CPU: https://www.amd.com/en/products/apu/amd-ryzen-7-4800u

IMO. HeisenbergFX4 whatcha think?

Since CPU only is 15W I expect some kind of improvement, like a bigger L3 cache (32MB instead of 8MB for example).

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Honestly I don't know the exact hardware being used as that is being guarded very tightly.

I just have an idea where things will land when this all shakes out and pretty much everyone will win, or lose depending on what number you think your platform will land on.

Guesses and all

 

[Lort]

Do everyone a favour and read the asterisks attached to those statements.

The playstation 5 will play games at *8k.

* it wont this is marketing bs that if you believe your an idiot but we know some people will which is why we are happy to lie.. we also find it super annoying when xbox actually does what we claim to do but can't deliver... and their advertising is truthful.

 

[The Mad Draklor]

The playstation 5 will play games at *8k.

* it wont this is marketing bs that if you believe your an idiot but we know some people will which is why we are happy to lie.. we also find it super annoying when xbox actually does what we claim to do but can't deliver... and their advertising is truthful.

Are you okay? Your mental state doesn't appear to be so good.

 

[BattleScar]

I thought the C8 or 'figure 8' connector limits the PSU to 250W? The PS4 Pro, and OG PS3 before it, both had the higher rated 3 prong C14/'kettle' inlet as they had >300W PSUs.

In any case I'm just surprised it wouldn't use the C14 inlet if it is indeed a >300W PSU.

That image is not official. There is no info available about power delivery.

 

[Lort]

What is your point with the link you provided? There isn't a single claim of native 4k games (and we know there are a few of them out there) and that little singy they put after the 4Ks the little (*) singy, is telling you to go read in the end of the page:


So stop with this nonsense, there is no misleading campaign to advertise false 4k on the Pro! Everyone and their mothers know it is the weaker machine, the checkerboard console, it was criticized like that since it's revelation! And you don't remember why? Because that was the main focus of Cernys presentation on the event _ its innovatives checkerboard techniques delivered to the devs to reach 4k! Lol talk about false advertising.

Play games at 4k woth faster frame rates*

* everyone knows its the weaker console that requires checkerboard and yet still has many patched games that run at 1440 and the faster frame rates are just when the game ran unbelievably crap before. In other words your a complete fool if you believe what it clearly states I playstation advertising .. but that's ok because if you buy it based on this information you'll realise your such an idiot you won't complain or ask for your money back and instead will take up posting on forums that xbox isnt any better ... when it actually is.

 

[chemical boy]

Honestly I don't know the exact hardware being used as that is being guarded very tightly.

I just have an idea where things will land when this all shakes out and pretty much everyone will win, or lose depending on what number you think your platform will land on.

Guesses and all

What are your estimates regarding Tflops for both? Thank you.