splattered
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By this logic you forgot the X Series X Pro 16TF for 599 haha
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By this logic you forgot the X Series X Pro 16TF for 599 haha
I've never heard such nonsense in my lifeI'm sure the TF difference will be between 3 and 4 if the 56 CU vs. 36 CU difference exists.
And Sony is spending the money trying to achieve high clocks to be more competitive. They'll get poorer yields than MS. You guys know that AMD's current flagship card, the 5700 XT, will operate slightly above 1800 MHz (in a well cooled test setup) while gaming?
So, if Sony is trying to get Navi based APU to run way higher than that in a console it'll be expensive. And remember, the 5700 XT is using the highest binned Navi 10 parts in it's flagship card while console parts cannot be binned.
Sony won't want to lose money to push its most valuable brand even higher, but Microsoft will want to lose money to push its least valuable resource higher
Brilliant !!)!!))!)!)!)
ANIMAL1975
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You got a link to it?Sony has vr. Vr has less latency and higher framerate with dual gpu according to nvidia....
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pawel86ck
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I'm guessing because we cant benchmark xbox one console and conclude real architecture gains on average
.8x xbox one 1.3TF (1.4TF xbox one s) = 10.4TF (and 11.2 for xbox one s).
According to digital foundry article Navi is around 30% faster compared to polaris (xbox x), but GCN tahiti (xbox one) was even slower (and especially in games / scenes with tessellation), so in the end Navi should be around 50% faster compared to GCN tahiti. You dont need 10TF Navi to match 8x xbox one s (11.2TF)
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MoreJRPG
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You're just spewing uneducated nonsense at this point. Sony never claimed native 4K in anything, it was always "extremely close to 4K" and the utilization of checkerboard rendering to achieve that.
It's quite funny to see people like you desperately grasp at straws.
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DeepEnigma
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Marketing?
At Xbox Need only Twitter
Apparently it is all Sony needs as well.
PS5 Logo Attracts Double the Attention of Xbox Series X Reveal on Instagram
https://www.pushsquare.com/news/2020/01/ps5_logo_attracts_double_the_attention_of_xbox_series_x_reveal_on_instagram "We stayed up until 1:30am last night to watch Sony's Jim Ryan reveal the official PlayStation 5 logo so that you didn't have to, but that didn't stop millions of people across...
Reindeer
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I'm pretty sure Phil wasn't talking about VCR Xbox that Microsoft doesn't even make anymore. One S = 1.4 tflopsI'm guessing because we cant benchmark xbox one console and conclude real architecture gains on average
8x xbox one (1.2TF) = 9.6 TF
According to digital foundry article Navi is around 30% faster compared to polaris (xbox x), but GCN tahiti (xbox one) was even slower (and especially in games / scenes with tessellation), so in the end Navi should be around 50% faster compared to GCN tahiti.
AMD said Navi is GCN X 1.25
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Denis Colovic
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To all the people who get hyped about the sheer number of likes on a social media platform: I hope you guys know that this is not any real metric of how well or bad a product will sell in the end. Especially since posts like these are most likely to be targeted adds on social media or are even supported with enormous advertisement campaigns that are running allongside and outiside of the specific target platform. One brand having more popularity than another doesent equel in more revenue or lifetime sales. It just means that in culture or even pop culutre this brand has a higher popularity. Or why dont we all run around in Gucci and Prada clothes? Or why dont we all drive a Tesla?. A product still needs to have various other factors in place for someone to start having a desire to own it and in the end deciding to buy it. The number of likes on a social media post are only one factor influencing this desire and decision to buy a specific product.
To me this just means the brand is more popular in generel or it has better targeted marketing. Or perhaps a higher budget was spend for marketing expaneses during that month. Also the PS5 logo reveal was made on CES which is to my knowledge by far a biger event then the game awards. So its only obvious a tweet timed with the CES has more impressions and interactions then one that was done after the game awards. This needs to be taken into account. But hey lets just all continue to make sales forecasts based on the popularity of a brand or posts on social media. That's like trying to forecast the weather by measuring the size of our hands. There is so much fanboyism in this thread that sometimes I feel the utmost desire to unsub it already.
To me this just means the brand is more popular in generel or it has better targeted marketing. Or perhaps a higher budget was spend for marketing expaneses during that month. Also the PS5 logo reveal was made on CES which is to my knowledge by far a biger event then the game awards. So its only obvious a tweet timed with the CES has more impressions and interactions then one that was done after the game awards. This needs to be taken into account. But hey lets just all continue to make sales forecasts based on the popularity of a brand or posts on social media. That's like trying to forecast the weather by measuring the size of our hands. There is so much fanboyism in this thread that sometimes I feel the utmost desire to unsub it already.
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chemical boy
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Reindeer
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The Game Awards received over 45 million live streams.
ANIMAL1975
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I feel much more knowledgeable about this things now, thank you for the time you spent to bring some light into this matters, you can unsub it now.
The Mad Draklor
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I think the craze around a friggin logo is hilarious, but it has more to do with how the PS5 garnered more attention with a single logo in spite of the XSX getting more "favorable" attention and Microsoft hyping up their next console.
Fake
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Reindeer
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I see you're feeling generous.
Denis Colovic
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Fake
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5 of PS5.
Denis Colovic
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I probably made more enemies with that one post of mine then the guy trying to convince us sony is lying about RT.
Gudji
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Phil Spencer: "we will not be out of position on power or price"
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Also Phil Spencer: "we will not be out of position on power or price"
Matt comment on ERA:
ManaByte reaction:
Fake
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So kind of you let everyone know your intentions.
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The Mad Draklor
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A certain user told me that the "negative" press about the PS5 has gained a lot of "steam" and the fact that Sony hasn't said anything means they're hiding underpowered specs. How has the market responded, thus far?
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Around a 1.5% increase as of 12:45? Wait, I thought the "negative" press had a lot of "steam".
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Around a 1.5% increase as of 12:45? Wait, I thought the "negative" press had a lot of "steam".
Felessan
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Phil was talking carefully pre-written marketing speech that leaves as much as possible room for interpretation. And if it turns out to be related to VCR Xbox - you have zero chance to argue against.
This "he for sure talked about One S as Xbox One is discontinued" is a wishfull thinking. In reality he is a PR person who needs to push narrative in a positive for new XBOX way, so he will (not necessary in this case) use comparison to OG Xbox One if it makes Seriex X looks better.
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Denis Colovic
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A certain user told me that the "negative" press about the PS5 has gained a lot of "steam" and the fact that Sony hasn't said anything means they're hiding underpowered specs. How has the market responded, thus far?
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Around a 1.5% increase as of 12:45? Wait, I thought the "negative" press had a lot of "steam".
Its nice to see it hitting 70. Kinda curious to see where it will go before close today.
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ethomaz
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Armchair analysis with bias strikes again.A certain user told me that the "negative" press about the PS5 has gained a lot of "steam" and the fact that Sony hasn't said anything means they're hiding underpowered specs. How has the market responded, thus far?
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Around a 1.5% increase as of 12:45? Wait, I thought the "negative" press had a lot of "steam".
He didn't even know what is negative press when he uses rumors as example lol
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Also Phil Spencer: "we will not be out of position on power or price"
Matt comment on ERA:
ManaByte reaction:
Matt's a fanboy people only pay attention to because he sucked up enough to be a mod.
This is a great analysis of frequency Vs power consumption of the 5700XT.
On this sample to sustain 1.75Ghz it used 136W and to sustain 2Ghz it used 200W of power. This represents a 47% power increase for the additional 250Mhz.
This illustrates why a ~56CU design running at 1.7Ghz is a much better solution than a 36CU design running at 2Ghz. The 56CU design will draw roughly the same amount of power as the 36CUs at 2Ghz while having 25% more compute performance.
On this sample to sustain 1.75Ghz it used 136W and to sustain 2Ghz it used 200W of power. This represents a 47% power increase for the additional 250Mhz.
This illustrates why a ~56CU design running at 1.7Ghz is a much better solution than a 36CU design running at 2Ghz. The 56CU design will draw roughly the same amount of power as the 36CUs at 2Ghz while having 25% more compute performance.
Denis Colovic
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So I know those renders that AMD showed of the Series X are not real, but how likely is it actually that it might actually be the case the Series X has support for multiple tvs or monitors? What do you all think?
Gudji
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He's a great fanboy as you can tell by these comments:
If you want more please do tell.
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FranXico
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Featuring pass-through like the XBox One is a natural expectation.
Hawking Radiation
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Reading Matt's comments, I was looking for the fanboy parts but dont seem to find any.
What exactly is Manabyte on about calling Matt a fanboy?
Hawking Radiation
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Do you mind quoting the posts that he comes across as being a fanboy?
The Mad Draklor
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Disagreement is
Andodalf
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Highly unlikely. Either Devs are forced to support multi monitor stuff, which just isn't happening for many devs on console, or the console keeps power permanently in reserve to use the 2nd monitor of other OS things and Apps, keeping power away from games like the One did for PIP stuff, which wasn't great and it got rid of years ago.
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SportsFan581
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We need a new leak, just something tiny to reignite the convo. 
MS hasn't said anything about TF at all, an important point so far. Also, Sony had a 13TF dev kit last summer that they didn't mind people talking about. Combine that with how poor a decision to go for 36cu at 2ghz would be, and maybe you shouldn't take everything you read as gospel. I doubt Sony is going to sell their users up the river like that. They will reveal their own beast in due time (Some of the Xbots might be overconfident) . We'll have to see where the TF fall then, looks like it will be good news for everybody.
MS hasn't said anything about TF at all, an important point so far. Also, Sony had a 13TF dev kit last summer that they didn't mind people talking about. Combine that with how poor a decision to go for 36cu at 2ghz would be, and maybe you shouldn't take everything you read as gospel. I doubt Sony is going to sell their users up the river like that. They will reveal their own beast in due time (Some of the Xbots might be overconfident) . We'll have to see where the TF fall then, looks like it will be good news for everybody.
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ethomaz
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He is not saying Xbox is stronger so he is definitely a fanboy.
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Denis Colovic
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Hm interesting. Well it got me thinking because if both consoles MS and Sony have the ability to run 4k content with 60FPS then in theory it could be possible to run a game on some kind of suround spaning mode like on PC. I mean in theory both consoles would have enough power for this kind of feature.
Hawking Radiation
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Yep just seen his post history. Yikes.
it_wasn't_me
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Social medias influence for marketing isn't necessarily about direct sales (or whatever your business end goal is) but in creating a brand that people want to interact with and can feel familiar with.
The people who are engaged enough to follow and interact with your channel are not only more likely to follow through with your product but also help to raise awareness with others.
It's just a part of the whole marketing process but it's a damn important one these days and those laughing at people discussing it clearly have no idea what they are talking about.
Some very specific hugely popular persons on Instagram get that kind of reach which has over 100 mil. followers
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Gudji
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Even if what you say is true, he was the 1st to say PS5 had hardware ray tracing while people were making all kind of bullshit claims about it being software.
He also was one of the first to hint at the XSX reveal at the VGAs.
Seems to me he knows what he's talking about.
And btw to clear some confusion on the thread, he did say if he had to make a guess he expected the XSX to have a slight advantage over PS5. But that was months ago so who knows.
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David Ricardo
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Matt said that if he had to make an educated guess, he would guess that Xbox would come up stronger.He is not saying Xbox is stronger so he is definitely a fanboy.
To me it felt like they are so close in specs, he expects microsoft to upclock their chip to overtake the PS5 teraflop number.
Kdad
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You really can't tell we are taking the PiS5 here can you?
Gudji
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He did but he also said he doesn't know which one is "stronger". Which probably means both consoles could have different advantages, i.e one with a slightly better gpu, another with a better SSD or memory and so on.
In the end if you read his posts and also jason schreier (I'm not even going to talk about Klee because I know people just love to dismiss him) they're both kinda saying the same shit. Both machines will be awesome, both will be priced similar.
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