joe_zazen
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while sony gaming may have hit peak profits, the company as a whole may not have. But, yeah, expect volatility when 5 is shown.
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while sony gaming may have hit peak profits, the company as a whole may not have. But, yeah, expect volatility when 5 is shown.
CyberPanda
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TeamGhobad
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lockhart 299
ps5 399
anaconda 499
ps5 399
anaconda 499
TheStruggler
Report me for trolling ND/TLoU2 threads
Because I want better from Miscrosofr because this gen they really let me down in terms of fun and quality aka state of decay, crackdown, sea of thieves, halo etc
I have no stakes in the Winnipeg Jets but I sure as fuck want them winning the Stanley Cup in the next few years, I want them to be competitive and succeed. MS still has lots to prove and I can only feel they will let me down again
sonomamashine
Member
hahahahah it's ridiculous.
sonomamashine
Member
TeamGhobad
Banned
no way 449, ps5 is cheaper.
Arubedo
Neo Member
I am already doing that, but with now having thousands of dollars of digital games from pre-paid cards (Including paying for PSNOW + PS Plus)
i'm really anxious about not having my country recognized when other huge services like Netflix or Spotify are already doing that.
It's honestly bothering to have to pay pre-paid cards ever time and if Sony one day wants to Ban accounts for no reasons because they dont
use their services in the recognized countries, well im fucked. Thanks for the answer tho!
JLMC469
Banned
By the looks of it this consoles will be expensive.
Darklor01
Might need to stop sniffing glue
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
It is only being done because people want to spread "doom and gloom" FUD for showing a Logo, when we know more about these two machines so far (officially) than we did at the same time last gen.
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joe_zazen
Member
MS bragging about chip size most likely means xsx is power winner. 405 vs 315....yeah. idk if even euv could bridge that gap. odds on sony showing die shot before nov 2020?
PocoJoe
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Why sell 150$ BoM phones for 200-300
When you can sell 200-500$ BoM phones for 800-1400$?
People are crazy and pay so much extra for apple. And it must give them best profits, maybe they also want to be known as "premium" items.
Harder to sell that +1000$ phone if they sell cheap ass phones too.
People also like to think they are special when buying popular premium items, like those stupid ass supreme clothes that people have to line up for and pay 100x what they should.
Tl:dr +70% of people are morons, so apple makes money money
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I don't think we even saw the PS4 chip until people did teardown vids.
longdi
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Likes can easily turns to thumbs down. I seen this all the time with consoles warring.
Sony should be ashamed if they dont show up with V, in due time.
400mm2 die size is fucking huge on 7nm! I was expecting something smaller than 1X, or similar. Phil is going to twist that knife in real hard. I have never seen SCE lose such a tech fight since...PS3...you guessed it.
PS3 was in reality not much more powerful than 360, but they launched a year later at much higher prices. Sony had to rely on faked hype to keep the wait going. They ended up getting bashed with the jaggies and framerates upon the real testing.
David Ricardo
Member
You may have been here longer than many, but that doesn't make you wiser, specially as it seems you are not learning from your mistakes:
VGLeaks: Details multiple devkits evolution of Orbis
Wait what? He is implying that bluray made the ps3 a $599 console and adding a cell for BC would not. Personally I think BC with PS3 is not going to happen nor is it needed.
sonomamashine
Member
Kinda hope so & hope not, i just don't want a weak console, my guesstimate is that it wont be a huge difference between xbox & playstation that's why 449$.
Send Sony a mail, who knows might change.
....BOY IF YOU DON'T GET.
Fake
Member
You must missed almost 100 pages of pure console war posts.
pawel86ck
Banned
This picture proves without any doubt Phil Spencer wasnt talking about GCN 12 TF perfomance equivalent (9TF Navi) but 12 TF Navi. 9TF would be closer to 320mm2, not above 400mm2
.Xbox one was underpowered at launch so I'm glad MS returns to its roots with xbox SX (scarlet / anaconda). This thing should offer around 2080S performance in rasterization and with VRS on top of that the vast majority of AAA games should run at 4K 30fps native and many at 60fps probably.
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sonomamashine
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You forgot about those RT core how much real estate they occupy.This picture proves without any doubt Phil Spencer wasnt talking about GCN 12 TF perfomance equivalent (9TF Navi) but 12 TF Navi. 9TF would be closer to 320mm2, not above 400mm2
Xbox one was underpowered at launch so I'm glad MS returns to its roots with xbox SX (scarlet / anaconda). This thing should offer around 2080S performance in rasterization and with VRS on top of that the vast majority of games should run at 4K 30fps native.
Arubedo
Neo Member
Thanks for taking your time to answer me!
Reindeer
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ethomaz
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I really prefer more power but the Other option is not a big deal too.
Sony needs to delivery games like they usually do... that is what always won gens.
I believe PS4 was the first console to win a gen being the stronger one.
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it_wasn't_me
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Results aren't there yet. Not even close.
pawel86ck
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You suggest additional 80-100mm2 is because of RT cores alone? Sorry but I doubt and especially if XSX SoC will be build using a 7nm+ process. This thing has 56CU (52CU active) minimum and I'm not surprised because this whole discussion about 12TF Vega GCN vs 12TF Navi was really absurd (MS would only need 6.5TF Navi to match 8x xbox one consoles, not 9 or 10TF).
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mrBarrelNut
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My predictions:
- Both will be $499.
- No Lockhart at launch, Sparkman SOC is mainly for XCloud blades running XSX games at 1080p for streaming.
- PS5: 8.5 TF (36CU@1850MHz)
- XSX: 12.5 TF (56CU@1750MHz)
- Both will be $499.
- No Lockhart at launch, Sparkman SOC is mainly for XCloud blades running XSX games at 1080p for streaming.
- PS5: 8.5 TF (36CU@1850MHz)
- XSX: 12.5 TF (56CU@1750MHz)
HeisenbergFX4
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Seriously?
Stuart360
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lol no chance.
Fake
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'neo member'
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Reindeer
Member
I agree with you that it's at least 52 CUs, but your math doesn't add up there.
6.5X1.25=8.125
8.125÷1.4=5.8
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Bladed Thesis
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Sounds like a personal problem then. And State of Decay, Sea of Thieves and Halo are all fun and quality. Crackdown was fun and quality for a AA game, not the AAA game that Microsoft seemed to be pushing it as. And I don't know what MS was thinking there as neither 1 or 2 was ever a AAA game in that series. Big gaff on their part.
Because I want better from Miscrosofr because this gen they really let me down in terms of fun and quality aka state of decay, crackdown, sea of thieves, halo etc
I have no stakes in the Winnipeg Jets but I sure as fuck want them winning the Stanley Cup in the next few years, I want them to be competitive and succeed. MS still has lots to prove and I can only feel they will let me down again
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mrBarrelNut
Member
How so?
sonomamashine
Member
no i dont, yes 56/52 minimum cu's, we are not sure yet about 7nm+ (unlikely), GCN VS RDNA flops wasn't ridicule because you need to explain to people that don't care about tech that there is a difference between the two.
NickFire
Member
I'm not mad about it and understand why they might want to sell it. But no joke, ever since the rumors started overflowing about a potential sizable difference in performance, the rumored Lockheart keeps short circuiting my thoughts that a switch back to Xbox might be warranted if the price difference is not too extreme (and the power difference is real). I can't shake the feeling that Lockheart will prevent the X from ever seeing its full potential realized if it launches in the same window,
Bladed Thesis
Member
That's going to be a yikes from me dog.
Bladed Thesis
Member
Agreed! That's been a huge problem in the pc gaming too; lower end machines holding back the high end machines.
HeisenbergFX4
Member
I do not know what the current pricing will be. I have been asked a few times and I can only guess.
That said when designing a new console one of the very first things they do is sit down and get a target price they want to end up at.
In no way does Sony and MS come to the same target price yet one is THAT much more powerful unless they want to take massive losses and go bankrupt.
Just my 2 cents
That said when designing a new console one of the very first things they do is sit down and get a target price they want to end up at.
In no way does Sony and MS come to the same target price yet one is THAT much more powerful unless they want to take massive losses and go bankrupt.
Just my 2 cents
Thedtrain
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TheStruggler
Report me for trolling ND/TLoU2 threads
Uhhh this isnt a me problem this is a microsoft problem why do you think they went out and got more studios in the first place? They are fixing it by putting a bandage on hoping the leak stops. MS has been relwxed with gaming since late last gen when they stopped putting out games and it showed even more so this gen. Also their games have not been great and or stellar, this is a MS problem and a problem with direction, why do you think developers praise sony and say they are easy to work for and with?
splattered
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Unless one takes a bit of a loss but gives its players as much power as they can without going bankrupt while the other charges the same amount of money for a much lower powered box expecting to make huge profits from its loyal 106 million sold through fanbase?
I'm seriously gonna laugh my ass off if Sony puts out an 8-9tf box for the same amount of money and try to justify it by focusing on a super fast SSD solution. I will still end up getting the V regardless once there are several NEW exclusives to grab with it, but that may be a while and i'll be ok with that. Heck, I might even get the new switch before the V if that does end up happening.
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Probs got the lockhart part close but there's no way sony would release a console that expensive with those specs. They are not about to make another ps3 generation error after having such a successful generation with ps4
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NickFire
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No idea if that's snark or serious, but I'm not buying a PC. Only buying a console. After owning a mid generation system since it launched, I've yet to play a game on my mid generation system that seemed significantly better than it played, looked, or felt on the base model. Granted I still rock only 1080p tv's, but in my opinion if the devs were targeting my mid generation refresh over the base model, my mid generation refresh would dazzle much more than boost mode.
I'm not arguing to avoid Series X. Might even get one depending on how things play out. Right now I'm just suspect on whether it will be essentially a resolution boost or the actual target model for devs. Time will tell, and I'm itching for more confirmed info.
Bladed Thesis
Member
You've changed what we are talking about. You said they let you down in terms of fun and quality and specifically mentioned four games.
Now you're bringing working with Sony into the discussion. This wasn't what we were talking about.
MS definitely bought studios to expand their focus. I don't think they ever "stopped putting out games." Slowed? Sure. Weak offers? Definitely. But stopped? Now the goalpost is great and/or stellar? What happened to fun and quality? Like we were originally discussing? Remember when I said gaming should be about having fun and not dick measuring and console warring? What happened to that? Now the game needs to be stellar? That goalpost move.
I get it, you're just asking questions and truly concerned for MS and really want them to succeed. I can tell. I'm going to bow out of this chat before the goalpost moves again and you're talking about VR or some shit completely unrelated to your original statement and my original response.
Red_Driver85
Member
Fp8?
mrBarrelNut
Member
I'm sure the TF difference will be between 3 and 4 if the 56 CU vs. 36 CU difference exists.
And Sony is spending the money trying to achieve high clocks to be more competitive. They'll get poorer yields than MS. You guys know that AMD's current flagship card, the 5700 XT, will operate slightly above 1800 MHz (in a well cooled test setup) while gaming?
So, if Sony is trying to get Navi based APU to run way higher than that in a console it'll be expensive. And remember, the 5700 XT is using the highest binned Navi 10 parts in it's flagship card while console parts cannot be binned.
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