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fucking Sony lol Stop over dojng shit and give these other guys a break 
Jesus Christ this is laughable at best. Pc holding consoles back?! Yet the games are DEVELOPED on pc... Even the tech demos, in game engine demos, and trailers are rendered on PC. You guys are embarrassing yourselves, and will be butt hurt when digital foundry ruins your pipe dreams, yet again. Just like generation after generation.
Developed on PC to run on Consoles and get ported to PC in a year. Publishers know where the money is at ;D. Ask Rockstar. And what pipe dreams are you talking about?
And which runs games better? Let's use Rockstar as an example since you mentioned them... Pick any GTA series, or even RDR2, and tell me which console can run better than PC? And by pipe dreams, meaning all of the people who think consoles are better than PC, or that PC is holding consoles back. The delusion is real.
Sounds good for me for a next gen system.
That's not why. In my case anyway. It's because all I see is you pushing PC master race all the time instead of just talking about consoles.
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I see you edited your post. So you do realize on pc, you have system memory, and you have GPU VRAM. Regardless if you have a slow HDD, a SSD, or NVME drive, the games textures, audio, etc are loaded into the system memory, so only load times will be affected on pc. When you have 16gb to 32gb of ram, plus another 11gb of vram, memory isn't an issue, and even a slow platter HDD won't affect GAMEPLAY.
You like to quote digital foundry. so why don't you quote their video on star citizen? That you NEED a SSD to properly run that game?
But I never had those issues you mention and was in fact very impressed with this generation's gfx. You see what you're doing here again?
When a PC games mentions gaming in 4k, it's a night and day difference between that and gaming at "4k" on a console. A PC player is talking about maxed out, ultra everything, 60fps or better, at FULL 4K, and not upscaled. Medium range PC's can do 4k at console level quality, 60fps without much problem. While consoles are dropping to 20fps.
boom. He said his source told him 1080 power and Then it magically went up 3 tflops to 1080ti after the ms 12 tflops reveal. how convenient.Here's his 1080 performance, like i said fake insider.
Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD
Double digit Tflops confirmed by insider on the other place...... Retardera?www.neogaf.com
How about you wait and see what developers do with the SSD next-gen? And all that for presumably 500 dollars. Look I have a gaming PC, but I only get exited for a new generation of Consoles. You ask why? Because I get rock hard when I see games like HZD and God of War. I don't give a fuck about how much resolution or fps I can get for a multiplat on my PC. I am excited for the level of execution and polish they give me with Console exclusives. Example of comparable titles. Uncharted 4 and Tomb Raider. Tomb Raider is the little bitch of UC4. Laras animation when she is running in the last game looks like she could be in the paralympics.
Definitely not unheard of. But can you point me to one that is underclocked and undervolted, that can perform in a 12TF range? Also taking into consideration TDP and powering other components.
Well... That was all irrelevant to your claim about the SSD... Seems like the goal posts were completely moved out of the solar system, but I enjoyed the read, I guess?
yes. Check Phil spencers Twitter page.i believe his current profile pic has a 405mm2 die which should house 60-70cus at relatively low clocks of 1.45 ghz to hit 12 tflops.
You moved it first. First you claim the SSD is not important for PC gaming then when I show you are wrong, you talk about "Is there an open world game with that level of geometry and open space to explore exist on console? " Stupid question when there are no consoles with SSDs yet.
I've seen the picture, but the package size is unconfirmed, further more the package also contains the CPU AND what not. Only time will tell, but as history repeats itself, don't expect much from speculation and rumors. Imagine Sony/MS taking a 300 to 500 dollar loss for each console sold, to perform like a RTX 2080. Sounds like a pipe dream to me.
Well I'm gonna tell you now that if the PS5 goes superconsole it can go up to 20tf but it can only maintain that power a short while.
Stupid response on your part though... You listed a single game, which is the definition of an open world on crack, and try to make it seem like every game NEEDS that. And there are current consoles with SSD's. People have put them into current ps4's. Decreases loading time, but that's about it. In next gen, they will decrease loading times again. Doubt they will be used as a hybrid for system memory, as the lifespan would drop significantly from all the Read/Write iops. And pc's use system memory to cache files from the hdd/ssd. So big difference there.
zen 2 cpu is only 70 mm2 of that and they should be using a cut down version of the cpu which should be around 40mm2. Memory controllers, bus etc shouldn't cost more than 30mm2. That leaves 330mm2 for a GPU much bigger than the one we saw in the 250mm2 5700xt.
You need a power supply that is capable of providing more than 500watts, for a system to draw 500watts of power. The next gen consoles are rumored to be around 200-250 watts.... Need i say more?
Look, I feel you, but we are talking about "better than PC" (PS5's SSD) parts for next gen.
A bigger die doesn't mean much if it is power/thermal/frequency limited. You can have a 2080 ti die, and downclock the hell out of it. Will it perform the same as if you fed it the power it requires to reach full performance? Especially paired with more of a laptop chip, than a full fledged desktop cpu? Far from it. Just don't expect 1080 ti performance. That's all I'm saying
Are you not understanding what imsaying on purpose? I know you can plug in a damn SSD in your console. You know what I meant by that. Next-gen consoles will have SSDs as a baseline and developers will utilize them. Or do you know any PC that is build ca. 100 mio times?
And they will help gaming on consoles in terms of loading times. Not much more than that. Most gaming pc's have 16gb of memory, PLUS their GPU's vram. So pc's will be loading into system memory, and everything else to the GPU. Consoles will load from the ssd into memory, and stream everything else from the ssd. Unless there is an amazing controller, a SSD with unlimited read/write, consoles will not be using the ssd as system memory. I'm not sure why that is so hard for you to understand. Only loading times will be affected this gen. Less pop in textures on console then the mess that took place this gen. This won't affect pc games in the least bit. Does that make any sense now?
Ok let's play that game. The ps4 used a 5400rpm hdd. Which is 30% shower than a 7200rpm hdd, which is slower than a 10000rpm hdd, which is significantly slower than a 1.5gbps ssd, which is slower than a 3gbps ssd, which is slower than a nvme drive. So yeah, when you use the slowest possible hdd, anything better will have less to no pop in. Wanna try again?
I don't downplay consoles. As matter a fact I want them to be the best hardware possible. You can check my post history where i say this several times. My reasoning is because consoles keep PC gaming from progressing. We went from games like Crysis 1, open world, great visuals, physics, etc. Then the series goes to console, and PC players now get the shit end of the stick. Downgraded visuals, gameplay, corridor gameplay instead of open world, etc. If consoles get better specs, it means pc gaming won't be shafted. With that being said, there are too many Fanboys saying pc will hold consoles back, etc. Not to mention, basic logic will show you how delusional people are to think consoles will have better specs than enthusiast pc hardware. Not gonna happen.
Brother ofcourse I want a console that costs 1000 dollars or more. but we could be waiting years until we have a large consumer base. Console are not holding back anything. A developer could make a game for 16 cores cpu with and RTX 2080 Ti and 32gb ram or whatever as a baseline but they would probably go bankrupt
Consoles are holding back every multi release on PC. This won't change until there isn't a huge discrepancy in hardware between the two. This generation will shorten the gap by a good bit, as consoles won't have a Fisher-Price cpu such as the Jaguar. I'm hopeful in that sense, but i can only dream...
