Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD

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Fdkenzo said:
i just realised that i can put the image directly from my phone.
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Calendar ? why you would need Calendar in console ? unless there is virtual assistant in PS5 to keep track on your schedule
 
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Garjon said:
IIRC Sony's original reveal in February was not very well received at the time, mainly due to the anaemic content of the games shown (remember 'Please be Excited'?) so I can see why they would be more inclined to do a big show later in the year
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The only negative I heard was about the lack of info on DRM and 24 hour check in. Of course we later learned that was a master play to hold their position until they could embarrass MS at E3. I remember people were happy they actually showed gameplay of Killzone instead of a fake trailer of Killzone like with PS3
 
Fdkenzo said:
i just realised that i can put the image directly from my phone.
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Gonna be a little annoyed if it's another slow ass webview, even if the drastically faster per-core performance helps with its pep. Just use the native system from the start and have a nicer console experience for millions of players for years.

But whether that's real or not, it doesn't seem to jive with what's known from the Wired article, so maybe not final.
 
LordOfChaos said:
Gonna be a little annoyed if it's another slow ass webview, even if the drastically faster per-core performance helps with its pep. Just use the native system from the start and have a nicer console experience for millions of players for years.

But whether that's real or not, it doesn't seem to jive with what's known from the Wired article, so maybe not final.
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Or maybe this is the early dev kit OS? And will be updated as we get closer to launch ?
 
Realistically speaking, I think SONY will announce the console specifications in March or April. The design, price and preorders will probably be at Gamescom.
Remember, last time PS4 specifications was anounced in February, the Price, design and preorders was after E3.
 
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On Demand said:
Too many assumptions.

8tf PS5 and Sony being caught off guard needs to be let go.




Can't be the PS5 interface. In the wired article they mention it's going to be completely revamped and have live data about the games you're playing.

www.wired.com

Exclusive: A Deeper Look at the PlayStation 5

Now that the name is official, we've got more details about Sony's next-gen console—from the haptics-packed controller to UI improvements.
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I second this. Its fucking fake. This thread is fake. Everything is fake.

Where's my fucking PS meeting Sony !!!! JESUS !!!
 
Daniel_Mallorca1985 said:
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OH wow tht controller looks legit a D niceeee
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Roronoa Zoro said:
Preorders will sell out immediately regardless and immediately if last time is anything to go by
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Sure, but you also have to worry about people who pre-ordered an Xbox Series X or S because Sony waited until September to reveal their new console. People can easily cancel their Xbox pre-order, but you don't want to wait too long for that to happen.
 
Gamernyc78 said:
If it is, its a thing of beauty lol
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Yes Yes. It sure is. This looks like a premium device. God i hope the real dualshock 5 looks like this.

I would be happy to shell out whatever Sony wants me to to pick up a controller like this.

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The Nacon Revolution Unlimited is a fantastic pro controller for PS4 but the battery life sux more balls than the dualshock 4. Outstanding built quality let down by piss poor battery life.
 
Is this Dual Shock 5 concept based on the patents filed by Sony? I hope it is to give us an accurate look at the controller design.

Now there is a console design that is not fully showed in the above concept design. I hope this person has a PS5 concept design to show off

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OMG this fake concept dual shock 5 is making me refresh this page every few seconds. Thats how desperate i am for any reveal from Sony. I really need to stay off Gaf. My blood pressure
 
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Utterly stunning controller design and would make me actually somewhat like the ps5 controller.

Except for those back "triggers" which look bloody terrible to use.

But as for the rest... man, that would sure be something.

Shame the actual products are never this good, but then as was said... we would all be enjoying our $300 controllers 🤣

But man, those sticks look so much nicer than the tripe we will likely get (PS4 ones were awful, and PS3/2 were utterly unusable)
 
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Ovech-King said:
50 hours battery life... Haha good one
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Don't see why that would not be possible. I mean surely there has to be huge capacity batteries out there that hit that mark. The Xbox 360 battery hit that mark i believe.

I mean 360 controller battery tech is years old and i'm sure there would be better ways to squeeze more juice out of these batteries. I really don't see a 50 hour controller battery as a pipe dream. Its defo possible.
 
schaft0620 said:
Somebody at Sony right now is in trouble for not doing a job this great, I assure you.

JK great job.
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Somehow i doubt the real dual shock 5 will look this premium. I'm hoping though that Sony really follows through on their 'PS5 will be premium' talk.
A premium device should look and feel premium. From low operating sound to good solid quality materials on the console and system features.

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Jesus, double posting like a true junkie. Apologies mods and fellow Gaf members.
 
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HeisenbergFX4 said:
As in for a Super Bowl commercial?

You want them to spend 5 million to flash the box when a Tweet could do the same thing?

I for one am glad they skip E3 and not spend the 30 million it costs for those big companies to put on those shows.

I guess I am just getting to be that old get off my lawn kind of guy :)
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I mean they don't have to, but the super bowl will reach more ppl than E3. If they wanted to they could do it.
 
schaft0620 said:
Somebody at Sony right now is in trouble for not doing a job this great, I assure you.

JK great job.
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You mean somebody at Sony better be taking NOTES.

I just love the back rubber grips and the whole design. It's utterly gorgeous, fake or not. I always wanted that rubber grip on controllers, but sadly it doesn't play well with sweat. I had a steel series mouse for a good 3 years and after about 2 the side rubber just started to decay, and it went sticky and just disintegrated... shame as the mouse was still totally fine.

But man, everything about this just makes me angry we won't get anything like this, for either company console or controller.

Love it.

It's really sad that the best news we have gotten in bloody ages is a fake video 🤣
 
That's a fantastic DS5 concept, but it is way too good to be a $60-70 MSRP controller; likely not even $100. It wouldn't get the normal DS5 branding, but it'd be an excellent DS5 "Pro" or something.
 
Roronoa Zoro said:
Surely they wouldn't miss black Friday? I'd think they would want to be out at least a week before that. Hell I've always thought the earlier the better to get the preorders out of the way and get some buzz going for the holidays with people actually having it in their homes. I don't get why they don't plan for September or October and get that second big bump during the holidays. Would almost ensure selling out the first 4 months rather than 2
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That is my guess too, Somewhere around mid November. No idea if they can release in September and if they can why they wouldn't
 
webber said:
Impressive.
In the same vibes of what I imagined would be my ideal DS5.
But it screams U$100,00.
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100? similar controllers, even shitty 3rd party ones like those Nacon controllers (aka. Input Latency Controllers) are more than that

a controller like this would be 150 at least, and more likely close to $200
 
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darkinstinct said:
All the people assuming Sony wants to simply repeat 2013 have a severe misunderstanding of where Sony was then and where they are now. Back in 2013 Sony was at the end of a costly console gen that didn't make them any money (they didn't lose as much as Microsoft lost, but it wasn't pretty either). The whole reason why it was spread out that long was because in those final years they could finally make some of that money back. Which is why they had no interest in announcing PS4 early and they really spread it out until 9 months before launch. Now we jump to 2020. PS4 is bringing in the money. Has been since launch. And the only thing that can actually hurt their market position is themselves. So they announce PS5 early. In April 2019 they invite people to their HQ to write about their next console. It has no name, but everybody knows what it will be. They follow it up with a blog post to talk about the controller. And then when they reveal the logo that is really the announcement: It's going to be called PS5, From the start they have made sure not to talk about specs, but to talk about seemingly secondary stuff. The SSD. The controller. That's what Sony wants to focus on, because back in April 2019 they know that specs won't look great on paper. Do you want to launch an 8 TF console when three years earlier there was a 6 TF console? Yeah, we know the difference, but the general public does not. They see a number and that number looks very similar to the old number.

It must've been even worse for Microsoft. They really don't have a choice but to go to 12 TF. They sold the One X as being 4x more powerful as Xbox One after four years. And now three years later they want to sell me a console that isn't even double as powerful as that $499 machine from 2017? Are you crazy? All that in a period where Moore's Law isn't a constant anymore. People buy TVs because they are 4K instead of 2K. Even if they only watch TV. It makes no sense. But they do it, because numbers are important. More = better. Same thing with consoles. 8K console gaming? Surely that's better than 4K. 120 fps? I only have 30 right now, that must be great. And so they have a giant problem on their hands. They can't talk about specs because those will either be disappointing or very, very expensive. But at the same time they promise the full HDMI 2.1 feature set, knowing very well that 8K will not be a thing on next gen consoles. Just in theory. Here's Minesweeper in 8K. Here's Tetris in 8K. Yay.

Back then Sony found out that Microsoft was targeting 12 TF (because they really had to). So they upped the clocks, to close the gap. There's not much you can do at that point in time. Microsoft sells 50 million consoles, Sony 150 million. They have different requirements regarding yields. Sony can't afford a 56 CU APU, they just can't. Even Microsoft can only do so because they have a smaller SKU that will sell many more units than XSX. And Sony is caught in the middle, they can't announce the price because they know Microsoft will have the edge there with XSS. They can't announce specs because they know Microsoft will have the edge there with XSX (Phil Spencer: "We will not be out of position on power or price" - yeah, but you won't do both with the same console). So what do you do? You shift the goalposts. To SSD speeds. To the controller. And most of all: To the games. Of course they could do render trailers again, but that would not be smart. If you know a thing or two about game development it's this: Launch titles are starved for development time and games look better the closer they are to launch because of that. Would you want to show your games in a half-baked state right now (Klee talked about the game he saw running between 20 and 30 fps)? Or wait until they are ready to be shown?

Well, February or nine months before launch is not when you are ready to show your launch titles. In fact, Sony's whole approach says "we want to be close to the consumer". They are doing 100s of consumer oriented events for PS5 instead of E3. That tells you a lot. They want you to experience PS5 first hand. They don't think its capabilities can really be demonstrated in a Youtube video or a stream. But you also don't show your customers alpha versions with stuttering graphics. So when will they reveal PS5 officially? Why, after E3 of course. That's when they can react to Microsofts pricing - not regarding XSX, that's a given. But the specs will decide which price Sony can realistically ask for PS5 compared to XSS. If XSS is at 299, 399 is the max Sony can do. Buy a XSS for 299 or get a 50 % more powerful PS5 for 50 % more? Not a good deal, especially with XSX looming above it (150 % more powerful for 70 % more compared to XSS, 30 % more powerful for 20 % more compared to PS5). Consumers are very price sensitive. And shortly after E3 their games will be in the final stages of development. Visually complete, just a bit buggy. So then they can reveal PS5, start preorders - and get people to experience the console first hand shortly after. Doing a reveal now simply makes no sense, Sony is in defense mode this time around (not as a bad thing, they are the market leader and Microsoft will do everything to take that away). In 2013, they were in attack mode.
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You make a lot of good points, but for Sony to sell next-gen to +80m customers again they are surely going to need to use RT so that gamers with small HD Ready TVs can see the improvement to warrant an upgrade, no? I also think you are underselling the gulf in engineer capability between the two companies.

IMHO the Xbox One was a great design if you weren't Sony, but even then Microsoft seemed pretty floored by the PS4 specs reveal. The amount of GDDR5 used surprised most of the industry. I also think Sony intentionally went a year earlier than the Xbox One X - hence the 4.2TF Pro - so there was ample time to for early Pro buyers to be ready for the next-gen without feeling burnt, and to give Sony more time to design a bigger difference between the Pro and PS5.

I suspect Sony's main design constraints with PS4 Pro was to make it easiest for developers to target PS4 and Pro enhanced, and to keep the unit as small and light as possible to keep shipping/storage costs and carbon footprint increase to a minimum. Constraints that meant a compromised Pro design. I doubt it represents what a PS5 in Nov 2016 would have been and the TF metric it would have had.

By contrast, Microsoft completely abandoned the Xbox One esram / ddr3 design for the One X. From a technical perspective the One X looks like a boosted design version of the Ps4 Pro arriving a year late. And the change of design presumably allowed Microsoft to benefit from PS4 software development on the One X releases. The One X is a great piece of iterative hardware that stretched Microsoft's engineering and costing, but even with a clean slate and a year late, it end up 16% heavier, making it less green to ship millions of units on oil using vehicles. It is fair to say it represents what a Series X would have been in Nov 2017.

Whether AMD is truly a leveller now, and Microsoft's deeper pockets mean Sony can't deliver more than Microsoft for their software strategy, I don't know, but Mark Cerny still looks like an engineer that's reading the market well and is ahead of the curve. So I still expect PS5 to handle the move to RT easier, regardless of TF
 
I don't know if you guys are exaggerating or not, I mean it does look nice but $300 nice? It looks the same as the current controller :/
 
Here's a couple of patents around XSXs SSD.

REMOVE-ON-DELETE TECHNOLOGIES FOR SOLID STATE DRIVE OPTIMIZATION - Microsoft Technology Licensing, LLC

<div p-id="p-0001">Technologies for identifying data stored on a solid state drive (“SSD”) device that correspond to data associated with a delete event, and marking the deleted data stored on the SSD
www.freepatentsonline.com www.freepatentsonline.com

US9582415B2 - Composite solid state drive identification and optimization technologies - Google Patents

Technologies for an operating system identifying SSD and CSSD devices based on a corresponding descriptor, and for optimizing operating system functionalities with respect to the SSD/CSSD device. Optimizations include disabling non-SSD/CSSD functionalities, such as HDD defragmentation, and by...
patents.google.com
 
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