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[darkinstinct]

Don't forget, that speeds that they showed in April specifically stated:

The devkit, an early "low-speed" version, is concealed in a big silver tower, with no visible componentry.

Low speed being they key here, we have no clue what the true top speed will be on the PS5's SSD, if it is 3GB/sec+ I will be more than happy, anything higher is just icing on the cake!

https://www.wired.com/story/exclusive-sony-next-gen-console/

That could really mean SSD speeds or APU speeds (back then only Ariel was available, which was definitely low speed compared to Oberon). And I find it unlikely that they not only designed two APUs, but also two mainboards, two I/O solutions and two different SSDs. They would have designed one mainboard with the SSD and just replaced Ariel with Oberon (they seem to be identical in everything but the clock speed).

 

[bitbydeath]

That could really mean SSD speeds or APU speeds (back then only Ariel was available, which was definitely low speed compared to Oberon). And I find it unlikely that they not only designed two APUs, but also two mainboards, two I/O solutions and two different SSDs. They would have designed one mainboard with the SSD and just replaced Ariel with Oberon (they seem to be identical in everything but the clock speed).

Oberon's been around since at least 2018.

 

[Moses85]

Take with bath salts

The worlds famous Game Mania, who haven't heard of this Store before?
Nearly everybody

 

[Gamernyc78]

PS3 fat is the sexiest console ever imo , PS2 is like a boss in Bloodborne and when I say a boss I meant the main character ..

and yes I liked the design of PS3 .. the touch thing is cool

Shit felt and was so high quality not to mention it was super advanced for its time with first ever 7.1 surround sound, true 3D capabilities, bluray, web browser etc it was worth every penny.

Vita was the only thing tht compared. When I bought tht tht premium feel and quality blew me away.

 

[ManaByte]

Devkit UI from the Game Informer Outriders video?

 

[TLZ]

when my favorite team scored the winning goal in the final

Now you're my favorite poster

 

[chilichote]

Devkit UI from the Game Informer Outriders video?

That's a PS4-Devkit in the right corner.

 

[Gavin Stevens]

And what looks like a white S on top of a white Pro, creating the ultimate white iceberg of death.

 

[Captain Hero]

Xbox Series X and PS5 consoles will run 'almost all' old games, Ubisoft says

Ubisoft CEO Yves Guillemot says extensive backwards compatibility "will help the the old generation to continue" for years, while Xbox boss Phil Spencer noted that he's testing the feature on Series X.

www.cnet.com

is this old or new ? ..

 

[Fake]

Xbox Series X and PS5 consoles will run 'almost all' old games, Ubisoft says

Ubisoft CEO Yves Guillemot says extensive backwards compatibility "will help the the old generation to continue" for years, while Xbox boss Phil Spencer noted that he's testing the feature on Series X.

www.cnet.com

is this old or new ? ..

Old.

 

[darkinstinct]

Xbox Series X and PS5 consoles will run 'almost all' old games, Ubisoft says

Ubisoft CEO Yves Guillemot says extensive backwards compatibility "will help the the old generation to continue" for years, while Xbox boss Phil Spencer noted that he's testing the feature on Series X.

www.cnet.com

is this old or new ? ..

Two days old.

 

[Captain Hero]

thanks

 

[Agnostic2020]

thanks

Because of your mistake make us a good gif and we will forgive you

 

[Fun Fanboy]

Wonder if Colbert tweeted the same way, just on PS5 side of things. If he'd be taken more seriously.

 

[Agnostic2020]

Wonder if Colbert tweeted the same way, just on PS5 side of things. If he'd be taken more seriously.

Anyone who writes poems for a plastic box and gets passive aggressive toward people working in the industry because he doesn't like their info needs to be called out and needs to reassess his priorities in life .

 

[Captain Hero]

Because of your mistake make us a good gif and we will forgive you

why not

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

There have been PS5 APU die measurements? Can you link me to them? I thought we had only seen the Xbox APU?

And that's the thing with the Xbox APU, based on the console design (chimney effect and a huge fan on top) they should be able to run the APU at 2 GHz. I don't think they would want to, because they wouldn't want to risk another RROD. But that's also why Sony probably has no interest in running something that fast and hot. They did for the devkit, absolutely. That's why that thing looks like it looks and according to a dev sounds like a jet engine. But that's with overhead for all the dev tools and performance analysis. A 2 GHz APU in a consumer console would almost certainly require a liquid cooled solution. Which adds cost and issues when after some years the hoses become porous. Also requires more energy for the radiator than for a simple fan. It just looks like a bad idea. I would rather go with 40 CU at 1.8 GHz to reach 9.2 TF than 36 with 2 GHz. Yes, that results in lower yields, but you can save that money with a cheaper cooling solution and less likeliness for hardware failures. Plus opens up TDP for the raytracing cores, which aren't cheap either. Based on Nvidia hardware they add around 20 Watt to the TDP. Which takes away from what you have for the rest of the GPU.

They aren't official die measurements, just speculative ones based on information around the time they were made & assumption of additional units on Oberon that might've been disabled.

That's the graphic I was referencing. You can see basing the measurements off of the following:

These were done by Liable Brave over on Era; just put aside the fuckery of Era as a toxic dump of political nonsense for a moment and take these posts for what they are: very reasonable measurement estimates and predictions. And when you take other things like the ITMedia article into consideration, 48CUs would give you the Radeon VII equivalent they quote (13.8TF) within the known Navi sweetspot of 1.7GHz - 1.8GHz (10.4TF - 11TF)

However, while I personally don't see the 36/40CU Oberon in the leak as the full picture of what Oberon actually is in its retail form, I do suppose it's possible on the low-end. And with the system using a very TDP-friendly CPU that does leave room to clock the GPU above the sweetspot range (assuming the sweetspot range would scale with the efficiency improvements Disco_ brought up i.e 30-35% efficiency in architecture and 10% additional breathing room on the MHz sweetspot clock (upper limit of 1.8GHz would then be 1.98GHz).

So in that scenario yeah, all 40 active at 1.8GHz would probably be better for the chip than 36 active at 2GHz. But like I said earlier, I think it's more probable Oberon is a 48CU chip, not a 36CU one (talking active units), but I'll only stand by that if there is a GPU benchmark that comes around to confirm it, or by some chance actual specs are mentioned for PS5 @ GDC that fall within the 10.4 - 11 TF range (or even 11.4 - 12.15 TF if, again, the supposed improved efficiency of RDNA2 that was suggested to be possible earlier puts the improvements closer to 30-35% instead of 20-25%, assuming 48CUs still).

Conversely though, if those improvements in efficiency being around 30-35% hold true (just for the efficiency of architecture, not a bump in the sweetspot range) ,then that would apply to XSX as well, so it could see TF performance of around 14.19TF (assuming it's a 56CU chip). But that honestly sound kind of ridiculous to me (but I assume it would bode very well for Big Navi going up against Nvidia's upcoming GPU line of cards).

Honestly tho my bets are still pretty firmly hedged on 10.4-11TF PS5 and ~ 12.1TF XSX being the most likely performance ranges (taking all things into account from the GPU benchmarks, insider claims, Github leak, and articles such as the one from ITMedia plus vague claims from people like Phil Spencer himself), minus RT. In other words, 48CU chip PS5, 56CU chip XSX, PS5 GPU clocking @ between 1.7GHz-1.8GHz, XSX GPU clocking in @ closer to 1.7GHz, both using at least some RDNA2 features (PS5 might be closer to RDNA1 & 2 hybrid design, XSX closer to fuller RNDA2 if not complete RDNA2), and about an 8% performance differential. And both easily at the very least matching up to Radeon VII's performance of 13.8TF (arguably moreso when considering the improvements in microcode for Navi and the benefits of RT).

 

[Bladed Thesis]

It has partnership with UEFA Champions League for the whole competitions since years back. I think since PS1, not only that competition, you see Sony and Playstation all over the place. See this picture it's in 1997 in the Champions League. The team is Juventus, the biggest Italian team and one of the biggest in Europe.

And greatest Italian club, don't forget.

 

[Fun Fanboy]

Anyone who writes poems for a plastic box and gets passive aggressive toward people working in the industry because he doesn't like their info needs to be called out and needs to reassess his priorities in life .

That's why it would be interesting to know! I wonder if people would, or if they'd just laugh with him. Meh. Where the hell are all the leaks!

 

[DeepEnigma]

Bro too much smoke not to have fire. All those 12 numbers I'm sure it's around tht amount. Seriously believe it's edging out nextbox but we shall see.

Cerny lives in New York? I should go visit his ass but he looks like he might shoot me with a tranquilizer dart and try to do things

Who doesn't want bathtime with Cerny?

 

[darkinstinct]

They aren't official die measurements, just speculative ones based on information around the time they were made & assumption of additional units on Oberon that might've been disabled.

That's the graphic I was referencing. You can see basing the measurements off of the following:

These were done by Liable Brave over on Era; just put aside the fuckery of Era as a toxic dump of political nonsense for a moment and take these posts for what they are: very reasonable measurement estimates and predictions. And when you take other things like the ITMedia article into consideration, 48CUs would give you the Radeon VII equivalent they quote (13.8TF) within the known Navi sweetspot of 1.7GHz - 1.8GHz (10.4TF - 11TF)

However, while I personally don't see the 36/40CU Oberon in the leak as the full picture of what Oberon actually is in its retail form, I do suppose it's possible on the low-end. And with the system using a very TDP-friendly CPU that does leave room to clock the GPU above the sweetspot range (assuming the sweetspot range would scale with the efficiency improvements Disco_ brought up i.e 30-35% efficiency in architecture and 10% additional breathing room on the MHz sweetspot clock (upper limit of 1.8GHz would then be 1.98GHz).

So in that scenario yeah, all 40 active at 1.8GHz would probably be better for the chip than 36 active at 2GHz. But like I said earlier, I think it's more probable Oberon is a 48CU chip, not a 36CU one (talking active units), but I'll only stand by that if there is a GPU benchmark that comes around to confirm it, or by some chance actual specs are mentioned for PS5 @ GDC that fall within the 10.4 - 11 TF range (or even 11.4 - 12.15 TF if, again, the supposed improved efficiency of RDNA2 that was suggested to be possible earlier puts the improvements closer to 30-35% instead of 20-25%, assuming 48CUs still).

Conversely though, if those improvements in efficiency being around 30-35% hold true (just for the efficiency of architecture, not a bump in the sweetspot range) ,then that would apply to XSX as well, so it could see TF performance of around 14.19TF (assuming it's a 56CU chip). But that honestly sound kind of ridiculous to me (but I assume it would bode very well for Big Navi going up against Nvidia's upcoming GPU line of cards).

Honestly tho my bets are still pretty firmly hedged on 10.4-11TF PS5 and ~ 12.1TF XSX being the most likely performance ranges (taking all things into account from the GPU benchmarks, insider claims, Github leak, and articles such as the one from ITMedia plus vague claims from people like Phil Spencer himself), minus RT. In other words, 48CU chip PS5, 56CU chip XSX, PS5 GPU clocking @ between 1.7GHz-1.8GHz, XSX GPU clocking in @ closer to 1.7GHz, both using at least some RDNA2 features (PS5 might be closer to RDNA1 & 2 hybrid design, XSX closer to fuller RNDA2 if not complete RDNA2), and about an 8% performance differential. And both easily at the very least matching up to Radeon VII's performance of 13.8TF (arguably moreso when considering the improvements in microcode for Navi and the benefits of RT).

With those die sizes you are confusing the chicken and the egg. Those die sizes are based on the related rumors, not the other way around. You can't take those sizes and say that if they change this and that you can do so many CU at that size. I mean you could, but that's just creating a rumor based on a rumor based on a rumor, you know what I mean?There's already huge unknowns for the assumptions he works with when creating the dies. And doesn't even take into account the 3D audio thingy that also sits on the APU. Or that RDNA2 probably doesn't have the same size per CU as RDNA. Just a whole lot of unknowns.

 

[semicool]

Already posted?

/v/ - PS5 AND XSX - Video Games - 4chan

PS5 AND XSX - "/v/ - Video Games" is 4chan's imageboard dedicated to the discussion of PC and console video games.

boards.4channel.org

As always, until officially proven, take with a grain of salt.

18GB Ram lol

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Now you're my favorite poster

Howdy, mate! At this point, you only need to own a Nissan Patrol to be my brother from another mother

Speaking of those amusements buildings/shops, they're quite famous and within 5-10 you can find up to 5-7 of those or more. It's not a hotel, just a room with a glass door and you go down if you wanna play billiards, snooker, table tennis and a cafe that you can call from the room to serve you. Quite good especially if the weather isn't perfect outside (rainy/windy/humid). Having 4K 55-75" TV's as standard now for the rooms and mostly Chinese brands, which actually look pretty decent, some have fancy ones from Samsung, Sony etc. The Chinese ones are around $800 USD.

Some shops don't give monthly rents as a room would generate at least 1-5 Omani Rials (~$5-13 USD) per hour depending on how good/big the room is. Those shops consume more consoles because of the nature of usage compared to private consoles, hence more money for the console maker.

Something like this one:

Good rooms like this one:

Or simple ones like this:

So it turns into like your group (gang) HQ. Watching sports, news, web and youtube, Netflix, games while your at it. It's fun to play 2 VS 2 matches though. So adding to the discussion, a 500GB would be more than enough for most casual gamers. I already have 2TB on my PS4 and think it's average, owning more than 120 games, +98% digital, so must delete some from time to time.

 

[Gamernyc78]

Who doesn't want bathtime with Cerny?

We got to put Dim, Curry and Odium in there,

 

[Captain Hero]

Because of your mistake make us a good gif and we will forgive you

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

With those die sizes you are confusing the chicken and the egg. Those die sizes are based on the related rumors, not the other way around. You can't take those sizes and say that if they change this and that you can do so many CU at that size. I mean you could, but that's just creating a rumor based on a rumor based on a rumor, you know what I mean?There's already huge unknowns for the assumptions he works with when creating the dies. And doesn't even take into account the 3D audio thingy that also sits on the APU. Or that RDNA2 probably doesn't have the same size per CU as RDNA. Just a whole lot of unknowns.

Oh don't worry, I'm not outright claiming these are correct. I'm just drawing correlations and trying to piece together my own picture where the specifications could lie based on trying to see where the truth could lie between all different sources. So when I see things like the ITMedia article for example, I think to myself "How could this be relative to the benchmarks we already have out there?" "How is this related to what insiders have claimed?", so on and so forth. And the same goes with speculative illustrations such as the ones I linked here.

I'm trying to find a middle ground that satisfies most of the main claims from all the different sources, it's what I deem a valid method. And I then try factoring out what's most probable (not possible. Probable. There's a difference ) outcome or range of outcomes, and narrow that range as best as possible, and go with what would be among the most probable and least probable out of that.

Basically I'm iterating new leaks, benchmarks, rumors etc. on top of older ones that still hold pertinence, as long as the newer stuff can pass a base threshold of reasonability. Yeah, I have a weigh to the different sources (for example on average I place the benchmark datamines above the insiders, because the benchmarks provide tested data that has consistency on a timescale and other factors while the insiders mainly have hearsay you have to weigh based on reputations that can range from decent to flat-out bad), but at the very least I'm giving some consideration to all of the sources (benchmarks, Github, insiders, tech heads).

So even though the die drawings I linked are based on related rumors, I still think they have some validity. Not absolute validity, but some. At the very least they display an understanding of how technology works, particularly aspects of Navi, which is a lot more than I can say for some of the crazier 4chan and Reddit spec rumors that have popped up from time to time.

 

[JLB]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Get ready to redefine the game. <a href="https://t.co/HabcLytg9g">pic.twitter.com/HabcLytg9g</a></p>&mdash; Xbox ( Xbox ) <a href="">February 11, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[SlimySnake]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Get ready to redefine the game. <a href="https://t.co/HabcLytg9g">pic.twitter.com/HabcLytg9g</a></p>&mdash; Xbox ( Xbox ) <a href="">February 11, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

what is this?

 

[Gavin Stevens]

No idea, nba tie in of some sort. But i never noticed how nice the Xbox and red look, I always see it in green lol

 

[JLB]

what is this?

no idea, maybe nba2k21 xbox series x reveal this friday?

 

[JLB]

No idea, nba tie in of some sort. But i never noticed how nice the Xbox and red look, I always see it in green lol

lol my main theme was red many years. im back at green though

 

[Andodalf]

no idea, maybe nba2k21 xbox series x reveal this friday?

Its the jordan logo, not NBA or 2k logos, so maybe just some cross promotion. a Jordan branded One X, or maybe a Jumpman Controller.

 

[JLB]

Its the jordan logo, not NBA or 2k logos, so maybe just some cross promotion. a Jordan branded One X, or maybe a Jumpman Controller.

wasnt jordan in nba2k21? i recall playing with it a couple of years ago

 

[ThaMonkeyClaw]

That could really mean SSD speeds or APU speeds (back then only Ariel was available, which was definitely low speed compared to Oberon). And I find it unlikely that they not only designed two APUs, but also two mainboards, two I/O solutions and two different SSDs. They would have designed one mainboard with the SSD and just replaced Ariel with Oberon (they seem to be identical in everything but the clock speed).

True, or it could mean both, if the PS5 is Gen4 PCIe x4 for the SSD the components might not have been available at that time of review, thus the 'low speed' version...Mark Cerny stated it will have more raw bandwidth than anything currently on the PC market, which at that time was 3.5-4GB/sec.

 

[B_Boss]

No. Thanks for bringing this up. Its been a while since the last leak.

No problemo .

 

[Bo_Hazem]

True, or it could mean both, if the PS5 is Gen4 PCIe x4 for the SSD the components might not have been available at that time of review, thus the 'low speed' version...Mark Cerny stated it will have more raw bandwidth than anything currently on the PC market, which at that time was 3.5-4GB/sec.

I have a 1TB Samsung 970 Pro (3.5GB/s read, 2.7GB/s write) along with a 2TB 2.5" SSD (512MB/s read/write?). The thing is snappy, and I would welcome a 5-7GB/s one. We must understand that those are MAX speeds, they can easily get buffer on overload situations. So having more power means less buffer lags.

 

[B_Boss]

Bro too much smoke not to have fire. All those 12 numbers I'm sure it's around tht amount. Seriously believe it's edging out nextbox but we shall see.

Cerny lives in New York? I should go visit his ass but he looks like he might shoot me with a tranquilizer dart and try to do things

I thought he lived in Cali .

 

[TLZ]

Howdy, mate! At this point, you only need to own a Nissan Patrol to be my brother from another mother

Speaking of those amusements buildings/shops, they're quite famous and within 5-10 you can find up to 5-7 of those or more. It's not a hotel, just a room with a glass door and you go down if you wanna play billiards, snooker, table tennis and a cafe that you can call from the room to serve you. Quite good especially if the weather isn't perfect outside (rainy/windy/humid). Having 4K 55-75" TV's as standard now for the rooms and mostly Chinese brands, which actually look pretty decent, some have fancy ones from Samsung, Sony etc. The Chinese ones are around $800 USD.

Some shops don't give monthly rents as a room would generate at least 1-5 Omani Rials (~$5-13 USD) per hour depending on how good/big the room is. Those shops consume more consoles because of the nature of usage compared to private consoles, hence more money for the console maker.

Something like this one:

Good rooms like this one:

Or simple ones like this:

So it turns into like your group (gang) HQ. Watching sports, news, web and youtube, Netflix, games while your at it. It's fun to play 2 VS 2 matches though. So adding to the discussion, a 500GB would be more than enough for most casual gamers. I already have 2TB on my PS4 and think it's average, owning more than 120 games, +98% digital, so must delete some from time to time.

You're welcome to buy me a Patrol. I'll happily take it

Those images look nice. The last simple Arab style is my favorite. I remember going to something similar in Abu Dhabi to play PES with friends, but that was many many years ago. Most probably those cafes won't upgrade to nextgen until Sep-Oct 2021 when next gen PES releases.

 

[Gamernyc78]

I thought he lived in Cali .

OH idk someone mentioned Manhattan before. I never looked it up, maybe he does (makes more sense).

 

[Bo_Hazem]

You're welcome to buy me a Patrol. I'll happily take it

Those images look nice. The last simple Arab style is my favorite. I remember going to something similar in Abu Dhabi to play PES with friends, but that was many many years ago. Most probably those cafes won't upgrade to nextgen until Sep-Oct 2021 when next gen PES releases.

Haha! You Aussie guys are insane offroaders, most of the Aussies I knew were through Patrol forums or facebook pages.

And yes, those shops would be a concern to me but I'll preorder the PS5 to secure it. Last time the PS4 came in my region on 2-Dec-2013 and I picked the first one at 9:30am out of 10! More came later but the PS4 suffered from shortage and extreme demands. I bought mine for an official 181 OMR ($470 USD), while some other shops were still selling US copies for like 450 OMR (~1170 USD) and you should like preoder from them! But those numbers disappeared within weeks.

Of course, I will preorder it with the official price from official suppliers.

 

[30yearsofhurt]

Fucking bitumen cowboys.

 

[Jtibh]

Shit felt and was so high quality not to mention it was super advanced for its time with first ever 7.1 surround sound, true 3D capabilities, bluray, web browser etc it was worth every penny.

Vita was the only thing tht compared. When I bought tht tht premium feel and quality blew me away.

So high quality it broke while playing ac3.
Screen started to stutter and making funny sounds and i swear i heard the motherboard crack in half.
The fact i couldnt save anything from the harddrive no save files nothing was a big fuck you.
Had no ps plus cuz didnt need it so no cloud saves.
15 games in the shitter like no thank you i wont replay them.
Ever since a ps plus member cuz of cloud saves.

And no it wasnt a great design. Scratches and fingerprints galore and it was soo plasticy it was cracking and bending every time i moved it .

But it was a good heater in the cold months.

And all the ps2 and ps1's were beyond garbage . All of them broke . Went through 5 psones and 3 ps2's. Fuckin disc reader was replaced soo many times. Cheap cheap product.

So with ps4 it might not be as slick as the previous ones but from day one it never gave me any problems.

 

[OrionNebula]

So, I'm watching a video on yt by Mystic, and he's basically going through the leaks prior to the ps4 just to see how much was bullshit and who brought up the goods.

I'm happy to announce that someone predicted the reveal date of the ps4 almost 18 months prior! Came very short to be on the dot

So, my questions for the current ''insiders'' who can't predict 18 days in advance... what gives??

 

[Gamernyc78]

So high quality it broke while playing ac3.
Screen started to stutter and making funny sounds and i swear i heard the motherboard crack in half.
The fact i couldnt save anything from the harddrive no save files nothing was a big fuck you.
Had no ps plus cuz didnt need it so no cloud saves.
15 games in the shitter like no thank you i wont replay them.
Ever since a ps plus member cuz of cloud saves.

And no it wasnt a great design. Scratches and fingerprints galore and it was soo plasticy it was cracking and bending every time i moved it .

But it was a good heater in the cold months.

And all the ps2 and ps1's were beyond garbage . All of them broke . Went through 5 psones and 3 ps2's. Fuckin disc reader was replaced soo many times. Cheap cheap product.

So with ps4 it might not be as slick as the previous ones but from day one it never gave me any problems.

I hear tht hot shit you talking but there's stats out there on failure rates lol and ps3 nor Vita had high ones. Secondly I don't know what kind of knock off you got but my Vita and ps3 last years with constant play daily (I game for hours a day). Only reason my Vita broke was bcus I stepped on it on a drunken night, my ps3 trooped like 6 years of constant play

Speak for yourself but tht wasnt my experience at all

BTW ps4 same shit my og just died like two months ago

 

[Bo_Hazem]

I hear tht hot shit you talking but there's stats out there on failure rates lol and ps3 nor Vita had high ones. Secondly I don't know what kind of knock off you got but my Vita and ps3 last years with constant play daily (I game for hours a day). Only reason my Vita broke was bcus I stepped on it on a drunken night, my ps3 trooped like 6 years of constant play

Speak for yourself but tht wasnt my experience at all

BTW ps4 same shit my og just died like two months ago

My old PS3 is still running since 2007 for the kids with littlebigplanet game but the disk reader was replaced in 2013. I think turning heaters and keeping the console in a compact space is not a good thing, maybe that's the case. Both my PS3, PS4/PS4 Pro are silent, you can only notice some fan sound when the room temperature is at 28C+ or kept in tight space.

 

[Gavin Stevens]

Failure wise my ps3 fat got so loud I had to move it into another room when playing TLOU. It was utterly dreadful. My PS4 is going the same way now too. My PS2 when I got it home from the store was a dud too and didn't load gta 3 right, just spawned me into a void. My PSP and vita were fine however

Oddly, my 360 was a launch unit and lasted me the entire time. All three Xbox ones, my original, my s and my x,all are perfect.

But then I know this was the exception not the rule

 

[Captain Hero]

So high quality it broke while playing ac3.
Screen started to stutter and making funny sounds and i swear i heard the motherboard crack in half.
The fact i couldnt save anything from the harddrive no save files nothing was a big fuck you.
Had no ps plus cuz didnt need it so no cloud saves.
15 games in the shitter like no thank you i wont replay them.
Ever since a ps plus member cuz of cloud saves.

And no it wasnt a great design. Scratches and fingerprints galore and it was soo plasticy it was cracking and bending every time i moved it .

But it was a good heater in the cold months.

And all the ps2 and ps1's were beyond garbage . All of them broke . Went through 5 psones and 3 ps2's. Fuckin disc reader was replaced soo many times. Cheap cheap product.

So with ps4 it might not be as slick as the previous ones but from day one it never gave me any problems.

Wow man ! you really faced the wrath of the machines .. non of this happened to me

 

[DrDamn]

To be fair, it was a launch controller, and the rubber has only just started to peel, which is... fine. Battery was horse shit anyway. Will buy a new battery off eBay and see if that helps, otherwise it's An eBay spares jobbie.

You don't have any DS3 controllers around still you can harvest spares from do you? Apparently battery can be taken from one and put in the other with the bonus that DS3 batteries last longer as they have more capacity.

 

[spartan30gr]

Take with bath salts

 

[Gavin Stevens]

You don't have any DS3 controllers around still you can harvest spares from do you? Apparently battery can be taken from one and put in the other with the bonus that DS3 batteries last longer as they have more capacity.

Hmmmmmmm... I do actually? Same battery as the launch PS4? I know they changed connectors at some point. I mean I know they are only £7 but still.