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[Roronoa Zoro]

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Almost all? What about PS3? That's the most difficult one, but is the one that would make the most difference (since PS4 is confirmed).

I think the thousands of PS1 AND PS2 games and those systems being more popular than PS3 would make them the bigger deal. Though PS4 is most important due to the transition and the fact that people still play games for it en masse

 

[WhispersintheWind]

I don't usually like furys style, but he changed for this fight and gave wilder a good pasting.

Fury Bullied Wilder. Wilder I believe only throw 3 good punches that connected until he was dropped in the 3rd. After that all love taps.

Wilder got embarrassed. I hope Wilder was hurt before the fight. If not I don't believe I would drop 79.99 US Dollars to watch the rematch.

 

[Roronoa Zoro]

But Sony struggled to make it 450-ish no?Most likely 500 or more ...

IF it actually is that much. No idea if that article is correct

 

[spartan30gr]

hmmmmm.

 

[Gavin Stevens]

This is the most fanboyish cringe trash i've read in this thread all day. Jesus christ. Some of you need a psychological evaluation.

Bless.

 

[sonomamashine]

Then why people trash the guy?? He seems very nice to everyone I mean no need for people to be hostile

War, war never changes.

Just a typical day on the internet.

 

[JLMC469]

Wait... 12 tflops, RDNA 2.0, ZEN 2 & SSD, and people find things to complain about?

How?

 

[vivftp]

Speaking about the bombs, what if you could play almost all the Previous PS libraries in an enhanced situation?! You definitely don't want Bluepoint to do a DS remaster when you simply can play it in 4K/60fps via BC.

Howdy Tommy, in this hypothetical would it be like the remastering engine that HipHopGamer teased a few weeks ago? And do you think it would include handheld games?

Thanks

 

[CrustyBritches]

The Fury entrance and singing was worth it on it's own. After the he exploded Wilder's eardrum it was all over. Guy looked like he was on a different planet. Body shot was also devastating. I think Fury has him figured out. Wilder relies on his big shot and if that's taken away with Fury's long jab and violent clinch, there's nothing Wilder can do. I will say I liked his "Digital Sauron" costume. The conscious rap I could do without. Should have gone with an epic instrumental beat and a group of creeper poppers in masks like the Poreotics.

 

[M-V2]

 

[DForce]

Wait... 12 tflops, RDNA 2.0, ZEN 2 & SSD, and people find things to complain about?

How?

No one is complaining.

People are calling insiders frauds because they said 11.8TF instead of 12TF. The problem is that people are not calling Xbox insiders frauds for claiming the console is going to be RDNA 1 instead of 2.

 

[Gamernyc78]

Howdy Tommy, in this hypothetical would it be like the remastering engine that HipHopGamer teased a few weeks ago? And do you think it would include handheld games?

Thanks

Tommy and someone else I forgot who actually mentioned and talked about the extensive bc before hip hop gamer but yes it's the same thing.

 

[DJ12]

Tommy and someone else I forgot who actually mentioned and talked about the extensive bc before hip hop gamer but yes it's the same thing.

It was also on a paste bin I believe.

 

[Gamernyc78]

Hmm it definitely reads to me as if the PS5 engineer was taken aback and it will only be RDNA 1 in the PS5 despite what he said later on to try and "cover his tracks".

In any case Microsoft has created a very viable alternative to the PS5 so congratulations to them. The PS5 radio silence is annoying now even to me a massive PS4 fan (added with the lack of shows this last year and off hand comments regarding gamepass, refunds and cross play), they really need to come out swinging and soon. I left the 360 for the PS4 because of MS's attitude the second half of its life cycle, I've done it once and I'll do it again if I feel one company is better than another.

Naughty Dog are my favorite developers but with their newest game coming out on the PS4 it will likely be years before they release a game on the PS5. So yeah definitely going to be a carefully weighted decision over which console to get first... and that makes it very exciting .

Of course you'll read it as him being taken aback and ignore his follow up comment shitting all over the fanboys tht was hoping it was true

 

[devilNprada]

Congrats to Xbox fans for getting everything expected, and then some.
It's going to be a fantastic console.

You may now exit the speculation thread.

 

[Nivek OnlyOn]

Damn, is that cancer?

Guess its cured now

 

[Hostile_18]

Of course you'll read it as him being taken aback and ignore his follow up comment shitting all over the fanboys tht was hoping it was true

Why of course? I'm not a kid invested in one company beyond all reason. Just as easy to read second comment as trying to protect his job/NDA. Ultimately it's just an educated guess.

 

[JLMC469]

I still firmly believe the PS5 will also be 12 tflops. SONY and Microsoft (bu the looks of it are investing heavily in next gen), and I applaud them.

 

[VFXVeteran]

12TF of RDNA 2 + 8C/16T of Zen 2 + SSD is insanity.
We're talking about movie CGI level of graphics and simulations with insane speeds.
I'm officially excited (almost sexually) for next gen.
Boner inducing specs.

Here we go again with extreme hyperbole describing a game console. Why do we go through this "the second coming" every time a new generation of console comes out?

These consoles are several generations from being CGI movie type graphics.

 

[splattered]

Congrats to Xbox fans for getting everything expected, and then some.
It's going to be a fantastic console.

You may now exit the speculation thread.

Nuh uh we still have much to learn like Ram l, SSD speed/size, full new BC features, etc

 

[Gamernyc78]

Why of course? I'm not a kid invested in one company beyond all reason. Just as easy to read second comment as trying to protect his job/NDA. Ultimately it's just an educated guess.

 

[CyberPanda]

Here we go again with extreme hyperbole describing a game console. Why do we go through this "the second coming" every time a new generation of console comes out?

These consoles are several generations from being CGI movie type graphics.

Of course they won't be good as top end PCs, but still

 

[it_wasn't_me]

Ok I'm just going to come out and say it.. I actually thought the mental gymnastics would take a little bit longer, but people in here are already straight up looking at the script for Saw and calling it a romance novel.

Good lord people. It's there in black and white (and green). All it means is your powerful PS5 will have a competitor that is powerful. It's ok. You will still get all the stuff you love, the world will still keep turning.

This is the best possible outcome for ALL of us and some of you are in here like you've just been told the world is ending next week but it's already run out of booze.

Party on, bitches x

Erm, I have never made it anything but crystal clear that I favour Xbox over PlayStation. But I Still post without bias and talk facts.

In sorry if my post offended you, but then, that says more about you, does it not? Who was you expecting to be upset right about now? Xbox or playstation fans?

So yes. YOUR PlayStation, because YOU, like several others in here, are currently in meltdown mode. I'm sorry you feel this way. Who exactly do you think would be upset right now? Xbox fans? Fans of both? No. So yes; you playstation fans.

My pre-orders haven't changed, my currently owned systems haven't changed. If anything, this just cements that even more.

Im so sorry today has been hard for you

Instantly insulting with the fanboy stuff, well done. No need for it. Why? Confirmation of 12tf to put myself as what? The only thing I've said is that it's good to be proven right, as in, everything I've said has been legit? That makes me a fan boy?

Hey guess what. I've also said a lot about PS5 based on a few facts and background details too. If that comes right as well, does that make me a PlayStation fanboy?

I'm having a hard time understanding your logic here mate. I've done nothing but talk about the spec of both, talk about the facts, and give what I know. I've tried my best to leave fanboy rubbish out of it. I've never once said that I don't side with MS over PlayStation, but that doesn't mean I'm not a Sony fan. This appear to be a hard thing for some of you to grasp; it's ok to like both, but both, but like one more.

And as for you not seeing any Sony fans melting down, well... I'm not even sure I can reply to that. YoU should work for Trump

not Sony - Sony fans on here. There is so much back peddling going on with what people said and are now saying it's like a match of quake 3 arena. People are dropping right into angry insult mode, and for what? because Xbox bought their a game, and they are still waiting on Sony?

It's... it's really quite sad? both machines will be amazing, but yes, the sx will be ahead. By a small number. But people won't have that, because... I dunno? Reasons..?

like I'm going to search through hundreds of posts in a thread just so somebody on an Internet forum will twist my words anyway? Give me a break.

I've spent more time than most explaining the SSD tech, the cpu and going differences and possible outcomes, as well as talk about actual hardware. I've flipped several times between one being better than the other, until with recent info that was both a) leaked and b) told you me, the cards fell where they are now.

You want the posts? Go search for them yourself. But be warned, there's a LOT of them.

I'm gonna be straight forward here. Sony fans are pissed because they feel they have been kept in the dark too long, and are not really understanding that this is business. It's not about making you happy, it's about making you happy in a way that generates the most revenue and biggest buzz. So sony fans are pissed because Ms beat them to the punch.

as for specs... this is an area won't go massively into, but these specs are essentially what I said before, as had been told to me personally by friends in the industry. The same friends also talked ball park PS5 spec, and those are currently out there in different form. It's more likely it will be high end 10, low end 11 in tf, with an SSD in the 5-6gb/sec range, rdna2, 16gb memory.

the problem is that both sides have had many multiple dev kits out, and Ms are far behind. Even today they STILL are with regard to getting dev kits out. The Specs talked about today are the same specs I've been discussing in closed circles and have spoken about also here.

The ps5 specs I've posted above are the same, as well, that's with the latest dev kit which I'm told is now in final stage with no real big changes coming as it's already over target spec. Want more? The thermals are also a bit out of whack, and thats one of the things being looked at.

No insider BS, no tags, no photos, paste bins etc. Just me and a bunch of developer friends chatting shit and gaming, as usual.

The ps5 spec with where they are and where they will be will put them close enough in terms of over all power that it won't make any difference that the sx is high. That's a bragging right.

but this is all stuff I've been saying for a while now, hence why I hit so hard on the SSD talk and certain... posters... shot me down.

That's no fanboy bias, that's just talking tech. It appears some people can't handle that here because it's not what they want to hear, and for that, I'm just sorry

I'm really sorry that the "your PlayStation 5"part of my original post hurt you so much, you're in my thoughts at this dark time.

 

[VFXVeteran]

I was saying that it has the biggest impact on visuals, not performance, but it's still interesting to hear. I've had a chance to mess around with RTX GI in Metro Exodus, but I don't have any games that have RTX AO to my knowledge. Do you know of any games I can test that in?

I need to get Control at some point, since it seems they have the most RTX features in a single package at this time. They do it with a relatively low performance impact, too. In other games I've tried you can see a 30-40% performance hit for just a single feature.

Metro has RT ambient occlusion. It's coupled with the GI. And RTX reflections don't make the biggest impact. AO and GI does. After that, RTX shadows, then the reflections. You can get away with a lot just using SSR instead of RTX reflections. I'd much rather dedicate the GPU time on the AO and GI.

 

[Sosokrates]

Speaking about the bombs, what if you could play almost all the Previous PS libraries in an enhanced situation?! You definitely don't want Bluepoint to do a DS remaster when you simply can play it in 4K/60fps via BC.

So your saying all ps3 + PS2 will be 4k 60fps?
Because if its like ms have done, they are just playing catch up.

 

[K20Z3toofast4u]

You gotta love it when fanboys get called out

The MF blueviolet will probably block Matt like he always does when it hinders his vendetta.

 

[it_wasn't_me]

So your saying all ps3 + PS2 will be 4k 60fps?
Because if its like ms have done, they are just playing catch up.

Does MS software solution is 100% working on all games? If PS5 will have DVD reader inside and hardware based BC, then PS2 can be almost 100% compatible, PS4 included. I'm pretty sure PS5 won't have CD reader, so PS1 and some PS2 games are out of question and can be only emulated via software

 

[Mrdeveus]

PS5 is still slightly ahead, SLIGHTLY.

So that goes with the rumor that they are both near identical all be it some secret sauce type innovations in each system.

 

[Sosokrates]

Here we go again with extreme hyperbole describing a game console. Why do we go through this "the second coming" every time a new generation of console comes out?

These consoles are several generations from being CGI movie type graphics.

Well it's good news for PC gamers too, because a new gen of consoles refreshes the base line, star citizen is the only game since crysis which has used PC hardware more effectively.
Plus having high hardware in $499 consoles is fantastic news compared to what we got last gen.

 

[Gamernyc78]

Does MS software solution is 100% working on all games?

Far from it and let's not forget who was doing bc first Cerny about to show them how to really do it

 

[webber]

Here we go again with extreme hyperbole describing a game console. Why do we go through this "the second coming" every time a new generation of console comes out?

These consoles are several generations from being CGI movie type graphics.

Ok, BOOMER.

 

[Sosokrates]

Does MS software solution is 100% working on all games? If PS5 will have DVD reader inside and hardware based BC, then PS2 can be almost 100% compatible, PS4 included.

No I never said it did....

 

[Mrdeveus]

Hopefully the Fallout and Elder Scrolls engine changes for the better though!

Bethesda really need to overhaul or create a new engine. Would the ID engine work well with the types of games Bethesda make already tho?

 

[DaMonsta]

No you see, Tom Warren was the first to.report on it existing. First to report on cancellation and first to report on it being back on menu.

The so called insiders are the ones riding the wave. You said it yourself, plans change, but no one seemed to know about it but him and Brad. Which leads me to believe it was never cancelled, just that they have been fed bs info from.time to time.

No. Tom Warren was just reporting what everyone else said. He didn't know shit either

It's become extremely obvious 99.9% of "insiders" have no fucking clue what they are talking about at this point.

 

[Chromata]

Here we go again with extreme hyperbole describing a game console. Why do we go through this "the second coming" every time a new generation of console comes out?

These consoles are several generations from being CGI movie type graphics.

I don't quite understand your apprehension regarding next gen consoles. Typically, consoles will provide mid to high range PC performance at launch (and current gen CPUs were definitely on the lower end).

Next gen consoles have extremely high end GPUs with RDNA 2 (not even available on PC yet), SSDs faster than those on the market, and a whole slew of exciting new features (like VRS or unique RT implementations from the sounds of it), all the while with an actually respectable CPU and RAM.

This isn't a typical console upgrade, it's a very well balanced jump in every way. I agree that it isn't going to give us CGI graphics, but I think you're really underplaying the potential these machines have.

 

[splattered]

So you're saying Sony is gonna put previous generation hardware in the PS5 to offer native BC...?

 

[XinTniX]

So your saying all ps3 + PS2 will be 4k 60fps?
Because if its like ms have done, they are just playing catch up.

There is a Huge difference in terms of game library relevance in this case, it's sad but true.

 

[Captain Hero]

its not just Sony's fans but the whole community want Sony to say something about PS5 .. its like starting a Hellcat but no sound at all ! .. I mean Xbox series X news are incredible BUT still something wrong without PlayStation

 

[it_wasn't_me]

So you're saying Sony is gonna put previous generation hardware in the PS5 to offer native BC...?

I'm strongly believe it will be for PS4.

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

IF it actually is that much. No idea if that article is correct

I would reckon a website like Bloomberg has enough integrity to verify those kind of things with their own sources. And being the kind of news outlet they are, have networking connections into this stuff forum posters like us could only dream of.

It's maybe difficult to say how relevant to the current situation it's correct, but it's probably safe to take most of what's mentioned there at face value. They're a business & tech places, not MSNBC or Fox News. No need to worry (that much) about "fake news" xD.

 

[MARTYWOLF]

We could be looking at both 12 tf gpu's in consoles but another interesting take is rdna 1 vs 2 what if and i hope isnt the case what if ps5 is on original rdna. 12tf vs 12tf rdna2 wont be apples to apples due to perf to watt increase

surely 7nm (rdna) to 7nm+ (rdna2) cant be that difference in perf?

Is rdna2 actually confirmed to be on 7nm+?

 

[Hawking Radiation]

Congrats to Xbox fans for getting everything expected, and then some.
It's going to be a fantastic console.

You may now exit the speculation thread.

Nah its nice to have everyone chatty and discussing these consoles and there's much more to learn from them.
Just leave the console warrior rubbish out of here and all should be sweet.

No. Tom Warren was just reporting what everyone else said. He didn't know shit either

It's become extremely obvious 99.9% of "insiders" have no fucking clue what they are talking about at this point.

Yeah that won't stop half the thread sucking Tommy's nipples for the last bit of 'info' he has. Been said many times, he's full of shit like all other 'insiders' on here.
I'm not even sure Osiris knows whats ticking though i may have been sucking on that teet for a while. Thing is i'm done with insiders. It feels to me like we're close enough that we will soon know what makes these boxes tick.

 

[Hendrick's]

Wait... 12 tflops, RDNA 2.0, ZEN 2 & SSD, and people find things to complain about?

How?

Gotta win the war.

 

[johnjohn]

Fixing games 1 at a time != emulating hardware.

We do know though that playstation had bc before xbox was even a thing, but maybe you arent old enough to remember. Certainly seems to be that way when reading your immature posts.

Right back at you.

 

[it_wasn't_me]

We could be looking at both 12 tf gpu's in consoles but another interesting take is rdna 1 vs 2 what if and i hope isnt the case what if ps5 is on original rdna. 12tf vs 12tf rdna2 wont be apples to apples due to perf to watt increase

surely 7nm (rdna) to 7nm+ (rdna2) cant be that difference in perf?

Is rdna2 actually confirmed to be on 7nm+?

Where is hardware RT for PS5?

 

[MARTYWOLF]

On december 14 2019 @Tommy Fisher wrote xsx is 12 tf rdna2 . What else u wanted him to say ?literally no one had the balls to say rdna 2 but him lol

Yeah but to be fair MS already said NEXT GEN RDNA on there xbox power your dreams post which was released on december 12 RDNA 2 from AMD has multiple times been referenced in the past as NEXT GEN RDNA

 

[Self High Five]

all along? r600 was team 8 tflops and spent almost a year mocking double digit predictions.

Not exaggerating, we're literally talking about someone being consistently wrong over span of 100+ posts. It wouldn't be so embarrassing if it wasn't the obnoxious attitude arm-char sudo technical analyst garbage with no background in research & development or bills of materials outside of the herp, derp "that desktop GPU oiss way too hot to be in a console" As if Sony or MS were going to PC partpicker and jamming retail parts into a console.

Actually, I take that back. Between the two mega threads it was that Colbert fan has been the most consistently wrong. We're talking about charts & tables of multiple flop predictions for almost two years and STILL being way off

absolutely hilarious how shameful some users have acted after being proven wrong. we have vfx veteran taking a victory lap after claiming next gen consoles would offer 1080 performance for almost a year. and now we are redeeming users who were a 100% wrong with their tflops predictions just because they said xbox was using rdna 2 which was pretty much guaranteed when hardware rt and vrs were confirmed.

The best part? The completely wrong 1080 prediction from his "source" until Windows Central (aka, ppl with *actual* sources) revealed the specs early on and then suddenly.....a new nvidia GPU prediction appeared aka 1080ti.

Imaging being middle aged and involved in a completely different industry and still make up "sources" about an upcoming console launch to feel better about your platform of choice.

Cool, so like what Xbox has been doing. Better late than never though.

Almost all equals 4%? Because that's the total number of OG Xbox library you can play via BC since MS suspended their program. There is literally more PS2 'classics' you can play on PS4 right now

 

[Captain Hero]

I want to play 007 Nightfire on PS5 ..

 

[VFXVeteran]

Well it's good news for PC gamers too, because a new gen of consoles refreshes the base line, star citizen is the only game since crysis which has used PC hardware more effectively.
Plus having high hardware in $499 consoles is fantastic news compared to what we got last gen.

Another misunderstanding. The PC and the consoles all share the same hardware. There is nothing "custom" about them that makes developers not able to program to them. We are still trying to carry over age old paradigms that don't fit in today's tech space. The hardware is universal. What they can do to optimize the consoles can also be done to optimize the PC and vice-versa.

Bandwidth is the big limitation. There is no magic for getting around that.

In any case, I was talking about the ludicrous comparison of consoles (or PC GPUs) to CG quality when it's not even close to being true.

 

[Fatal Enigma]

surely 7nm (rdna) to 7nm+ (rdna2) cant be that difference in perf?

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