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[Neo_game]

The 4k 60 fps not will be an standard on console for the simple reason the AAA games want to have more details in screen of course some of them will have 60 fps.

But when start to use RT in many parts the 4k 30 fps will be more common.

Minecraft demo Microsoft did was running at 1080P 60fps. I do not think we are going to see heavy use of RT. May be they will want game running at 4K mainly for marketing purpose. It will depend on the developer and the gfx detail/performance they want to achieve. Personally I would take gfx detail or the amount of pixels. I doubt any game will go under 1440P though.

 

[zufuel]

 

[Metroiddarks]

Minecraft demo Microsoft did was running at 1080P 60fps. I do not think we are going to see heavy use of RT. May be they will want game running at 4K mainly for marketing purpose. It will depend on the developer and the gfx detail/performance they want to achieve. Personally I would take gfx detail or the amount of pixels. I doubt any game will go under 1440P though.

Minecraft is far to be game with heavy geometry but yes so that 1080p 60 fps is impressive. Also you will be some games with a heavy use but if Microsoft probably not as an "easy" to port
is games to inferior consoles of the same brand (like xbox one x) is put the top console in 60 fps and the other 30 fps with less graphics details.

We are agree I also prefer more gfx details than pixel but the marketing of some companies like the same Xbox not, just look now how exists games which looks like Microsoft force the
studio to put in 4k even if affect the fps (compare to ps4 pro) like Anthem.

 

[Deeper Underground]

Ok this caught me off guard lol.

 

[TBiddy]

So now we've gone to shitting on small developers, just because they release on a different platform than the one you prefer? Jesus, some of you need to go outside more.

 

[Metroiddarks]

So now we've gone to shitting on small developers, just because they release on a different platform than the one you prefer? Jesus, some of you need to go outside more.

Did you get the context of why that happens ? the same will happens if he said the game was for PS5.

 

[TBiddy]

Did you get the context of why that happens ? the same will happens if he said the game was for PS5.

Absolutely I did. He was talking postive about the XSX and told people he was releasing a 4k120fps game on it. Apparantly someone got really triggered about that.

 

[nosseman]

I suspect the 16 less CUs will be a moot point with the advent of RT, which I suspect favours higher clocks instead of wider CU count.

On nvidia cards its the opposite.

Wider and slower gives higher performance in RT (and across the board) with 2080 Ti as the lowest clocked 20xx series card.

RTX 2080 TI FE:
Base Clock 1350 MHz
Boost Clock 1545 MHz

Shading Units 4352
TMUs 272
ROPs 88
SM Count 68

RTX 2080 FE:
Base Clock 1515 MHz
Boost Clock 1710 MHz

Shading Units 2944
TMUs 184
ROPs 64
SM Count 46

Rumored next gen render configuration:

Xbox Series X:
Shading Units 3328
TMUs 208
ROPs 80
Compute Units 52

PS5:
Shading Units 2304
TMUs 144
ROPs 64
Compute Units 36

 

[Panajev2001a]

On nvidia cards its the opposite.

Wider and slower gives higher performance in RT (and across the board) with 2080 Ti as the lowest clocked 20xx series card.

RTX 2080 TI FE:
Base Clock 1350 MHz
Boost Clock 1545 MHz

Shading Units 4352
TMUs 272
ROPs 88
SM Count 68

RTX 2080 FE:
Base Clock 1515 MHz
Boost Clock 1710 MHz

Shading Units 2944
TMUs 184
ROPs 64
SM Count 46

Rumored next gen render configuration:

Xbox Series X:
Shading Units 3328
TMUs 208
ROPs 80
Compute Units 52

PS5:
Shading Units 2304
TMUs 144
ROPs 64
Compute Units 36

How do you come up with 80 ROPS? I doubt they have added an extra shader array or more rops per shader array (the latter is more likely than the former). Is it because you expect everything to scale linearly as the CU increase?

 

[Metroiddarks]

Absolutely I did. He was talking postive about the XSX and told people he was releasing a 4k120fps game on it. Apparantly someone got really triggered about that.

Not exactly, he created his Twitter account and his first comments were basically to say that games like he/she would be impossible on ps5 and he comes out with that graphics.

I will never put that kind of comments in my studio profile in Twitter or similar, I know all the hard work which is necesary for do a game and for this reason I will not try to say I am the standard of the videogame in graphics and for that I know something is impossible in other plataform.

Like we say in spanish "cae más rápido un hablador que un cojo".

 

[Metroiddarks]

How do you come up with 80 ROPS? I doubt they have added an extra shader array or more rops per shader array (the latter is more likely than the former). Is it because you expect everything to scale linearly as the CU increase?

Just speculation but also I have a similar idea about the XSX should be better in raytracing.

 

[it_wasn't_me]

Orphan Of The Machine Gameplay video from Dynamic Voltage Games

Coming to XBOX Series X at 4k 120fps .

I see. This is the video then

 

[TBiddy]

Not exactly, he created his Twitter account and his first comments were basically to say that games like he/she would be impossible on ps5 and he comes out with that graphics.

Please link the tweets. I've searched his history and there's literally nothing that says anything like that.

edit: And just as I posted this, we see another post shitting on an indie dev. It's frankly embarrasing. No wonder we have next to no journalists or devs left on Gaf.

 

[pasterpl]

he created his Twitter account and his first comments were basically to say that games like he/she would be impossible on ps5

where did he say this?

 

[it_wasn't_me]

Please link the tweets. I've searched his history and there's literally nothing that says anything like that.

edit: And just as I posted this, we see another post shitting on an indie dev. It's frankly embarrasing. No wonder we have next to no journalists or devs left on Gaf.

Maybe that dev first and foremost shouldn't have made some shitty tweet. This tweet above is HIS 1ST tweet. Probably that's OK.
So, what's the problem?

 

[Nickolaidas]

I wonder what the Series X pro model is going to be called.

X Series XXX?

 

[nosseman]

How do you come up with 80 ROPS? I doubt they have added an extra shader array or more rops per shader array (the latter is more likely than the former). Is it because you expect everything to scale linearly as the CU increase?

Everything I have seen have supported 80 ROPs.

The GPU in Xbox Series X is "bigger" than 5700 XT (40 CUs - 64 ROPs) and "big navi" is rumored to have 80 CUs/96 ROPs.

So - if the biggest navi is 80 CUs/64 ROPs and 5700 XT is 40 CUs/64 ROPs . my guess is that Xbox Series X is somewhere in the middle - perhaps around 5800 XT and biggest navi is 5900 XT.

 

[TBiddy]

Maybe that dev first and foremost shouldn't have made some shitty tweet. This tweet above is HIS 1ST tweet. Probably that's OK

Posting an opinion that differs from yours isn't shitty. There's literally nothing antagonizing in that tweet. It's just because you don't like it, you're upset about it.

 

[it_wasn't_me]

Posting an opinion that differs from yours isn't shitty. There's literally nothing antagonizing in that tweet. It's just because you don't like it, you're upset about it.

Oh, yes, it's shitty. Where is that frickin video to support his own claim? Oh yes, he doesn't have PS5 devkit.

 

[FeiRR]

Orphan Of The Machine Gameplay video from Dynamic Voltage Games

Coming to XBOX Series X at 4k 120fps .

Putting aside the irony of what that dev had said and the graphics we see in this clip... What a terrible idea for a game in 2020. It's a dolphin spitting at enemies and collecting things. I mean... at least it's not wielding a shotgun but seriously, who thought it'd be a good idea for a console game? Is it trying to compete with the infamous tiger thing?

 

[TBiddy]

Oh, yes, it's shitty. Where is that frickin video to support his own claim? Oh yes, he doesn't have PS5 devkit.

You could try asking him if you really want to see that video. That doesn't make the tweet "shitty" in anyway.

 

[Nickolaidas]

So now we've gone to shitting on small developers, just because they release on a different platform than the one you prefer? Jesus, some of you need to go outside more.

We can't.

Quarantine.

 

[ZywyPL]

Orphan Of The Machine Gameplay video from Dynamic Voltage Games

Coming to XBOX Series X at 4k 120fps .

Xbox finally has something to compete again Life of Black Tiger, nice.

 

[it_wasn't_me]

You could try asking him if you really want to see that video. That doesn't make the tweet "shitty" in anyway.

Other people asked him for video. He didn't provided it. It's shitty tweet. That's nice dev behavior i presume.

 

[Deleted member 775630]

I wonder what the Series X pro model is going to be called.

X Series XXX?

Comes with a VR headset for XXX reasons.

 

[TBiddy]

Other people asked him for video. He didn't provided it. It's shitty tweet.

It isn't. You just don't like the content of it.

 

[Shio]

Absolutely I did. He was talking postive about the XSX and told people he was releasing a 4k120fps game on it. Apparantly someone got really triggered about that.

I think people mind because this developer clearly knows about Xbox development and thus can comment on that yet they feel they can comment on the PS5 without developing for it. Also their games do not show that they are able to push the power of the console in a way to support their comments. For example if they say "man this console is soooo powerful" yet their game looks like something which could have run on a PS3.

 

[it_wasn't_me]

It isn't. You just don't like the content of it.

It is a shitty tweet. Accept that he didn't provide a video to support his own claim.

 

[Imtjnotu]

So now we've gone to shitting on small developers, just because they release on a different platform than the one you prefer? Jesus, some of you need to go outside more.

God you get your feelings hurt too easy man. It's just a forum relax,

 

[FeiRR]

I wonder what the Series X pro model is going to be called.

X Series XXX?

Xbox Series XL

Spoiler

I'm semi-serious about it, actually.

 

[Smoke6]

You could try asking him if you really want to see that video. That doesn't make the tweet "shitty" in anyway.

You can't be serious!

All of this is funny as fuck, lmao an eco the dolphin with spit guns lol!

c'mon man, this entire thread has been a ride and a really good one no matter who you're pledged to console wise!

but this dev and his game was not what I expected and I would never have spoken out like he did if my game was this

 

[VanSiriusGabriel]

Xbox Series XL

Spoiler

I'm semi-serious about it, actually.

"To have it even bigger".

 

[TBiddy]

I think people mind because this developer clearly knows about Xbox development and thus can comment on that yet they feel they can comment on the PS5 without developing for it. Also their games do not show that they are able to push the power of the console in a way to support their comments. For example if they say "man this console is soooo powerful" yet their game looks like something which could have run on a PS3.

I have no idea how much he knows about PS5 developing. He's just stating that he doesn't understand the PS5 hardware and that the SSD will be bottlenecked. Apparantly that's enough for people to turn into a light version of Resetera and scream loudly.

It is a shitty tweet. Accept that he didn't provide a video to support his own claim.

I know there's no video. That doesn't make the tweet shitty, just because he dares to say something you don't agree with.

 

[it_wasn't_me]

I have no idea how much he knows about PS5 developing. He's just stating that he doesn't understand the PS5 hardware and that the SSD will be bottlenecked. Apparantly that's enough for people to turn into a light version of Resetera and scream loudly.



I know there's no video. That doesn't make the tweet shitty, just because he dares to say something you don't agree with.

And that's why it's a shitty tweet. You don't make such a comment if you can't support your own claim as a dev who previously stated that he will make a video to show how loadings are faster on XSX compared to PS5

 

[TBiddy]

And that's why it's a shitty tweet. You don't make such a comment if you can't support your own claim as a dev who previously stated that he will make a video to show how loadings are faster on XSX compared to PS5

Note that it says "complicated games". His game isn't really that complicated. I'm sorry he said something about the PS5 that wasn't extremely positive.

 

[Shio]

And that's why it's a shitty tweet. You don't make such a comment if you can't support your own claim as a dev who previously stated that he will make a video to show how loadings are faster on XSX compared to PS5

Hmm, does that mean he also has a PS5? he can only make a comparison video if he has both right? But then he said he doesn't understand the PS5... So how can he make a comparison video again?

 

[Deleted member 775630]

And that's why it's a shitty tweet. You don't make such a comment if you can't support your own claim as a dev who previously stated that he will make a video to show how loadings are faster on XSX compared to PS5

Maybe the video is still on its way? Since he's a small developer, he probably doesn't have that much free time on his hands.

 

[it_wasn't_me]

Note that it says "complicated games". His game isn't really that complicated. I'm sorry he said something about the PS5 that wasn't extremely positive.

Note that it's a shitty tweet. Complicated or simple games, he should provided video to show how loadings are faster on XSX compared to PS5 as he stated it will. As a dev, you don't make such a statements if you can't support your own claim and in the same time not having a PS5 devkit

 

[it_wasn't_me]

Maybe the video is still on its way? Since he's a small developer, he probably doesn't have that much free time on his hands.

Hmm, does that mean he also has a PS5? he can only make a comparison video if he has both right? But then he said he doesn't understand the PS5... So how can he make a comparison video again?

He doesn't have it. Neither PS4 devkits. He never developed a game for PS platform

 

[Vroadstar]

So now we've gone to shitting on small developers, just because they release on a different platform than the one you prefer? Jesus, some of you need to go outside more.

Take it easy, it's just one game and next-gen haven't started it yet. Between this dolphin game and Bleeding Edge I know it's a rough start, at least we another Halo again (6 years in development)

 

[pasterpl]

Putting aside the irony of what that dev had said and the graphics we see in this clip... What a terrible idea for a game in 2020. It's a dolphin spitting at enemies and collecting things. I mean... at least it's not wielding a shotgun but seriously, who thought it'd be a good idea for a console game? Is it trying to compete with the infamous tiger thing?

maybe story line will be amazing

 

[Deleted member 775630]

He doesn't have it. Neither PS4 devkits. He never developed a game for PS platform

You don't need the devkit to proof that there's a mismatch between CPU and SSD speeds. Maybe he does it by simulation? We'll see. He might not show anything, but we shouldn't care too much about random devs defending or attacking other systems on twitter. Just wait for the games.

 

[TBiddy]

Note that it's a shitty tweet. Complicated or simple games, he should provided video to show how loadings are faster on XSX compared to PS5 as he stated it will. As a dev, you don't make such a statements if you can't support your own claim and in the same time not having a PS5 devkit

I disagree. He can't create a complicated game, singlehandedly. Doesn't make sense to shout at him for that.

Take it easy, it's just one game and next-gen haven't started it yet. Between this dolphin game and Bleeding Edge I know it's a rough start, at least we another Halo again (6 years in development)

I'm quite calm to be honest. I just don't think Gaf will ever attract developers if this is how they are talked about.

 

[B_Boss]

oof this thread died. I guess relying on a bunch of fake insiders will do that

Define "died" in context of the awesome discussions, speculation and analysis that is still ongoing?

 

[it_wasn't_me]

I disagree. He can't create a complicated game, singlehandedly. Doesn't make sense to shout at him for that.

Yes he, can. Look what this guy did alone. But it does make sense saying something, but he cannot provide a proof to support his own claim as a dev. /s

You don't need the devkit to proof that there's a mismatch between CPU and SSD speeds. Maybe he does it by simulation? We'll see. He might not show anything, but we shouldn't care too much about random devs defending or attacking other systems on twitter. Just wait for the games.

How he can simulate PS5 devkit SSD speeds if he doesn't have one??? But 10 days passed since that tweet. We have the game showed now for XSX. He also developed 2 games before for Xbox/Windows platforms
Problem is there are persons who defending that tweet, well they care then. /s

 

[Vroadstar]

You don't need the devkit to proof that there's a mismatch between CPU and SSD speeds. Maybe he does it by simulation? We'll see. He might not show anything, but we shouldn't care too much about random devs defending or attacking other systems on twitter. Just wait for the games.

I agree we just wait for games. Though some x fans are dismissing devs who are working on PS5 games already, who knows the hardware and who worked on AAA games only because they are excited for PS5, but at the same time propping up this Dolphin game dev as the "real dev" and the only credible opinion that matters regarding PS5 hardware.

Since, everyone is posting 'real devs'

 

[TBiddy]

Yes he, can. Look what this guy did alone. But it does make sense saying something, but he cannot provide a proof to support his own claim as a dev. /s

Psst. "Lost Soul Aside was picked up as part of Sony's China Hero Project, and is in full development with a team at UltiZero Games "

Besides, just because someone else can potentially develop a complicated game on their own, doesn't mean this guy can.

 

[it_wasn't_me]

Psst. "Lost Soul Aside was picked up as part of Sony's China Hero Project, and is in full development with a team at UltiZero Games "

Besides, just because someone else can potentially develop a complicated game on their own, doesn't mean this guy can.

Doesn't mean that guy can spew shit and not to prove how loadings are faster on XSX. /s

PSSST, before it was made by 1 person. Later he got support by Sony just to finish it up more quickly. Boss battle above was made by one person previously, and also this trailer too. Surely the majority of the game was made by him.



https://www.siliconera.com/lost-soul-aside-developer-yang-bing-talks-sony-support-games-difficulty/

 

[Zzpaff]

Note that it says "complicated games". His game isn't really that complicated. I'm sorry he said something about the PS5 that wasn't extremely positive.

don't tell me that you have invested money in dynamy voltage games? The mistake is that this developer with his comment, what he is trying to do, is to make self-promotion taking advantage of the noise, which has happened, which did not speak from the point of view of one more developer, he did it as a company and giving kicks to the "competition" along the way, come on, a manual opportunist, and the opportunists do not like it, that added to the fact that his games do not support him precisely as an authority on the matter, well, habemus meme.

 

[Deleted member 775630]

How he can simulate PS5 devkit SSD speeds if he doesn't have one???

Well it's a simulation. You simulate the performance of the SSD and CPU virtually, but you'll have to write some code for it. Just like you would simulate the expansion of COVID-19 in the world based on models. You don't need to have COVID-19 to be able to simulate the effect on the world, you just code it together and visualize it.

I agree we just wait for games. Though some x fans are dismissing devs who are working on PS5 games already, who knows the hardware and who worked on AAA games only because they are excited for PS5, but at the same time propping up this Dolphin game dev as the "real dev" and the only credible opinion that matters regarding PS5 hardware.

That happens on both sides unfortunately. People quote people that support their message, and say others are biased if it doesn't support it. Those people should also be ignored