Jerm411
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Depends....price, esp. right now, will be extremely important.
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Depends....price, esp. right now, will be extremely important.
FranXico
Member
The kind of LOD inconsistency on display there is most likely a bug, not any kind of hardware limitation.
icy121
Member
It's unfortunate that a couple media outlets and YT personalities picked up this story. Rubino said, "FUD or legit concerns about Playstation 5 having issues?" IF Jez said "he's been hearing similar stuff" (which, spoiler alert - he hasn't) BUT if he did, why preface your tweet with "FUD or legit concerns...." Why not just say "Playstation 5 is having legit concerns." Does Rubino not believe Jez's "source? If thats the case, why even bring up Jez "hearing similar stuff" at all if you know well and good his make-believe source isn't telling the truth?!
Fake
Member
Dunno if this is a particular problem with UE. Unreal Engine already have a decent history of problems on console. Nothing beat Unity engine, but still.
What I pray is for devs forget a little Unreal Engine and focus on making their own engine, because the quantity of games using Unreal Engine this generation is very high. Was a time when every dev used their particular engine for games, now even Kingdom Hearts is using UE.
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lepermessiah
Member
Keen for that teardown. I want to see dem innards, Cerny, mmm.
Gamernyc78
Banned
Not at all, ps3 was hundreds more, online went down, Xbox 360 had better multiplats and Sony upon release still outsold them world wide.
Sony market share and mindshare. is just too beastly
Of course those things are important but Xbox won't sell more than Sony if cheaper. They will however probably sell more xbox's.
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Doesnt matter if its minor, its an advantage. Sony will lose every DF faceoff right at the start of the gen, leaving the masses to buy the most powerful console. If not the masses, then the xbox 360 owners who switched to ps4 last gen. if every multiplat games runs the best on the xbox series x, why would you want the ps5? sony better have some amazing exclusives ready at launch. and not just their action adventure titles. they need first person shooters and WRPGs.
I am not doubting that the ps5 is a powerful console, im saying by focusing on features instead of raw power, they have put themselves in a corner. Where the only way out is great marketing to show off these features and they have done a miserable job of showcasing these so far.
Fake
Member
I'm afraid still matters. Sony did beat Xbox 360, but was much late game with library and base price. I'll still get PS5, not dunno if I'll be an early user. Maybe one or two years after the launch. I can even get the Dualsense first.
Will depend.
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
And dont forget, Sony was closing in fast in the u.s before MS launched Kinect. If it wasnt for the Kinect selling to soccer moms and grandparents, Sony wouldve sold better in the u.s. Instead, the 360 with kinect went on to beat even the Wii for the last three years of that gen and still lost their audience.
I never fully realised that. Wow, that's pretty damming.
joe_zazen
Member
yeah, sony marketing has been a shit show for two years now. I have two theories.
My positive side says have been secretly dumping money and resources into making sure ps5 reveal is EPIC. and they know nothing MS can say or do will derail that.
My cynical side however, thinks Sony is cheap as fuck and has a bare bones marketing and PR dept that cannot market effectively in 2020. So the reveal will be another headshaking wtf. And this cheapness extends to what games they will have coming. All big ones will be cross gen, and the next gen exclusives will be like ps4 in 2013. So we will see the equivalent of knack, Killzone, and resogun.
I think option two is more likely as I see no evidence of Sony sinking big money into playstation to wow us beyond making more graphical AAA 3rd person action adventure showcase games. Hell, they cant even put out Stae of Plays or podcasts on a regular basis.
Jerm411
Member
I get what you're saying and I don't disagree about the mindshare part...saying price doesn't matter is absolutely false though.
If MS matches whatever price the PS5 launches at or even goes cheaper, I can see it being a more competitive race in certain territories,
Aceofspades
Banned
True brother, Im excited to see the form factor and get the pretty Dualsense in my hand .
Jerm411
Member
See I look at it differently...I don't think their marketing concerning the PS5 has been shitty at all...I think they've taken the stance that we'll just release what ever we want (logo, DualSense, etc.) any time we want and we know it'll do big metrics, numbers, etc.
...and so far they've been proven right.
They don't really need to do a huge marketing push, just keep on doing what they're doing.
Fun Fanboy
Banned
I don't know man. I don't pay attention to it that hard.
I love how whataboutism only works when someone want it to. Like when I or someone tries to defend Trump on something... WHATABOUTISM!!!!
I don't have my panties in a bunch about that SDF crew on Twitter on what they're saying. I laugh at it and go on about my biz. And I have no idea what all this is about with Tim and company giving out specs. Lol. .Github been out a long time. Seems Sony people were the ones in denial.
Go ahead and have a heart attack over Tim and the fellas though. That's on you. Not them. You can only make yourself feel the way you do. Not them.
And Jez? Jez is great. Not sure what the problem is with him. It's cool man. You're so involved in all of this, it's flipping you out. You should probably mute all those guys on twitter. It seems like it would make you feel a bit better. I have fun with all the fanboy stuff. I don't take it to heart. But again, only you can make you feel the way you do. Nobody else. It's video game consoles.
Gamernyc78
Banned
My last paragraph alluded to price mattering to an extent but will not get Microsoft selling more than Sony, it'll definitely get them selling more than if their price was higher. So it does matter but won't have them outselling Sony.
Hope tht clarifies my stance.
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Jerm411
Member
I don't disagree there...I think even Phil would admit they're not outselling Sony no matter what they do.
ethomaz
Banned
Unless AMD changed a lot with RDNA 2 that is how it is in RDNA.
"Inside the graphics core of the die, in the center is the command processor which interfaces with the software over the PCI Express interface. Next to the command processor is the geometry processor which assembles the primitives and vertices. It is also responsible for distributing the work among the two shader engines. The two shader engines house all the programmable compute logic. Within each shader engine, there are two shader arrays. Inside each array is the primitive unit, a rasterizer, a group of four render backends (RBs), a shared L1 cache, and the new compute units."
There is no way I can see RDNA 2 doesn't having a Geometry Engine.
It doesn't make sense to be fair.
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Fun Fanboy
Banned
I expect xbox to be the same price as the PS5.
Jerm411
Member
It has to be at the very least...has to be.
They'd be insane to launch $1 higher than the PS5.
Agnostic2020
Member
I still think sony will undercut them by 50$
Gamernyc78
Banned
450 maybe.
Aceofspades
Banned
I expect the same.
Deeper Underground
Member
Man, it's posts like these that make me want to put you on ignore. We are dealing with a global pandemic. Of course that is going to completely change how Sony doesn't their marketing. We already know Sony was supposed to unveil the PS5 back in February followed by the technical blowout at GDC. That didn't happen.
"W-well what about MS!?"
What about them? They had to get out ahead of Sony because they have no choice. They got the dogshit beat out of them this generation, so they have no choice, but to jump out and tell anyone who will listen about the greatness of the XSX. Meanwhile, Sony casually drops a picture of the DualSense and becomes one of the most liked gaming tweets and IG posts ever. Hardcore gamers are sitting here arguing over which box is better, but the majority of the mainstream doesn't know or doesn't care about specs. All they want to know is if the box is stronger than their current box for a reasonable price. All this ballyhoo about "multiplatform games being better on XSX, etc. isn't going to mean shit in a world where the difference between both systems is the lowest ever. Stop freaking out for no reason.
Physiognomonics
Member
Actually XBX has 50% more ram bandwidth and size than Pro. This is significant.
FranXico
Member
Considering known specs, people kind of expect so now.
T
Three Jackdaws
Unconfirmed Member
Mark Cerny is so hard to dislike, even after the The road to PS5 talk which annoyed many people, the comment section was just filled with praise about how Cerny almost flawlessly delivered the presentation lol
Gamernyc78
Banned
I guess because he seems like a genuine nerd, who isn't trying to be a cheap car salesman like some other execs at Sony, microsoft and Nintendo I hate lol. Plus we all know he's deeply involved and not just talking.
Cobenzl
Member
Out of the 3 million plus people who liked the PS5 controller picture shown last week, how many of them do you think hang our here, on REE or any other gaming board? I'd say 2% (being generous). The other 98% don't care about TFLOPS or SSDs. PS has the brand and will have the worldwide demand. Can't see MS doing anything to dent that even with their console capable of pushing more TF. Vast majority don't really care.
SenjutsuSage
Banned
Seriously!?
Talk about missing entirely what I was doing. And btw.. you do realize that State of Decay that you saw running on Series X isn't actually designed with any Xbox Series X features in mind, right?As for people seriously trying to say the Xbox Series X has somehow horrible or inefficient I/O performance when we saw the damn thing quickly switch between 5-6 different games with roughly 8 seconds tops in between each, yea.. I don't know about that one. None of those games were actually designed for the Series X's capabilities also. And of course the PS5 SSD sounds very impressive, but I really don't believe outside of initial loads people are going to be seeing the SSD advantages they are hoping to see in game comparisons. And why is that? It's not that Sony's first parties won't do unbelievable things, they will. The problem? People are MIGHTILY overestimating what an SSD can bring to the experience and greatly downplaying the role that the CPU and GPU play. Make no mistake, the CPUs are the biggest game changers coming into this generation, not the SSD. Then when you factor in the significant efficiency improvements of the GPU architectures this time around, along with the features already confirmed for the Series X, I just don't see any realistic scenario where any other announced console is somehow going to run circles around this thing simply because of a much faster SSD.
But the best part is we will have the chance to find out, won't we?
LED Guy?
Banned
Well well well....looks like the GitHub folders that were about the Next-gen consoles weren't hosted by AMD after all, they were hacked or leaked from a worker at AMD and the ones who hosted those folders on GitHub were a bunch of Xbox fanboys like Hmqgg and the others as well, which is why we have that mysterious Reddit leak that was in January 2019, that clearly stated Lockhart being 4+ TF console, PS5 +8 TF (it was Ariel at that time with 36 CUs at 1800 MHz), and finally, Xbox Series X being 12 TF console.
Hmqgg even admitted it on Twitter and then made his Twitter account private, that Xbox fanboy infested Discord named "Xbox Era Discord" which has guys like Spechal Ed, TimDog, ProElite, Colbert, Klobrille, Colteastwood, and even Digital Foundry's own Alex Battaglia is in there, no wonder they were acting like they're insiders or "in the know" when Mark Cerny 1st revealed some of the specs inside the PS5 back in April 16th, 2019, they were saying that Xbox Scarlett was gonna be "more powerful and more advanced" (Which at that time, the GitHub leak that was posted by Hmqgg was stating that PS5 won't be having VRS, no HW RT, 8 TF Ariel GPU codename, RDNA 1, Navi 10 Lite).....So......we can conclude that it was some Watch Dogs hacking-level territory LMAO!! And it even disproves what Klobrille at that time, he said that PS5 is weaker and less advanced, weaker? Yes, slightly weaker GPU-wise, but it is as advanced as XSX which is RDNA 2 GPU.
The GitHub leak is 50/50 true, so it wasn't the full story as some Xbox fanboys wanted it to be, the difference between XSX and PS5 is 16% in GPU power which is really almost nothing, while PS5 has double the SSD speed.
We can conclude that:
—— GitHub folders were NOT hosted by AMD.
—— It was hosted by Hmqgg which is part of that Xbox Era Discord and I don't know how he got it, maybe he hacked it from AMD servers? From a worker at AMD? Interrigation? ???????
—— Many Xbox fanboys were wrong.
—— Xbox Era Discord is disgusting and full of disgusting fanboys that spread FUD about PS5 being 8 TF which is wrong.
—— GitHub leak was 50% wrong, 50% right.
—— Thanks to
SlimySnake
and
M
MonkeyPunch
for making this very clear to us here and now we understand everything.
Xbox fanboys are very sneaky after all, but Phil Spencer will be giving them Game Pass small ass games in the end for all those 12 TFs!!
Hmqgg even admitted it on Twitter and then made his Twitter account private, that Xbox fanboy infested Discord named "Xbox Era Discord" which has guys like Spechal Ed, TimDog, ProElite, Colbert, Klobrille, Colteastwood, and even Digital Foundry's own Alex Battaglia is in there, no wonder they were acting like they're insiders or "in the know" when Mark Cerny 1st revealed some of the specs inside the PS5 back in April 16th, 2019, they were saying that Xbox Scarlett was gonna be "more powerful and more advanced" (Which at that time, the GitHub leak that was posted by Hmqgg was stating that PS5 won't be having VRS, no HW RT, 8 TF Ariel GPU codename, RDNA 1, Navi 10 Lite).....So......we can conclude that it was some Watch Dogs hacking-level territory LMAO!! And it even disproves what Klobrille at that time, he said that PS5 is weaker and less advanced, weaker? Yes, slightly weaker GPU-wise, but it is as advanced as XSX which is RDNA 2 GPU.
The GitHub leak is 50/50 true, so it wasn't the full story as some Xbox fanboys wanted it to be, the difference between XSX and PS5 is 16% in GPU power which is really almost nothing, while PS5 has double the SSD speed.
We can conclude that:
—— GitHub folders were NOT hosted by AMD.
—— It was hosted by Hmqgg which is part of that Xbox Era Discord and I don't know how he got it, maybe he hacked it from AMD servers? From a worker at AMD? Interrigation? ???????
—— Many Xbox fanboys were wrong.
—— Xbox Era Discord is disgusting and full of disgusting fanboys that spread FUD about PS5 being 8 TF which is wrong.
—— GitHub leak was 50% wrong, 50% right.
—— Thanks to
SlimySnake
and
M
MonkeyPunch
for making this very clear to us here and now we understand everything.Xbox fanboys are very sneaky after all, but Phil Spencer will be giving them Game Pass small ass games in the end for all those 12 TFs!!
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Fun Fanboy
Banned
good lord.
VanSiriusGabriel
Member
You are way overestimating how many people knows or cares of potential differences in multiplats. DF does some hundreds thousands views every video, is nothing compared to masses.
General comparison videos with just some screenshots will be impossible to discern for the standard gamer, it's not even a PS3 vs 360 where visuals could have been clearly different. Who will want to see advantages will see them on the console they prefer already.
But I agree Sony did mistakes with presenting everything.
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SenjutsuSage
Banned
I keep seeing people say this, but Xbox 360 already proved it can be dented lol. There were special circumstances then as you are all aware, but so too were there special circumstances when Xbox One launched. $100 more expensive while also being weaker, big nsa leak causing people to be concerned kinect would be spying on them, all the negativity around used games and always online, and it certainly couldn't have helped that the first COD out the gate had the game running much better on PS4 compared to Xbox One.
Playstation's brand isn't impervious and people who think this are probably going to be in for the biggest surprise. Will the PS5 win the sales battle? It's a safe bet, sure, but we don't know what a potential lockhart does to this equation. We don't know the types of new games Xbox Series X will be coming with. And most of the very hardcore people out there that visit sites like this or that bother to like the ps5 controller on social media? What do you think that is total? I assure you it accounts for a much smaller portion of the console gaming population than you think. There are A LOT more persuadables out there than you all seem to appreciate, so I'd be careful assuming something is already won when in fact nothing at all is won yet by either side as far as consumers are concerned. No, social media likes and random internet polls don't tell you anything.
Jerm411
Member
Well well well....looks like the GitHub folders that were about the Next-gen consoles weren't hosted by AMD after all, they were hacked or leaked from a worker at AMD and the ones who hosted those folders on GitHub were a bunch of Xbox fanboys like Hmqgg and the others as well, which is why we have that mysterious Reddit leak that was in January 2019, that clearly stated Lockhart being 4+ TF console, PS5 +8 TF (it was Ariel at that time with 36 CUs at 1800 MHz), and finally, Xbox Series X being 12 TF console.
Hmqgg even admitted it on Twitter and then made his Twitter account private, that Xbox fanboy infested Discord named "Xbox Era Discord" which has guys like Spechal Ed, TimDog, ProElite, Colbert, Klobrille, Colteastwood, and even Digital Foundry's own Alex Battaglia is in there, no wonder they were acting like they're insiders or "in the know" when Mark Cerny 1st revealed some of the specs inside the PS5 back in April 16th, 2019, they were saying that Xbox Scarlett was gonna be "more powerful and more advanced" (Which at that time, the GitHub leak that was posted by Hmqgg was stating that PS5 won't be having VRS, no HW RT, 8 TF Ariel GPU codename, RDNA 1, Navi 10 Lite).....So......we can conclude that it was some Watch Dogs hacking-level territory LMAO!! And it even disproves what Klobrille at that time, he said that PS5 is weaker and less advanced, weaker? Yes, slightly weaker GPU-wise, but it is as advanced as XSX which is RDNA 2 GPU.
The GitHub leak is 50/50 true, so it wasn't the full story as some Xbox fanboys wanted it to be, the difference between XSX and PS5 is 16% in GPU power which is really almost nothing, while PS5 has double the SSD speed.
We can conclude that:
—— GitHub folders were NOT hosted by AMD.
—— It was hosted by Hmqgg which is part of that Xbox Era Discord and I don't know how he got it, maybe he hacked it from AMD servers? From a worker at AMD? Interrigation? ???????
—— Many Xbox fanboys were wrong.
—— Xbox Era Discord is disgusting and full of disgusting fanboys that spread FUD about PS5 being 8 TF which is wrong.
—— GitHub leak was 50% wrong, 50% right.
—— Thanks to
Xbox fanboys are very sneaky after all, but Phil Spencer will be giving them Game Pass small ass games in the end for all those 12 TFs!!
I love you're anti console warrior post containing a cringeworthy complete console warz paragraph to end it.....lol JFC.
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sircaw
Banned
Seriously!?
As for people seriously trying to say the Xbox Series X has somehow horrible or inefficient I/O performance when we saw the damn thing quickly switch between 5-6 different games with roughly 8 seconds tops in between each, yea.. I don't know about that one. None of those games were actually designed for the Series X's capabilities also. And of course the PS5 SSD sounds very impressive, but I really don't believe outside of initial loads people are going to be seeing the SSD advantages they are hoping to see in game comparisons. And why is that? It's not that Sony's first parties won't do unbelievable things, they will. The problem? People are MIGHTILY overestimating what an SSD can bring to the experience and greatly downplaying the role that the CPU and GPU play. Make no mistake, the CPUs are the biggest game changers coming into this generation, not the SSD. Then when you factor in the significant efficiency improvements of the GPU architectures this time around, along with the features already confirmed for the Series X, I just don't see any realistic scenario where any other announced console is somehow going to run circles around this thing simply because of a much faster SSD.
But the best part is we will have the chance to find out, won't we?
I think Microsoft quick resume feature is awesome but saying that, if Sony have a system where they can boot there games up in under a second, that's one hell of a feature. I thought there was meant to be a patented widget, application idea that was found.
If that ends up being the case, imagine normal consumers when they see that feature, its such a visual aid compared to a game with a few more fps.
Set up two tvs next to each other and have Microsoft's quick resume feature vs Sony 1 sec load any game.
I know which would impress me more.
This ssd tech is amazing
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
to me, this is the most curious part. i remember the threads on era that popped up immediately after the wired article about how scarlett was more powerful. sources were klobree and hmqgg. i figured they just heard it from devs but cerny said the devkits hadnt been sent out and a week or two later, jason confirmed that devs were now receiving devkits. so how did klobrie know if the devs didnt know?
i always found it odd how confident colbert and timdog were even though all the devs were saying the ps5 was more powerful. timdog said he spoke to albert penelo so i figured he knew the xbox specs but why would he be so sure of the ps5 specs. turns out it was because they had the github leaks months before even komachi found them.
SenjutsuSage
Banned
I personally don't care all that much about multi-plat differences so long as the game looks and plays well on my preferred platform. Seeing the differences is more just a fun curiosity. The PS5 will be a fantastic console, and so will the Series X. I really don't see anybody being disappointed on either side.
LED Guy?
Banned
Yeah I just did it for the laughs, nothing serious, but GOD DANGIT!!!! That story was just some WatchDogs hacker-territory shit!
travisktl
Member
It blows my mind how far some people will go to spread misinformation about a gaming console, especially knowing that Sony will clarify everything eventually. It just doesn't make sense to put that much effort into it, and waste so much time. You've really got to be so bored that you literally don't have anything else better to do.Well well well....looks like the GitHub folders that were about the Next-gen consoles weren't hosted by AMD after all, they were hacked or leaked from a worker at AMD and the ones who hosted those folders on GitHub were a bunch of Xbox fanboys like Hmqgg and the others as well, which is why we have that mysterious Reddit leak that was in January 2019, that clearly stated Lockhart being 4+ TF console, PS5 +8 TF (it was Ariel at that time with 36 CUs at 1800 MHz), and finally, Xbox Series X being 12 TF console.
Hmqgg even admitted it on Twitter and then made his Twitter account private, that Xbox fanboy infested Discord named "Xbox Era Discord" which has guys like Spechal Ed, TimDog, ProElite, Colbert, Klobrille, Colteastwood, and even Digital Foundry's own Alex Battaglia is in there, no wonder they were acting like they're insiders or "in the know" when Mark Cerny 1st revealed some of the specs inside the PS5 back in April 16th, 2019, they were saying that Xbox Scarlett was gonna be "more powerful and more advanced" (Which at that time, the GitHub leak that was posted by Hmqgg was stating that PS5 won't be having VRS, no HW RT, 8 TF Ariel GPU codename, RDNA 1, Navi 10 Lite).....So......we can conclude that it was some Watch Dogs hacking-level territory LMAO!! And it even disproves what Klobrille at that time, he said that PS5 is weaker and less advanced, weaker? Yes, slightly weaker GPU-wise, but it is as advanced as XSX which is RDNA 2 GPU.
The GitHub leak is 50/50 true, so it wasn't the full story as some Xbox fanboys wanted it to be, the difference between XSX and PS5 is 16% in GPU power which is really almost nothing, while PS5 has double the SSD speed.
We can conclude that:
—— GitHub folders were NOT hosted by AMD.
—— It was hosted by Hmqgg which is part of that Xbox Era Discord and I don't know how he got it, maybe he hacked it from AMD servers? From a worker at AMD? Interrigation? ???????
—— Many Xbox fanboys were wrong.
—— Xbox Era Discord is disgusting and full of disgusting fanboys that spread FUD about PS5 being 8 TF which is wrong.
—— GitHub leak was 50% wrong, 50% right.
—— Thanks to
Xbox fanboys are very sneaky after all, but Phil Spencer will be giving them Game Pass small ass games in the end for all those 12 TFs!!
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Jerm411
Member
Yeah I just did it for the laughs, nothing serious, but GOD DANGIT!!!! That story was just some WatchDogs hacker-territory shit!
I get it lol....
LED Guy?
Banned
Yes that's what I thought as well, some strange stuff!!
Google trends can be very unreliable on that kind of thing much like social media as some one who used it for both work and university you should probably take that with a grain of salt
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SenjutsuSage
Banned
I actually do expect that to convince many people out the gate that perhaps PS5 is stronger if they were to see a side by side of both consoles loading up a game, and it loads way faster on the PS5 side. Many wouldn't really care (or know) which had higher resolution or had more bells and whistles running etc. They only really care about the game, and that load demonstration may be more significant to this gen than many think. Many will see the console that loads the game far faster as the more powerful system regardless of specs.
FranXico
Member
Google Trends are not a reliable interest barometer, merely omitting a word or two can skew results massively.
pasterpl
Member
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
yeah, as much as i want to believe, i think option 2 is far more likely. none of us here thought sony would settle for 36 CUs to save a few dollars and yet here we are. the fact that they downgraded ram from 560 or whatever was in the github and flute leaks to 448 gbps is even more alarming. this is clearly not the same company that we saw back at e3 2013. cancelling E3 the year of launch is mind blowing considering how much great press they got in e3 2013, 2015 and 2016.
ive brought this up before, but all those 20-30 year vets leaving in a span of a couple of years was always a sign of trouble. andrew house launches sonys biggest product in years to massive success and is then let go? then his replacement is replaced? then shawn layden is given an unceremonious exit immediately afterwards? and then shu is replaced after his studios had arguably the best generation ever for a first party console manufacturer. I mean he produced three overall GOTY winners in U4, GoW and DS, the last of which was not first party but i highly doubt shu wasnt heavily involved in kojima's recruitment and the sharing of the decima engine.
these guys have been around since the ps1 launch. all gone. Now we are stuck with Logo enthusiast Jim Ryan who is more prone to gaffes than Don Matrick and Joe Biden combined. they shouldve brought back andrew house or jack tretton after kodera didnt work out. i have no idea whats going on at sony.
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Aceofspades
Banned
As for people seriously trying to say the PS5 has somehow horrible or inefficient GPU performance simply because of 18% less Tflops?
See what I did here?
Also
Microsoft themselves seems to disagree with you here:
MS touting their slow ass SSD as their most innovative features
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