Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD

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FeiRR said:
How can a salesman with a BA do a hardware deep dive?



It all depends what you put inside, how much you spend, etc. PC tower cases have a lot of space and possibilities. I don't see people complaining about PC tower sizes. A full tower ATX case is almost 70 cm high.


They've chickened out.
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Actually that would be funny and I'd support it "so yeah the...gpu is for graphics and stuff....and the CPU helps with other things. Ram is important for stuff"
 
ToadMan said:
Then the people who like to sell their played games would be up in arms about it.

I'd say better is they just offer a mail in disc/receive code system.
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Well, If I remember correctly God of war ascension had a multiplayer access code. If you buy it second hand and the code was used you couldn't play online.
 
Neo Blaster said:
You missed the point: what if someone buys a disc for their PS4 now, and due to supply constraints(or even lack of information) had to grab PS5 DE? Upgrading the game won't be possible.

This is not restricted to EA, if you've got TLOU2 physical copy, are you locked with the regular PS5 if you want to play the enhanced version?
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That would be quite a selective lack of information though right? I mean, somehow they would expect a next gen console to play last gen games (which hasn't happen almost ever before), but somehow would miss the whole reason they are paying for the cheaper SKU is that it doesn't have an optical drive. Sorry, but I'm not buying that reasoning at all.
I've been buying digital only for years now under the expectation my library would carry forward much more seamlessly, I guess I'm good now :)
 
sonomamashine said:
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Tell me if this look the same to you, notice the curves on the official photo and how boxy & square the fake look.
The bottom is larger than the top on the original, the fake one is a rectangle.
I say it's Fake.
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Looks the same when you look direct to the white part.
 
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THE:MILKMAN said:
I'm not sure if it is fake. I would err toward it being a real/genuine picture of some sort. Before the thread was closed on era there were suggestions the guy holding the PS5 is Tetsu Sumii but I don't think it looks like him. (white T-Shirt)

I will say something felt off about how the whole picture came to be posted and how it was discussed...Can't put my finger on why, though?

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The thread was never closed in ERA.
 
Setsuna Mudou said:
That would be quite a selective lack of information though right? I mean, somehow they would expect a next gen console to play last gen games (which hasn't happen almost ever before), but somehow would miss the whole reason they are paying for the cheaper SKU is that it doesn't have an optical drive. Sorry, but I'm not buying that reasoning at all.
I've been buying digital only for years now under the expectation my library would carry forward much more seamlessly, I guess I'm good now :)
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Never underestimate casuals. Just imagine people buying a PS4 disc now, getting PS5 DE, getting to know the game can be upgraded to PS5 but in the end it's not possible, they will feel scammed.
 
Neo Blaster said:
Never underestimate casuals. Just imagine people buying a PS4 disc now, getting PS5 DE, getting to know the game can be upgraded to PS5 but in the end it's not possible, they will feel scammed.
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If they know that games can be upgraded, they will know it's not possible on DE. I just don't see how this could be done technically. If you want to go digital, do it fully.
 
DeepEnigma said:
Apologies if already posted, RGT is going to do a video series on SSDs. This is the first in the series, next one will be a versus based one.

First one breaks it down really well in Layman's for people still confused.

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He does a great job of breaking down why the SSD's are so important and where the PS5 has an advantage in that area and how it relates to the available memory.

When you actually realize how it all works, you have to admit that they really invested in an area that will give a far longer term advantage to PS5 than a mere 1 or 2 tflop GPU boost.

Now games will be able to be built from the ground up for this specific speed of SSD and in 2 or 3 years, a mid-gen refresh will push the Tflops and CPU clock up to increase raytracing and fps performance etc.
 
sonomamashine said:
Same as sony fans for calling xsx a fridge.

Genuinely curious to know about the ps5 heat and power usage as well. if it really is a 10,3TF sustained... (as staited by people in here with very very rare drops) well, we're looking at a lot of power and heat (2.23Ghz), which means a lot of cooling. Could be loud.
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Really lol? Go and study the Cerny video. Cerny and his team figuring out cooling is not curing AIDS. He's confident they've struck a good balance.
 
Looking at both boxes it looks like Sony really tried to give us something pleasing to look at while avoiding potential heating issues, Microsoft only cared about the cooling solution and didn't care about the design at all "put it all in a box and poke some holes on top, XB logo and done!".
 
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sircaw said:
I am looking at it at the opposite angle from you.
I think it's will be less aimed at racists but more in line of making it that you can select every colour gender so that no one feels targeted or is offended.

Like options for at the start of a characters game for hair eyes skin all that jazz.

Some one is always going to be offended, this way, if your upset you can change the victims away to something that offends you less.

For example, violence against women. Show a scene with a man being battered to death, punched kicked, most people will not batter an eyelid, show a woman getting the same treatment and Feminists say your condoning domestic abuse or some silly shit like that.

With this option you could just turn all woman character models to men and be " less offended "
this is what i mean in reference to the colour slider you remarked on. I understand it's not perfect, some fucking idiots will abuse it and bring race into it but hopefully their kind are far and few.

Mind you after seeing some of the new Tlou2 there is brutality in there on both sides.
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While talking about it, I don't understand anything about the hate on TLOU2, I think all the story decisions TLOU2 made makes 100% sense. Sorry if someone disagree. Maybe playing as a female is not my cup of tea, but at least they didn't make her wear only a thong like in Nier or overly sexualized like many other games that are "worshiped" by gamers.

I don't feel any forced agendas so far, being pretty deep into the game already, not sure how far from the ending.
 
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Fatez said:
Doesn't look like him lol . I tried to look the pic several times while trying to decide if i believe it was real or fake but those those i saw on the logos were a red flag for me as photographer :D Also, those guys might be in danger for just posting a pic like that on such a secretive thing like PS5 i guess. There been some scrutiny specifically on the size but what i have mentioned and maybe the way to hold, whatever it is, and considering what we have of PS5 Hardware in terms of design seems a bit off. It is amusing nonetheless
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One of the verified posters was intimating the picture was an official internal release. Didn't really elaborate further though.

Fatez said:
THE:MILKMAN THE:MILKMAN Or, plot twist, this is an early design of the console with no distinctive design but a box. :D
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I doubt that. If it is real then it would most likely be one of the first consumer PS5's off the line. Hence the picture.

ethomaz said:
The thread was never closed in ERA.
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The architecture deep dive thread where I was posting about the picture came to an end and was locked (20,000 post limit).
 
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sonomamashine said:
Same as sony fans for calling xsx a fridge.

Genuinely curious to know about the ps5 heat and power usage as well. if it really is a 10,3TF sustained... (as staited by people in here with very very rare drops) well, we're looking at a lot of power and heat (2.23Ghz), which means a lot of cooling. Could be loud.
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MS would be smart to capitalize on the mini fridge joke.
Make a partnership with Mountain Dew and release a series X inspired mini-fridge. I have no doubt it would sell well.
 
THE:MILKMAN said:
One of the verified posters was intimating the picture was an official internal release. Didn't really elaborate further though.



I doubt that. If it is real then it would most likely be one of the first consumer PS5's off the line. Hence the picture.



The architecture deep dive thread where I was posting about the picture came to an end and was locked (20,000 post limit).
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Ohhhhh they have that limit yet.

Well I'm #TeamReal for now... I really tried to find any pic that can confirm the manipulation but that pic is unique.
 
Fatez said:
In my personal opinion it's fake. First, the "tablet" or thing on their hands it's flat, and if it was the PS5 would even cast some shadow from top right angle to left bottom angle, and there is none. The PS logo position is weird. The SONY logo and jackets on the workers are in different positions/badly oriented. finally Both the PS and SONY logos have a white outline that shouldn't be there. Best quality i could find was like 700x525 which might be done in purpose to avoid zoom and detect the changes. Its fairly well done i think, for a fake :D
My two cents
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And what'd they use to make the image quality so shit when you zoom in? I mean it's obviously a bit better than a potato camera but my very old iPhone 5s took better pictures than this.
 
ethomaz said:
Ohhhhh they have that limit yet.

Well I'm #TeamReal for now... I really tried to find any pic that can confirm the manipulation but that pic is unique.
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I do think it is likely real but I'm more interested in how the picture came to be posted on Discord and what the nature of the internal release (if that's what it is) was.

Also those suggesting it was the head of hardware engineering (no name given) or the art director (Sumii) who it looks nothing like. This is the weird thing for me, not the picture itself.
 
THE:MILKMAN said:
I do think it is likely real but I'm more interested in how the picture came to be posted on Discord and what the nature of the internal release (if that's what it is) was.

Also those suggesting it was the head of hardware engineering (no name given) or the art director (Sumii) who it looks nothing like. This is the weird thing for me, not the picture itself.
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His position or name I have no ideia but he is probably that guy in the far back with half of the face covered.

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Bo_Hazem said:
While talking about it, I don't understand anything about the hate on TLOU2, I think all the story decisions TLOU2 made makes 100% sense. Sorry if someone disagree. Maybe playing as a female is not my cup of tea, but at least they didn't make her were only a thong like in Nier or overly sexualized like many other games that are "worshiped" by gamers.

I don't feel any forced agendas so far, being pretty deep into the game already, not sure how far from the ending.
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Alot of the hate i would imagine come from silly Trolls, I have seen some crazy scores from people in regards to reviews like zeros, ones and two's. You know straight away these are bullshit.

I played the first one, i did not consider it a masterpiece like many people do but it was still a damn good game, at least an 8/10 imo.

Some people are annoyed that Elle is a lesbian which is pathetic, at the end of the day its their game, their vision.
Some people are annoyed that Neil Druckmann has a personal agenda, i remember watching a Robin gaming video about it, it was interesting to say the least.


I love writing short stories, and would hate to have to change my vision of something because some one is offended by what they do not like.

I am really glad your enjoying the game, really want to hear some feedback when your done.
 
Setsuna Mudou said:
lol @ gamespot... if someone is buying physical media why would they expect it to play on the digital only console? Sounds like a water being wet on a slow news day :messenger_tears_of_joy:
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No there is no problem with gamestop. There are people out there who are going to make big story out of this when ps5 releases. You will seemany stupid people asking for refund because of this.
 
sonomamashine said:
Same as sony fans for calling xsx a fridge.

Genuinely curious to know about the ps5 heat and power usage as well. if it really is a 10,3TF sustained... (as staited by people in here with very very rare drops) well, we're looking at a lot of power and heat (2.23Ghz), which means a lot of cooling. Could be loud.
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Man I could swear none of you who say "sustained" even know how consoles or computers work. You just use it for the sake of arguing with no clue how it all works.

Do you know what theoretical means? Do you know what theoretical Teraflops means? Do you know those Teraflops numbers you see are a theoretical maximum? Do you know how they're reached and how they're achieved? Do you know what bottlenecks means? Do you know what efficiency is and how that relates to gfx cards? Do you know how power works? Do you know how gfx and CPU cards work? Do you think your 100 Teragigaflippityflops card stays at its maximum 100% of the time? Have you monitored or seen a video monitoring those cards before? Have you seen the numbers fluctuate? Then you have the software layer etc. You think games that don't require 12tf will still use it all?

Ok, now if you understand and have answers to all these questions, then now you've graduated and are more informed on how these things work.

Think Nvidia's lower TF vs AMD's higher TF cards and why Nvidia's still performed better. Why AMD made RDNA.

There's a lot more to it than just a Teraflop number. We've seen Cerny tell us how theirs work, but we don't know how SX works. If SX customized theirs enough to easily achieve 12tf, then kudos to them, but no way their console will be stuck at 12tf the whole time. That is just silly and not efficient.
 
Killer Sakoman said:
No there is no problem with gamestop. There are people out there who are going to make big story out of this when ps5 releases. You will seemany stupid people asking for refund because of this.
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Yep, if Sony or any other publisher doesn't explain this situation very well, I can see pissed soccer moms complaining about a promised free upgrade they couldn't have because they didn't know the cheaper console model they bought for little Timmy wouldn't allow it.
 
Anyway, a disclaimer from Sony would work.

You will have to buy disc version of game for PS4 if you are purchasing the PS5 console with UHD drive. If you buy digital version of the game it will upgrade on either PS5 version.

This wont be too big of a problem. Ill still have a PRO hooked up on a different TV for a while. Ive bought half digi and half disc. I know either way its not going to be a problem on my end.
 
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i bring more suspense to the photo discussed :)

check this out!

Same factory it seems



So it can be PS5, its can a prototype, its can be PSX, its be whatever you want it to be! :D
 
Neo Blaster said:
Yep, if Sony or any other publisher doesn't explain this situation very well, I can see pissed soccer moms complaining about a promised free upgrade they couldn't have because they didn't know the cheaper console model they bought for little Timmy wouldn't allow it.
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It allows it, obviously there is no disc slot to put the disc in though. It's like trying to jam a VHS into a DVD drive and wondering why it isn't fitting.
 
Fatez said:
i bring more suspense to the photo discussed :)

check this out!

Same factory it seems



So it can be PS5, its can a prototype, its can be PSX, its be whatever you want it to be! :D
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Thats on Sony factory Manaos, in brazil. Color green seems to be common in electronic factories.
 
Codeblew said:
It isn't irrelevant. It allows the ability to get 5-15% more compression when using BC7 textures. The downside, like you pointed out, is that the GPU needs to decode it.

I don't think they would be wasting their time working on the decode shaders if they expected nobody to use it.

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I'm only going by what the people that made it were divulging on Twitter. It was the oldest part of the project and a fall back if the RDO encoding didn't perform well enough, which it did.
The BC7Prep tool and pathway has a use, but it's unlikely to be selected over Oodle Texture created BC7 textures getting decompressed natively on the Kraken decompressor.
 
I know there's a lot we don't know about the PS5 yet hardware-wise, but something I would really like and something that will blow my mind is if Sony announces PS5 is capable of hardware-accelerated physics.
 
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3liteDragon said:
I know there's a lot we don't know about the PS5 yet hardware-wise, but something I would really like and something that will blow my mind is if Sony announces PS5 is capable of hardware-accelerated physics.
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I need something new from Xbox and Sony, I love the SSD approach with Sony because is something at least different, these are machines that will last 6-7 years, I need to hear that for this past 7 years they weren't just waiting to AMD finish their new architecture. I know they both did some customizations for their RDNA2 silicones, but yet... I really wish there is more to come.
 
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3liteDragon said:
I know there's a lot we don't know about the PS5 yet hardware-wise, but something I would really like and something that will blow my mind is if Sony announces PS5 is capable of hardware-accelerated physics.
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I would love to play game that you can destroy all scenario.
But I don't think PS5 has that (Hardware Accelerate Physics) because if the console had it, Cerny probably would have talked, in The Road to PS5. Our only hope is Matt who says we have a lot that we don't know.

But if I am not wrong, Physics is handled by CPU and PS5 have a super CPU compared to PS4 Jaguar, Zen 2 Cores is powerful enough to handle all kind of Physics I think. The UE5 has Chaos Physics system and is treated as a NextGen technology so I think we don't need to worry so much about this.
 
TwistedSyn said:
Man that's some click bait right there. We don't even know the prices yet. Also one console won't have any next gen exclusives for almost TWO YEARS, while the other is at the start.
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Here's why I won't buy Xbox? Games like recore, Crackdown is trash, halo and gears are stale and generic and even though ppl think Hellblade is a godsend first one was 81 meta which is good but tht was very restrictive and repetitive. Not top tier at all.
 
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Gamernyc78 said:
Here's why I won't buy Xbox? Games lol fuck recore 3, Crackdown is trash, halo and gears are stale and generic and even though ppl thing Hellblade is a godsend first was was 81 meta tht was very restrictive and repetitive. Not top tier at all.
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That's unfortunate. Microsoft is positioning themselves to have quite an impressive arrangement of first party titles.
 
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