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[Bo_Hazem]

Apple has been doing this. Start with soc in phones and bump it up in their next ipad.

Series X soc design seems like MS has the same idea.

No need for that, they can plant more CU's and cores when 5-3nm is available on the same die . Such design would only cost them lots of wasted money.

 

[thurnishaleygw]

I think we are blowing a little bit out of proportion the whole xCloud and cross-gen scenario. The way I see it, it's quite simple, MS is aware that challenging Sony on the basis of Hardware and Software sales, given the current gen, is going to be an uphill battle, so they shifted their focus towards providing services on an ecosystem that makes playing easy at many different levels.

Is that strategy good or bad? Honestly, the point is if you find it appealing. I personally don't, I basically want great games that push forward the medium, that are centered around strong narrative and that have a certain gravitas to them, when it comes to their potential impact as media content. And, right now, for me Sony is way ahead in that regard.

And still, I wanna see the games Xbox has to offer, and I'm buying a Series X to experience the games they deliver, 'cause surely they're going to deliver good ones.

I've stated this before, and I have no issue admitting it, PlayStation has been my main console for around 24 years, but I certainly think that Xbox doing something different is not inherently bad, just different. And again, at the end of the day all that matters is if you like the proposal. If you don't, PS5 is there for you, and vice versa.

 

[Neo Blaster]

Looks like Phil reset the clock

Gotta keep including everybody, you know.

 

[longdi]

I think we are blowing a little bit out of proportion the whole xCloud and cross-gen scenario. The way I see it, it's quite simple, MS is aware that challenging Sony on the basis of Hardware and Software sales, given the current gen, is going to be an uphill battle, so they shifted their focus towards providing services on an ecosystem that makes playing easy at many different levels.

Is that strategy good or bad? Honestly, the point is if you find it appealing. I personally don't, I basically want great games that push forward the medium, that are centered around strong narrative and that have a certain gravitas to them, when it comes to their potential impact as media content. And, right now, for me Sony is way ahead in that regard.

And still, I wanna see the games Xbox has to offer, and I'm buying a Series X to experience the games they deliver, 'cause surely they're going to deliver good ones.

I've stated this before, and I have no issue admitting it, PlayStation has been my main console for around 24 years, but I certainly think that Xbox doing something different is not inherently bad, just different. And again, at the end of the day all that matters is if you like the proposal. If you don't, PS5 is there for you, and vice versa.

I will say every generation starts with cross-gen. And the more costly games takes to produce, the longer cross-gen'ing lasts.

MS is just making the best of the tide and riding to [V]ictory.

 

[Metroiddarks]

LoL are you for real? Sorry but no. In my previous post I have literally copy and pasted Jason Ronald own words from his article (but without BB code) and you are still saying I'm interpreting what he said with my own words. When it comes James Stanard tweet I have posted it without adding much besids what he already said (without any interpretation on my own).

Please dont even bother responding to my posts because you are trolling, and I dont want to listen to your own interpretations. Like I have said before, you are just random dude to me and I will rather trust Jason Ronald.

I am not trolling I basically explain each part of the argument while I give you proof of each of these.

Maybe you don't want to read what I wrote like child throwing a tantrum, but this random dude knows of
this topic more than you and at least is able to explain a feature without start a console war, sorry maybe the
next time you find a random guy who never use a game engine and there you can win the argument.

Exist things related to new consoles where I can say I am not sure (RT performance) or even I don't know (price)
and others we are I am sure of what I am talking about like this one for example.

 

[thurnishaleygw]

I will say every generation starts with cross-gen. And the more costly games takes to produce, the longer cross-gen'ing lasts.

MS is just making the best of the tide and riding to [V]ictory.

I was referring mainly to the MS first party approach when talking about cross gen.

And that second phrase, well, is the kind of generic fanboy comment that makes me cringe. The victory should be us having new great games to play, not a company's numbers. But if that's what you're looking for, more power to you, by all means.

 

[PSX]

"We won't force you to upgrade to Xbox Series X at launch to play Xbox exclusives."

translation: I just want to let you know guys we don't have anything to offer at lunch.

Thank you Phil for clarifying I don't need XSX at lunch.

in reality I got PS5 & "PC" to play halo infinite at lunch so I am good.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Oh you're right! OMG!

It's 100GB/s, stacked by the 2.5x multiplier, which means 250GB/s!

/s, in case it wasn't obvious

 

[TheCrimsnFuckr]

Microsoft's repeated emphasis on backwards compatibility is extremely suspicious. I can maybe understand wanting to revisit Gen 6, since there were still a few drops of creativity and originality to be wrung out of the industry during that period, but what does Gen 7 have going on that's worth anyone's time?

By the time that era rolled around there were only like 5 different kinds of game left and you've been getting a new version of them every single year. It's not like this thing plays Game Cube or Dreamcast games. What kind of cultural pedigree does XBOX have outside the trailer park that could motivate any interest in it's "classic" back catolog?

It's good PR and it helps keep gamers in the eco-system. Also, if people bought a good amount of digital 360 games and then upgraded to PS4 instead, on Series X they will be able to play a lot of those digital 360 games again with no problem. Also, since all games are available in the online store (barring them being de-listed since then) it's more games available to buy on the system which is always a plus.

There's also the additional fact that nostalgia is a hell of a drug, just look at how many people have been clamoring for remasters of Fallout 3, New Vegas, The Mass Effect Trilogy, older COD games and various other games. Being able to see many older 360 games still available for sale being listed for both 360 and Xbox One is a pretty powerful asset, and as nostalgia grows for that generation's games, it will only be more advantageous

 

[Sethbacca]

I'm pulling this straight out my ass, but I feel like we'll see PS5 price and preorders within a day either way of the XBox show next week to pull the wind out of their sails. We're in the home stretch so it feels like the marketing engines are getting started. So it wouldn't surprise me.

 

[TheCrimsnFuckr]

"We won't force you to upgrade to Xbox Series X at launch to play Xbox exclusives."

translation: I just want to let you know guys we don't have anything to offer at lunch.

Thank you Phil for clarifying I don't need XSX at lunch.

in reality I got PS5 & "PC" to play halo infinite at lunch so I am good.

I mean, that's kind of the point... if you are playing the game on PC you're still in their eco-system and still giving them money. Xbox is no longer just the console, it's their entire gaming division

 

[Neo Blaster]

You don't do that with a system that costs over 500$.

Hoping we are not seeing another rise of arrogant Sony, thinking people will buy their system no matter the price, even during an economic crysis.

 

[Great Hair]

ps4 pro claimed 4k gaming ... failed
NOUFAILED

xbox one x claimed 4k gaming ... has many true 4k games quite a few at 60 fps
xbox claimed xbox one x worlds most powerful console .. it was
NOSHITSHERLOCK
#1YEARLATER

1. A Plague Tale: Innocence (PS4)
2. ANTHEM (PS4)
3. Assassin's Creed Odyssey (PS4)
4. Assassin's Creed Origins (PS4)
5. Assassin's Creed Rogue Remastered (PS4)
6. Assassin's Creed Syndicate (PS4)
7. Assassin's Creed Valhalla (PS5)
8. Assassin's Creed: The Ezio Collection (PS4)
9. Battleborn (PS4)
10. Battlefield V (PS4)
11. Blair Witch (PS4)
12. Borderlands 3 (PS4)
13. Borderlands: Game of the Year Edition (PS4)
14. Bound (PS4)
15. Bulletstorm: Full Clip Edition (PS4)
16. Burly Men At Sea (PS4)
17. Burnout Paradise Remastered (PS4)
18. Call of Duty: Black Ops 4 (PS4)
19. Call of Duty: Black Ops III (PS4)
20. Call of Duty: Infinite Warfare (PS4)
21. Call of Duty: Modern Warfare (PS4)
22. Call of Duty: Modern Warfare Remastered (PS4)
23. Concrete Genie (PS4)
24. Control (PS4)
25. Crash Bandicoot N. Sane Trilogy (PS4)
26. Dark Souls Remastered (PS4)
27. Darksiders III (PS4)
28. Days Gone (PS4)
29. Death Stranding (PS4)
30. Destiny 2 (PS4)
31. Detroit: Become Human (PS4)
32. Deus Ex: Mankind Divided (PS4)
33. Devil May Cry 5 (PS4)
34. Diablo III: Reaper of Souls - Ultimate Evil Edition (PS4)
35. DiRT Rally 2.0 (PS4)
36. Dishonored 2 (PS4)
37. Dishonored: Death of the Outsider (PS4)
38. Dragon's Crown Pro (PS4)
39. F1 2017 (PS4)
40. Far Cry 5 (PS4)
41. Far Cry: New Dawn (PS4)
42. Farming Simulator 17 (PS4)
43. FIFA 17 (PS4)
44. FIFA 18 (PS4)
45. FIFA 19 (PS4)
46. FIFA 20 (PS4)
47. Final Fantasy XV (PS4)
48. Firewatch (PS4)
49. For Honor (PS4)
50. Forma.8 (PS4)
51. Futuridium EP Deluxe (PS4)
52. Get Even (PS4)
53. God of War (PS4)
54. Gran Turismo Sport (PS4)
55. GreedFall (PS4)
56. Hatsune Miku: Project Diva X (PS4)
57. Helldivers (PS4)
58. Hitman 2 (PS4)
59. Horizon Zero Dawn (PS4)
60. Hustle Kings (PS4)
61. inFAMOUS: First Light (PS4)
62. inFAMOUS: Second Son (PS4)
63. Just Cause 4 (PS4)
64. Killing Floor 2 (PS4)
65. Kingdom Hearts HD 1.5 + 2.5 Remix (PS4)
66. Kingdom Hearts III (PS4)
67. L.A. Noire (PS4)
68. Life Is Strange: Before the Storm - Episode 1: Awake (PS4)
69. Life Is Strange: Before the Storm - Episode 2: Brave New World (PS4)
70. Life Is Strange: Before the Storm - Episode 3: Hell Is Empty (PS4)
71. LocoRoco 2 Remastered (PS4)
72. LocoRoco Remastered (PS4)
73. Madden NFL 18 (PS4)
74. Madden NFL 19 (PS4)
75. Madden NFL 20 (PS4)
76. Mafia III (PS4)
77. Mantis Burn Racing (PS4)
78. Marvel's Spider-Man (PS4)
79. Mass Effect: Andromeda (PS4)
80. MediEvil (PS4)
81. Metro: Exodus (PS4)
82. Middle-earth: Shadow of Mordor (PS4)
83. MLB The Show 19 (PS4)
84. MLB The Show 20 (PS4)
85. Mortal Kombat 11 (PS4)
86. NBA 2K17 (PS4)
87. NBA 2K18 (PS4)
88. NBA 2K19 (PS4)
89. NBA 2K20 (PS4)
90. Neon Chrome (PS4)
91. Ni no Kuni II: Revenant Kingdom (PS4)
92. Nioh (PS4)
93. Nioh 2 (PS4)
94. Onrush (PS4)
95. Paladins (PS4)
96. PaRappa the Rapper Remastered (PS4)
97. Patapon 2 Remastered (PS4)
98. Patapon Remastered (PS4)
99. PES 2017: Pro Evolution Soccer (PS4)
100. PES 2018: Pro Evolution Soccer (PS4)
101. PlayerUnknown's Battlegrounds (PS4)
102. Pyre (PS4)
103. Railway Empire (PS4)
104. Red Dead Redemption 2 (PS4)
105. Resident Evil 2 (PS4)
106. Resident Evil 3 (PS4)
107. Resident Evil 7: Biohazard (PS4)
108. Rez Infinite (PS4)
109. RIDE 2 (PS4)
110. Rise of the Tomb Raider (PS4)
111. Rocket League (PS4)
112. Secret of Mana (PS4)
113. Sekiro: Shadows Die Twice (PS4)
114. Shadow of the Tomb Raider (PS4)
115. Sine Mora EX (PS4)
116. SMITE (PS4)
117. Sonic Mania (PS4)
118. Spyro: Reignited Trilogy (PS4)
119. Star Ocean: The Last Hope (PS4)
120. Tempest 4000 (PS4)
121. Tennis World Tour (PS4)
122. Tethered (PS4)
123. Tetris Effect (PS4)
124. The Dark Pictures Anthology: Man of Medan (PS4)
125. The Division 2 (PS4)
126. The Elder Scrolls Online: Tamriel Unlimited (PS4)
127. The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim - Special Edition (PS4)
128. The Incredible Adventures of Van Helsing II (PS4)
129. The Last Guardian (PS4)
130. The Last of Us Remastered (PS4)
131. The Last of Us: Left Behind (PS3)
132. The Last of Us: Part II (PS4)
133. The Outer Worlds (PS4)
134. The Surge (PS4)
135. The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt (PS4)
136. The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt - Blood and Wine (PS4)
137. The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt - Hearts of Stone (PS4)
138. The Witness (PS4)
139. Thumper (PS4)
140. Tom Clancy's The Division (PS4)
141. Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 1 + 2 (PS4)
142. Uncharted 4: A Thief's End (PS4)
143. Uncharted: The Lost Legacy (PS4)
144. Viking Squad (PS4)
145. We Happy Few (PS4)
146. Wheels of Aurelia (PS4)
147. WipEout Omega Collection (PS4)
148. Wolfenstein: Youngblood (PS4)
149. World of Tanks (PS4)

Seems a nice, decent list of F4K? Bet both have about the same real 4K, maybe one or two or three more on the XBX. Woooaaaah!

Xbox One X enhanced: 347 : 2 = 170+ slighly more
most of which consist of enhanced titles, 360 games and indies

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A Plague Tale: Innocence A Way Out A Winter's Daydream (4K) Aaero (4K) Absolver (4K) Achtung! Cthulu Tactics (4K) Active Neurons - Puzzle game ADIOS Amigos (4K) Aery - Little Bird Adventure Aery Aftercharge Age of Wonders: Planetfall (4K) Agent A: A puzzle in disguise (4K) Agents of Mayhem Ages of Mages: The Last Keeper Ailment Airheart - Tales of broken Wings (4K, HDR) AlienCruise (4K) Alluris (4K, HDR) Almost There: The Platformer (4K) Alteric (4K) American Fugitive (4K) Ancestors Legacy (4K) Animal Friends Adventure Another Sight (4K) Anthem (4K, HDR) AO Tennis (4K, HDR) AO Tennis 2 Apex Legends Ara Fell: Enhanced Edition Arcade Spirits ARK: Survival Evolved Ash of Gods: Redemption Ashen (4K) Ashes Cricket (4K, HDR) Assassin's Creed III Remastered (4K, HDR) Assassin's Creed Odyssey (4K, HDR) Assassin's Creed Rogue Remastered (4K) Assassin's Creed: Origins (4K, HDR) Assault Android Cactus (4K) Astroneer (4K) Attack on Titan 2 Away: Journey to the Unexpected (4K) Awesome Pea (4K)

B

Bad North (4K) Baron: Fur is Gonna Fly Batman: Return to Arkham - Arkham Asylum Batman: Return to Arkham - Arkham City Battlefield 1 (4K, HDR) Battlefield V (4K, HDR) Battle Chasers: Nightwar (4K) Battlezone Gold Edition (4K, HDR) Bayonetta Bee Simulator (4K, HDR) Below (4K) Bendy and the Ink Machine (4K) Big Bash Boom (4K) Big Crown: Showdown Black Desert Online (4K, HDR) BLACK PARADOX (4K, HDR) Blair Witch (4K, HDR) Blast Zone! Tournament (4K) Bless Unleashed (4K, HDR) Blinx: The Time Sweeper Bomber Crew (4K) Bombfest (4K, HDR) Borderlands: Game of the Year Edition (4K, HDR) Braveland Trilogy Brawlhalla (4K) Brawlout Brief Battles Burnout Paradise Remastered (4K) Bucket Knight

C

Call of Cthulu Call of Duty: Black Ops 4 (4K, HDR) Call of Duty: Infinite Warfare (4K) Call of Duty: Modern Warfare Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 Campaign Remastered Call of Duty: WWII (4K, HDR) Cardpocalypse Caretaker Game (4K) Casey Powell Lacrosse 18 (4K, HDR)- CAN ANDROIDS PRAY: BLUE CAN ANDROIDS PRAY: BLUE Candleman (4K) Chess Ultra (4K, HDR) Cities: Skylines (4K) City of Brass (4K, HDR) Classic Snake Adventures Claws of Furry (4K, HDR) Claybook (4K) CODE VEIN Conan Exiles (4K) Conarium Construction Simulator 2 CONTRA: ROGUE CORPS (4K, HDR)- Crackdown 3 (4K, HDR) Crash Bandicoot N.Sane Trilogy (4K, HDR) Crash Team Racing Nitro-Fueled (4K, HDR) Crashbots (4K) Crayola Scoot Creepy Road Cricket 19 (4K, HDR) Crossout (4K) Cuisine Royale Cyber Protocol

D

Danger Zone (4K) Danger Zone 2 Dangerous Driving Dark Souls: Remastered Darksiders Genesis Darksiders III (4K, HDR) Darksiders Warmastered Edition (4K) Darwin Project Dauntless DayZ (4K) DCL: The Game DEAD OR ALIVE 6 (4K, HDR) Dead Rising 4 Debris Infinity (4K) Deep Ones (4K) Deep Rock Galactic Deliver Us The Moon Demon Pit Descenders Destiny 2 (4K, HDR) Devil May Cry 5 (4K, HDR) Diablo III: Reaper of Souls - Ultimate Evil Edition (4K) DiRT Rally 2.0 (4K, HDR) Dishonored 2 (4K) Dishonored: Death of the Outsider (4K) Disintegration Disneyland Adventures (4K, HDR) Divinity: Original Sin 2 - Definitive Edition (4K, HDR) Donut County (4K, HDR) Doodle God: Crime City (4K) DOOM (4K) DOOM 3 (4K) DOOM 64 Doom Eternal Doug Hates His Job Dovetail Games Euro Fishing (4K) DRAGON BALL FIGHTERZ Dragon Ball Z: Kakarot Dragons: Dawn of New Riders (4K) Draugen Dread Nautical Dreamwalker: Never Fall Asleep Drunk-Fu: Wasted Masters (4K) Duck Life: Battle (4K) Dynasty Warriors 9

E

Earthfall (4K) Elea Element Space Elex Elite Dangerous (4K) Endless Fables: Dark Moor Energy Cycle Edge (4K) Enigmatis 3: The Shadow of Karkhala (4K) Eternal Card Game (4K) Evan's Remains Eventide 3: Legacy of Legends (4K) EVERSPACE Evoland Legendary Edition

F

F1 2017 (4K, HDR) F1 2018 (4K, HDR) Fallout 4 (4K) Fallout 76 (4K, HDR) Far Cry 3 Classic Edition Far Cry 5 (4K, HDR) Far Cry New Dawn (4K, HDR) Farm Together Farming Simulator 17 (4K) Farming Simulator 19 Fe (4K) FIFA 18 (4K, HDR) FIFA 19 (4K, HDR) Final Fantasy X/X-2 HD Remaster (4K) Final Fantasy XII The Zodiac Age Final Fantasy XV (4K, HDR) FINAL FANTASY XV: COMRADES (4K, HDR) Final Star (4K) Fishing Planet (4K) For Honor (4K) For The King (4K) Formula Retro Racing Forsaken Remastered (4K) Fortnite (4K) Forza Horizon 3 (4K, HDR) Forza Horizon 4 (4K, HDR) Forza Motorsport 7 (4K, HDR) Freediving Hunter: Spearfishing the World Fury Unleashed

G

Galaxy Control: Arena Gears 5 (4K, HDR) Gears of War 4 (4K, HDR) Gene Rain (4K) Generation Zero Ghostbusters: The Video Game Remastered (4K) Ghost Files: Memory of a Crime Ghost of a Tale Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon Breakpoint Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon: Wildlands (4K, HDR) Glass Masquerade 2: Illusions Goat Simulator (4K) GoatPunks (4K) God's Trigger Golem Gates (4K) Gorogoa (4K) Grab the Bottle (4K) Grass Cutter - Mutated Lawns (4K) Gravel GreedFall GRID (4K, HDR) GRIDD: Retroenhanced (4K, HDR) Grim Legends 3: The Dark City (4K) GRIP (4K, HDR) Guacamelee! 2 Guilt Battle Arena (4K)

H

Halo 5: Guardians (4K) Halo Wars 2 (4K, HDR) Halo: The Master Chief Collection (4K, HDR) Hand of Fate 2 (4K) Hard West Ultimate Edition Hellblade: Senua's Sacrifice (4K, HDR) Hello Neighbor (4K) Hero Express (4K) Hexologic (4K) Hitman (4K, HDR) Hitman 2 (4K, HDR) HITMAN Sniper Assassin Hitman: Absolution HD Hitman: Blood Money HD (4K) Hive Jump (4K) Homefront: The Revolution (4K) Horizon Chase Turbo (4K) HORROR OF THE DEEP Hotline Miami Collection Hover (4K, HDR) Hovership Havoc Hunt: Showdown (4K) Huntdown Hunter: The Reckoning Hyper Jam (4K) Hyper Sentinel (4K) Hyper Universe (4K, HDR) HyperDot

I

Immortal Redneck (4K) Immortal: Unchained (4K, HDR) Infliction Initial2: New Stage (4K) Injustice 2 Insane Robots Ion Fury It came from space and ate our brains The Invisible Hours (4K, HDR) Irony Curtain: From Matryoshka with Love (4K)

J

Jagged Alliance: Rage! (4K) Jettomero: Hero of the Universe (4K) Jumanji: The Video Game Jump Force (4K, HDR) Jurassic World Evolution (4K, HDR) Just Cause 4

K

Keep Talking and Nobody Explodes (4K) Kentucky Route Zero: TV Edition Killer Instinct (4K) Killing Floor 2 (1800p) Kingdom Come: Deliverance KINGDOM HEARTS - HD 1.5+2.5 ReMIX KINGDOM HEARTS HD 2.8 Final Chapter Prologue Kingdom Hearts III Kingdom: Two Crowns (4K) Kingmaker: Rise to the Throne (4K) Kine (4K)

L

L.A. Noire (4K, HDR) Lego DC Super-Villains Lego Marvel Super Heroes 2 Lego Harry Potter Collection (4K) The LEGO Movie 2 Videogame Life is Strange: Before the Storm (4K) Life is Strange 2 Little Misfortune Lonely Mountains: Downhill LUMINES REMASTERED

M

Madden NFL 18 (4K, HDR) Madden NFL 19 (4K, HDR) Madden NFL 20 (4K, HDR) Mafia II: Definitive Edition Mafia III (4K, HDR) Mantis Burn Racing (4K, HDR) Marble Void Mark of the Ninja: Remastered (4K) Marvel vs. Capcom: Infinite Mass Effect: Andromeda Masters of Anima Maximum Football 2019 Mecho Tales Mega Man 11 (4K) Megaton Rainfall (4K) Memories of Mars Meow Motors (4K) Mercenaries: Playground of Destruction METAL GEAR SURVIVE Metal Wolf Chaos XD (4K) Metro: Exodus (4K, HDR) Metropolis: Lux Obscura (4K) Middle-earth: Shadow of War (4K, HDR) Minesweeper Genius (4K) Mining Rail Minion Masters (4K) Modern Tales: Age of Invention (4K) Molecats (4K, HDR) Monster Energy Supercross: The Official Videogame 2 Monster Energy Supercross - The Official Videogame 3 Monster Hunter: World Monster Jam Steel Titans Morphite (4K) Mortal Kombat 11 Mosaic MOTHERGUNSHIP MotoGP 18 MotoGP 19 MotoGP 20 Moving Out Murder Miners Music Racer Mutant Year Zero: Road to Eden MX vs ATV All Out (4K) MXGP Pro My Brother Rabbit (4K) My Little Riding Champion (4K)

N

Narcos: Rise of the Cartels Natsuki Chronicles NBA 2K18 (4K, HDR) NBA 2K19 (4K, HDR) NBA 2K20 (4K, HDR) NBA Live 18 (4K) NBA Live 19 (4K) Need For Speed: Payback Neon Chrome Neonwall (4K) NeuroBloxs (4K) Neverout (4K) Newt One (4K, HDR) NieR:Automata BECOME AS GODS Edition Nightmares from the Deep 3: Davy Jones (4K) Nine Parchments (4K) NHL 18 (4K) NHL 19 (4K) NHL 20 (4K) NORTH (4K) No Man's Sky (4K, HDR) Noir Chronicles: City of Crime (4K, HDR)

O

Obduction Obey Me Okami HD (4K) Omensight (4K) On A Roll 3D (4K) One Eyed Kutkh (4K) One Piece World Seeker (4K, HDR) ONE PIECE: PIRATE WARRIORS 4 One Punch Man: A Hero Nobody Knows ONRUSH (4K, HDR) Operencia: The Stolen Sun Ori and the Will of the Wisps Outbreak The Nightmare Chronicles (4K) Outlast 2 (4K) Outward (4K) Override: Mech City Brawl Overwatch (4K) OVIVO (4K)

P

Paladins Paperbound Brawlers Party Arcade (4K) Party Golf (4K) Party Jousting (4K) Path of Exile (4K) PAWARUMI (4K) PBA Pro Bowling (4K) Persian Nights: Sands of Wonders (4K) PING REDUX (4K, HDR) Pirates of First Star (4K, HDR) PixARK Planet Alpha (4K) Planet RIX-13 (4K) Plants vs. Zombies: Battle for Neighborville (4K, HDR) PlayerUnknown's Battlegrounds (4K, HDR) Please, Don't Touch Anything (4K) Police Chase (4K) PONG Quest Portal Knights (4K) Potata: fairy flower Prey Pro Evolution Soccer 2018 Pro Evolution Soccer 2019 (4K, HDR) Project Cars 2

Q

Q.U.B.E. 2 Quantum Break Queen's Quest 2: Stories of Forgotten Past (4K) Queen's Quest 3: The End of Dawn (4K) Queen's Quest 4: Sacred Truce (4K) Quest Hunter

R

RAD RAGE 2 Railway Empire (4K, HDR) Rainbow Six Siege Real Farm Realm Royale (4K) ReCore: Definitive Edition Red Dead Redemption 2 (4K, HDR) Red Faction Guerilla Re-Mars-tered Redeemer: Enhanced Edition (4K) Redout: Lightspeed Edition (4K) Remothered: Tormented Fathers (4K, HDR) Resident Evil 2 (4K, HDR) Resident Evil 3 RESIDENT EVIL 7 biohazard (4K, HDR) Resident Evil Resistance Retro Tanks Return of the Obra Dinn (4K) RIDE 3 Rift Keeper Rigid Force Redux Rise of the Tomb Raider (4K, HDR) Riverbond Robocraft Infinity (4K) Rocket League (4K, HDR) Roundguard Rugby 18 Rush: A Disney Pixar Adventure (4K, HDR)

S

Saints Row: The Third Remastered SAMURAI SHODOWN (4K) Sayonara Wild Hearts Scarlett Mysteries: Cursed Child Sea of Solitude (4K) Sea of Thieves (4K, HDR) Sekiro: Shadows Die Twice Shadow Fencer Theatre (4K, HDR) Shadow of the Tomb Raider (4K, HDR) Shape of the World ShellShock Live Shift Quantum Shining Resonance Refrain (4K) Sid Meier's Civilization VI Sigi - A Fart for Melusina (4K) SiNKR Slime Rancher (4K) SMITE Smoke And Sacrifice (4K) Snake Pass (4K, HDR) Sniper Elite V2 Remastered (4K, HDR) Snooker 19: The Official Video Game Snooker Nation Championship (4K, HDR) SnowRunner Sonic Forces Sonic Mania (4K) SOULCALIBUR VI Spaceland Space Hulk: Tactics Spacelords Speed Brawl (4K) Spike Volleyball (4K) Spintires: MudRunner (4K) Spiral Splatter (4K) Spyro Reignited Trilogy STAB STAB STAB! Star Wars Battlefront II Star Wars Jedi: Fallen Order Starlink: Battle for Atlas Starpoint Gemini Warlords (4K) State of Anarchy: Master of Mayhem (4K) State of Decay 2 (4K, HDR) Steamroll (4K) Steep STELLATUM (4K) Stela (4K) Streets of Rogue (4K) Stories: The Path of Destinies (4K) Storm Boy (4K) Strange Brigade (4K, HDR) Subnautica Sudden Strike 4 – European Battlefields Edition Super Dodgeball Beats Super Lucky's Tale (4K) Super Mega Baseball 2 Super Night Riders (4K) Super Pixel Racers (4K) Super Star Blast (4K) Super Street: The Game (4K) Supermarket Shriek (4K) Surviving Mars (4K) Sword Art Online: Fatal Bullet

T

Tacoma (4K) Tcheco in the Castle of Lucio Team Sonic Racing (4K) Tesla vs Lovecraft Tempest 4000 (4K) The Awesome Adventures of Captain Spirit (4K) The Bard's Tale IV: Director's Cut The Bradwell Conspiracy The Church in the Darkness (4K) The Crew 2 (4K) Tom Clancy's The Division (4K) Tom Clancy's The Division 2 (4K, HDR) The Dark Pictures Anthology: Man Of Medan (4K, HDR) The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim - Special Edition (4K) The Elder Scrolls Online (4K, HDR) The Evil Within 2 (4K, HDR) The Fall Part 2: Unbound (4K) The First Tree The Forbidden Arts (4K, HDR) The Golf Club 2019 featuring the PGA TOUR (4K) The Incredible Adventures of Van Helsing III (4K) The Inner Friend The Jackbox Party Pack 6 (4K) The Mooseman (4K) The Occupation (4K) The Outer Worlds (4K) The Secret Order: Shadow Breach The Sims 4 The Spectrum Retreat The Surge The Surge 2 The Talos Principle (4K) The Vanishing of Ethan Carter The Walking Dead: The Final Season (4K, HDR) The Walking Dead: The Telltale Definitive Series (4K, HDR) The Witcher III: Wild Hunt (4K, HDR) theHunter: Call of the Wild This is the Police 2 (4K) Thumper (4K) Timberman VS Titan Quest (4K) Titanfall 2 (4K) Tokyo Warfare Turbo Torchlight II (4K) Townsmen - A Kingdom Rebuilt Trailmakers Train Sim World Transcripted Treasure Stack (4K) Trials Rising (4K) TT Isle of Man (4K) Two Point Hospital Tyd wag vir Niemand (4K)

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UFC 3 Uncharted Tides: Port Royal Undead Horde (4K) Unravel Two (4K) Unruly Heroes (4K, HDR) Untitled Goose Game

V

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X

X-Morph: Defense (4K) XCOM 2 Xenon Racer (4K)

Y

Yakuza 0 Yakuza Kiwami Yet Another Zombie Defense HD

Z

Zoo Tycoon: Ultimate Animal Collection (4K, HDR)

 

[Larvana]

"We won't force you to upgrade to Xbox Series X at launch to play Xbox exclusives."

translation: I just want to let you know guys we don't have anything to offer at lunch.

Thank you Phil for clarifying I don't need XSX at lunch.

in reality I got PS5 & "PC" to play halo infinite at lunch so I am good.

My gosh, lol. Translation; you weren't getting one in the first place.
Thanks for clarifying you just want attention though.

 

[pawel86ck]

The we can call it a tie, because Xbox fans doubt everything Cerny says and totally believe the Xbox guy.

Fair enough, I'm tired of this war so I can offer truce to all of you PS fans but my terms are as fallows
- you guys must accept both consoles are equall and will offer similar gaming experience
- I dont want to read from any of you guys PS5 games will look like next gen compared to XSX without any evidence to support such bold claim.

 

[PSX]

My gosh, lol. Translation; you weren't getting one in the first place.
Thanks for clarifying you just want attention though.

It's really about games to me I ditched xbox one because of the lacking of exclusives that interest me, PS brand never disappointed me since PS1 nintendo in other hand they had games that I really enjoy new and old brought back resmaster, remake etc. but that's what frustrating me with MS brand they lie not once more than than once it's sad to see people still falls for it.

 

[kensama]

Fair enough, I'm tired of this war so I can offer truce to all of you PS fans but my terms are as fallows

- you guys must accept both consoles are equall and will offer similar gaming experience

But who doesn't accept this? When we speculate (and this thread is here for that) that with all the hardware optimization of the PS5 it could be on par with XSX, you have a horde of MS fanboy slapping us in face 12 Tf, VA, Mesh sahder and etc...

- I dont want to read from any of you guys PS5 games will look like next gen compared to XSX without any evidence to support such bold claim.

That's pure fact for now (till 23rd july) cause first event of gameplay for XSX game was weird and awful (no gameplay at all and indie games with poor graphics) when on the other side you have game like Ratchet, Spiderman, Horizon 2, GT7, etc...

 

[PaintTinJr]

What people are not understanding about SFS:

1) The 1/3 of the texture is not always, is not a standard, not every texture can be cut before putting it inside the GPU. For context, I will leave the comment directly from the Xbox page as you can see this will vary game to game, and things like enemies textures because the enemies can move very quickly will need to be stored immediately in the GPU, because in those cases you will always use the 100% of the texture, compared to other objects that because of the distance or because they are big and static you don't need the whole texture than you can use 1/3 of the texture data.

"Through specialized hardware added to the Xbox One X, we were able to analyze texture memory usage by the GPU and we discovered that the GPU often accesses less than 1/3 of the texture data required to be loaded in memory."

This is the reason why the 12GB is just a stupid thing to say, first, the 1/3 MULTIPLIER is different per texture, for many textures you still need the 100%, for other 80%, for others, 59%, etc, etc. So the multiplier for each one of those will vary, 2.5x, 1.5, 1x

2) SFS has something like LOD for textures, this will help to improve loading times, but I do not expect things like fast travel to be able to be used with this, because this has the same disadvantages of LOD if the user is going to fast than the user will see the popping of the new "texture" with more resolution while is moving fast through the world.

"Game textures are optimized at differing levels of detail and resolution, called mipmaps, and can be used during rendering based on how close or far away an object is from the player."


Finally,

- The 2.5X is applied after the theoretical maximum of 6GB/s...
- Not every texture can use this tech, enemies, and things that move quickly in the scene will need to 100% of the texture because 100% of the texture is always used.
- We will need to wait until the final release to see how well this low-resolution textures work with fast movement, which is essentially what PS5 is trying to archive with its SSD as we saw in the SpiderMan demo.
- And now I have a question, does this 2.5 multiplier is the calculation between the low-resolution texture + the 1/3 parts of the texture that often needs to send to the GPU, or is just part of the 1/3 texture. The documentation is not very clear respecting that.

I'm 99.999% certain that the 2.5x can't be added after the theoretical 6GB/s, because they only get to that number by unziping the BCpack files to BCn files in memory.

*although as a side issue it seems (IMO but might be wrong) like that theoretical 6GB/s max comes from the mention of XsX decompression unit using 10% of a 3.8GHz core and a 128bit interface, either 4x32bit channels for the SSD or the asymmetric memory split (CPU only in this case, and has 6 channels at 32bit IIRC) so AVX2 256 bit copying on Zen2 might be affected and downgraded to 128bit when using the 6GB of CPU setup, rather than the new 256bit mode when using the 10GB. Either way, 3.8 x 0.1 x 128 /8 = 6.08GB/s which seems a bit too coincidental (IMO).

That is possibly the interesting point about SFS. It probably means they have to stream BCn (unzipped on the disk) directly to get that 2.5x on the 2.4GB/s (raw) or using BCpack, unzip in RAM (getting a different 2-3x benefit) and abandon steaming, to save on redundant texturing and shading. If the XsX uses the 6GB and 10GB as discrete pools like RAM and VRAM, then it could multiply (in comparison to PC RAM/VRAM) but that is already orders inferior to unified RAM that the PS5 setup has, and so isn't a benefit in context to the PS5 IO solution.

 

[MasterCornholio]

When you have a huge pre existing fanbase that blindly defends everything they do then yes,

That's just console warring at this point

If Sony were to screw up badly with the PS5 and charge a huge amount for it they will lose customers. That's why it's important for them to launch the system right at a good price.

They already had issues with a 599$ console in the past so they won't repeat that mistake again.

Truth is both consoles will cost around the same with the DE either matching the XSX or undercutting it. Probably the latter though since Sony did talk about transitioning people over quickly. It's impossible to do that with a really high price because theres a limit to what people will spend on a console.

 

[scie]

Microsoft to launch xCloud streaming free with Xbox Game Pass Ultimate in September

xCloud won’t be the final name for launch

www.theverge.com

 

[Fortuneelsewhere]

You call this PR shite? Creating the best possible console eco-system. Ok... Games are coming in exactly 1 week, I'm happy that they at least also keep pushing for getting the best possible value to customers. Sony has nothing that even comes close to this. If Microsoft delivers when it comes to games, they are so far ahead. But I agree that that's a big IF looking back at past-gen.

Man you'll be disappointed if you think they will show mindblowing games and graphics.. they will not.. they will show gameplay of crosgen games (hallo will be the main star, Forza also) running at 60 FPS, maybe some at 120 FPS and will sell that as the next gen differentiator... not graphics but responsiveness and felling.. you'll see..

Of course, is likely, they also show one or two trailers of "Engine footage" or "Xbox x representative" stuff to come in the future without date or further information that will be very impressive but likely just smoke & mirrors to impress their audience..

The main course will be underwhelming from graphics perspective... if not I'll be hear eating the crow as my main course

 

[IllegalLemon]

None of the idiots on there have any credibility, them talking shit is par for the course. The trouble is actually go to/reliable sites like IGN lapping and spreading the messaging as designated by the bosses. I mean look at this. Even some of the ardent fanboys will roll their eyes but it's all okay to them because Phil said so.

Dealer, ColtEastWood, TimDog and RandalThor have about as much credibility as Klobrille does. That's to say, absolute zero. They don't have insider sources at all and never did, their goal is to speak as positively about their plastic box of choice as they possibly can, this gives them attention and as a result they get invited to special Xbox events for free. They were never credible, but have a cult following that listens to every damn thing they say or preach, even if that something doesn't make any sense whatsoever. I wouldn't even give any attention to these clowns, they're not worth the effort. Colt blocked me on Twitter after I put him in his place. I'll assume the others have similar behavior patterns.

 

[Metroiddarks]

Here's a link where a Microsoft engineer specifically says they have texture filters on hardware. So Sampler Feedback Streaming is even better than Sampler Feedback (DX12 Ultimate feature) which on it's own is better than PRT (claimed here and also said by that engineer in the tweet.)

It's not confusing at all, only for people that are trying to deliberately question everything Microsoft is saying really...

SF contains two basic parts:

Sampler feedback is one feature with two distinct usage scenarios: streaming and texture-space shading.

Source the same document you shared.

And yes is the same API:

That is why is bad idea pretend to be an engineer or at least one competent as any should has the ability to read
the documentation from an API even if is not his area.

 

[Deleted member 775630]

Man you'll be disappointed if you think they will show mindblowing games and graphics.. they will not.. they will show gameplay of crosgen games (hallo will be the main star, Forza also) running at 60 FPS, maybe some at 120 FPS and will sell that as the next gen differentiator... not graphics but responsiveness and felling.. you'll see..

Of course, is likely, they also show one or two trailers of "Engine footage" or "Xbox x representative" stuff to come in the future without date or further information that will be very impressive but likely just smoke & mirrors to impress their audience..

The main course will be underwhelming from graphics perspective... if not I'll be hear eating the crow as my main course

1 more week, I've got pretty high hopes

 

[pawel86ck]

Kensama dont worry, I'm against violence so I'm not going to slap PS fans in the face even if 12TF will show it's power .

Well, these indie and third party games were indeed embarrassing, but that was to be expected, when the star of the show is AC game. I'm however sure MS first party studios will deliver.

 

[Metroiddarks]

I really miss the Xbox fans with good technical background not this :

Kensama dont worry, I'm against violence so I'm not going to slap PS fans in the face even if 12TF will show it's power .

Well, these indie and third party games were indeed embarrassing, but that was to be expected, when the star of the show is AC game. I'm however sure MS first party studios will deliver.

 

[Neo Blaster]

Die hard fanboys don't like it when the other company gives amazing value towards their consumers.

Quality games are the best value a console can offer, and MS is definitely lacking on that.

 

[pawel86ck]

Dealer, ColtEastWood, TimDog and RandalThor have about as much credibility as Klobrille does. That's to say, absolute zero. They don't have insider sources at all and never did, their goal is to speak as positively about their plastic box of choice as they possibly can, this gives them attention and as a result they get invited to special Xbox events for free. They were never credible, but have a cult following that listens to them every damn thing they say or preach, even if that something doesn't make any sense whatsoever. I wouldn't even give any attention to these clowns, they're not worth the effort. Colt blocked me on Twitter after I put him in his place. I'll assume the others have similar behavior patterns.

Dealer has very interesting guests on his shows inlucluding people who build XSX, so I'm sure he knows more than people are willing to admit. Often he talks about XSX details before anyone else and later on MS confirms his inside knowledge with official statements. He knows many people from MS for sure and therefore is more credible in my book than some insiders here who were posting fairy tales about 13TF PS5 or The Order 2 gameplay.

 

[SSfox]

You think it's a suicide they're going all in for CrossGen?

 

[Neo Blaster]

Bam.. Head shot.
Have a good day X

Being old i can still remember watching the originals when they came out, for that matter i doubt there is anyone on this forum that does not know what an x-wing is, especially on this forum.

I see you, man, nothing like playing X-Wing on my 386...

 

[Sinthor]

At least they are streaming this in 60fps. Couldn't they kill Mixer off couple of days later after this event? It would've been actually useful for once for a 4K stream.

Only 1080p though! CONFIRMED- XSX can only handle 1080p for games!

LOL. JUST KIDDING!

 

[IllegalLemon]

Dealer has interesting guests on his shows inlucluding people who build XSX, so I'm sure he knows more than people are willing to admit. Many times he the first who talked about XSX details before anyone else.

I can get on with that. The rest, not so much. But let's not pretend dealer knows anything about Computer architecture to talk about it. He gets what he gets from talking to these individuals, but when he tries to throw nonsense relating to things he knows jack about that's when he crosses the line. I'll say he passes with regards to the things he discusses with engineers but for anything else, he either makes wild assumptions or pulls things out from where the sun doesn't shine. Decent with certain things? Yeah. Credible? No, not even close.

 

[Neo Blaster]

Wondering what those who complained about Sony's showcase being just 1080p will say now.

 

[Sinthor]

1 more week, I've got pretty high hopes

I agree. Yes there will be cross-generation games but I'm sure MS knows people want and will focus on next-gen capabilities and demos. I expect to be very impressed with Halo- Infinite as an example and I bet there will be at least a couple unexpected things shown to get people excited as well. Particularly interested to see the use of RT on titles like Halo. Should be cool!

 

[FranXico]

Wondering what those who complained about Sony's showcase being just 1080p will say now.

They'll say "but this one is at 60fps!!"

But come on, it's normal that the stream quality is restricted. A lot of people are going to watch it.

 

[sircaw]

Dealer has interesting guests on his shows inlucluding people who build XSX, so I'm sure he knows more than people are willing to admit. Often he talks about XSX details before anyone else and and later on MS confirms his inside knowledge with official statements.

Did you see that podcast that some one linked today, a few pages back, with the people talking about the new spider-man game

If Dealer wants some credibility outside of his base he should address his contributors absurd claims.

Dealer is a smart guy but he should have a care of duty to his followers, he is letting people spread ridiculous fud on this podcasts, he should know better.

 

[Neo Blaster]

But come on, it's normal that the stream quality is restricted. A lot of people are going to watch it.

Thats what I thought since before Sony's presentation, but many here had an agenda to follow.

 

[pawel86ck]

Did you see that podcast that some one linked today, a few pages back, with the people talking about the new spider-man game

If Dealer wants some credibility outside of his base he should address his contributors absurd claims.

Dealer is a smart guy but he should have a care of duty to his followers, he is letting people spread ridiculous fud on this podcasts, he should know better.

Yes I saw it and I dont agree with his conclusions in THIS PARTICULAR podcast.

 

[Sinthor]

I'm pulling this straight out my ass, but I feel like we'll see PS5 price and preorders within a day either way of the XBox show next week to pull the wind out of their sails. We're in the home stretch so it feels like the marketing engines are getting started. So it wouldn't surprise me.

Yeah, I would think this is possible too. The only thing is...I think they need to answer more questions and give more details of how PS5 works and what it offers, including about backwards compatibility. I would THINK they would have to talk about this stuff to get people more excited and THEN open pre-orders. But...the clock is ticking. At this point, things have been so thrown off by the pandemic that just about anything feels possible. So we'll see!

 

[Neo Blaster]

"We won't force you to upgrade to Xbox Series X at launch to play Xbox exclusives."

translation: I just want to let you know guys we don't have anything to offer at lunch.

Thank you Phil for clarifying I don't need XSX at lunch.

in reality I got PS5 & "PC" to play halo infinite at lunch so I am good.

Phil Spencer: "wait for dinner".

 

[Neo Blaster]

Nah, it would probably be a Wccftech article.

 

[Neo Blaster]

Xbox is no longer just the console, it's their entire gaming division

It's becoming a service, the only reason there won't be an Xbox app on Switch and PlayStation is because Nintendo and Sony won't let it in.

 

[Neo Blaster]

Fair enough, I'm tired of this war so I can offer truce to all of you PS fans but my terms are as fallows
- you guys must accept both consoles are equall and will offer similar gaming experience
- I dont want to read from any of you guys PS5 games will look like next gen compared to XSX without any evidence to support such bold claim.

Agreed, let the games do the talking from 23rd on.

 

[SlimySnake]

Wondering what those who complained about Sony's showcase being just 1080p will say now.

i would say they are both idiots. MS actually had mixer which has done 4k E3 streams for the past couple of years. i dont know wtf these companies are thinking.

 

[Crazychipmunx]

,

Dealer, ColtEastWood, TimDog and RandalThor have about as much credibility as Klobrille does. That's to say, absolute zero. They don't have insider sources at all and never did, their goal is to speak as positively about their plastic box of choice as they possibly can, this gives them attention and as a result they get invited to special Xbox events for free. They were never credible, but have a cult following that listens to every damn thing they say or preach, even if that something doesn't make any sense whatsoever. I wouldn't even give any attention to these clowns, they're not worth the effort. Colt blocked me on Twitter after I put him in his place. I'll assume the others have similar behavior patterns.

I usee to follow these individuals quite closely and enjoyed their content, however recently their collective demeanour has became really vindictive and posses an aire of superiority.
These characters will condescending talk about not worshipping plastic boxes and then engage in the same toxic behaviour.
They spread lies and misinformation, and then claim ignorance. But what's worse, is that higher ups at Microsoft condone this behaviour and actively participate in their channels. I do believe they have contacts in the industry which provide them with information. But in some cases the content they create lacks objectivity and is akin to propaganda.

 

[Self High Five]

Looks like Phil reset the clock

"You won't be forced into the next generation."

Well, for the first two years. I don't get it. Either support Xbox One for all of next gen or go balls to the wall and have exclusives day one. This whole "we're pro cosumer and support the whole userbase until we don't" mantra is bizarre.

Xbox One has over 4000 games available. Time to move on.

 

[Insane Metal]

Awww yiissss list warz

 

[TheCrimsnFuckr]

It's becoming a service, the only reason there won't be an Xbox app on Switch and PlayStation is because Nintendo and Sony won't let it in.

Yeah basically. I'm not entirely certain how successful it'll be but I am most definitely interested in seeing where it goes. Even if you're a diehard Playstation fan, you can't deny that what Xbox is doing is interesting and is also very high risk high reward.

Either way, I still forsee the consoles of Series X and Lockhart being key to introducing the eco-system for a while now

 

[DForce]

Oh man... LOL.

 

[Bladed Thesis]

Oh man... LOL.

Why do we keep posting Tweets of non-engineers being dumb?

We've got enough of those in this very thread from Xbox fans and Sony fans. Let's wait until the consoles are out and stop couch-commentating.