kyliethicc
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But XSX uses DX12, while Sony's solution will likely be more down to the metal. No need for API overheads on PS5. Could help PS5 punch above it's weight on paper.
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sircaw
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OMFG
I meant Elden Ring.
Eldritch Moon is a set from Magic the Gathering. No idea how it popped in my head.
I keep thinking that's a new flavor of monster munch ffs
jose4gg
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Yet to be seen, DX12 could have helped Microsoft due to the fact they have more games in production using it...
Gamerguy84
Member
Ill probably go for the DE first since it looks like theyre gonna come in hot.
I want them both though as I buy a mix of physical and digital.
First priority though is getting another internal drive to up that storage.
I want them both though as I buy a mix of physical and digital.
First priority though is getting another internal drive to up that storage.
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Three Jackdaws
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Lucky dudes, I still live with my family. It would be a nightmare if I tried putting any TV bigger than 42 inches in my room! lol
Can't wait for Sony X900H HDMI 2.1 firmware update!
Bo_Hazem
Banned
I'm still living with my family, it's an Arab trait.
But have like the 3rd floor for me, nothing much, but good enough. So the older TV goes to someone down, the oldest goes for charity, everyone is happy!
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Killer Sakoman
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Why do I see mayonnaise splashed on my screen?For a job that important, I'll have to bring a friend. Gotta get that PS5 tear down for you guys. Wish us luck
kyliethicc
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DX12 seems to be more helpful for PC games, less so for consoles.
"If your game is bottlenecked by the CPU, going to DirectX 12 or Vulkan will greatly help your game. But if you are bottlenecked by the GPU then the updated APIs will help little or not at all. Since many PC games are bottlenecked by the CPU, you will see massive gains there. However console games are usually bottlenecked by the GPU so I would not expect significant changes from newer APIs. The GPU is the same regardless of if you are using OpenGL, DirectX11/12, or Vulkan."
"So if your game is bottlenecked by the overhead of telling the GPU what you want to do, then the APIs are a huge help. This situation happens a lot on PC games where you have a powerful card sitting idle because it can draw things faster than it can be told to draw them. But console games tend to keep the GPU working hard so there are less gains to be made."
- developer John Hable on DirectX 12. His Twitter bio currently says he's a rendering programmer at Epic working on UE.
jose4gg
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DX12 seems to be more helpful for PC games, less so for consoles.
"If your game is bottlenecked by the CPU, going to DirectX 12 or Vulkan will greatly help your game. But if you are bottlenecked by the GPU then the updated APIs will help little or not at all. Since many PC games are bottlenecked by the CPU, you will see massive gains there. However console games are usually bottlenecked by the GPU so I would not expect significant changes from newer APIs. The GPU is the same regardless of if you are using OpenGL, DirectX11/12, or Vulkan."
"So if your game is bottlenecked by the overhead of telling the GPU what you want to do, then the APIs are a huge help. This situation happens a lot on PC games where you have a powerful card sitting idle because it can draw things faster than it can be told to draw them. But console games tend to keep the GPU working hard so there are less gains to be made."
- developer John Hable on DirectX 12. His Twitter bio currently says he's a rendering programmer at Epic working on UE.
Yea, I'm just saying MS has a little bit more experience optimizing for production games with RT, so their API should be more ahead at least "it should" based on their previous experience on PC...
Dave_at_Home
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What's the real-world difference going to be? I just doubt it's going be anything worth noticing outside Digital Foundry's pixel-peeping nonsense.
geordiemp
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And we have not seen any yet except halo ?
Still derailing (I promise this is the last)....
'Just another Manic Monday aahaaa'
'Could have been Sunday aahaaa'
My heart melted watching her doe eyes while she was singing those lyrics. Yes me too had a mad crush on her during my youth... Prince sure knew how to pick em!
Can never forget...
You must of heard of Mazzy Star, she's been on Live with Jules Holland
Still get goosebumps hearing her sing and melt... erm melt like the T1000 Terminator into a floor maintaining perfect surface contact for excellent heat dissipation... gotta keep it on current subject yes!
kyliethicc
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What games has Microsoft studios made before that have RT on PC? I'm not knowledgeable on that topic.
The idea of a console is to strip out the API's and divisions that PC's use and be more direct. HSA and shared system memory, etc. Like what Tim Sweeney was saying about the PS5's I/O architecture being better (more direct) than what's on PC. I bet Sony are doing similar things for RT in order to get the most out of their machine. While Xbox seems to just be using the DX12 PC API and tackling it with lots of CU's.
I'm not sure if one will actually be better than another, but looking at how PS Studios like Naughty Dog find a way to get games like The Last of Us Part 2 running on a base PS4, I'm more optimistic about their ability to extract the most out of their system than say, 343.
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jose4gg
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This is my big issue with MS :/, literary I don't want to spread FUD, but to me is concerning they have just shown Minecraft :/
Yet to be seen, I can see a case where developers that already have RT games on Windows like Remedy could have a little bit more of experience to implement RT in XSX, but just that.
This is my big issue with MS :/, literary I don't want to spread FUD, but to me is concerning they have just shown Minecraft :/
Neo Blaster
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Names(for anthropological research, of course)?For a job that important, I'll have to bring a friend. Gotta get that PS5 tear down for you guys. Wish us luck
P.S.: not Cerny, you fools!!
kyliethicc
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lol, Kylie Jenner & Anastasia Karanikolaou. Enjoy your... research.
MasterCornholio
Member
I remember a while back we were shown that path ray tracing demo. Yes it looks nice and shows that it's possible on the XSX.
But how do I know it's possible with games that are alot more complicated and at a much higher resolution?
I'm still waiting to see complex games with a decent level of Ray tracing in the XSX BTW.
JTCx
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Word has it that DF are going to use a super telescope provided by NASA exclusively for the PS5.
jose4gg
Member
Yep, we have games that are 4K on PS5 with RT at least in some areas, MS should have been the first to show something like that, with the advantage in parallel capabilities and the fact that they already know how RT works in windows...
MasterCornholio
Member
I'm just going to assume devs had so some sort of issues with the dev kits. I know the system is capable for RT. Why we haven't seen it much yet I have no idea.
kyliethicc
Member
I guess we have seen Forza Motorsport cinematic footage using RT, but that wasn't gameplay and it was only at 30 Hz. Gran Turismo 7 showed us 60 FPS 4K gameplay with RT already, so it seems Sony's studios are a bit ahead in next-gen development.
kyliethicc
Member
It's funny because in terms of graphics and compute power they've never been closer, but in terms of I/O speeds, they've never been farther apart. The differences, or lack there of, will be very interesting to see.
jose4gg
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Yea, in-engine and in a PC... I have not doubts Turn 10 can deliver, but I wanted to see at least some preview of what to expect.
THE:MILKMAN
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Stuart360
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I honestly wouldnt be surprised if at least one of the consoles gets delayed. I'm not saying it will happen, i just wont be surprisd. Same with a lot of the games we think may be launch games.
Lethal01
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"No PS5 info"
what are you talking about? We've seen the hardware, We've seen the games. All that's left are some people going hand on with the system.
Knitted Knight
Banned
We need that hardware tear down. See that plastic in real life instead of that 3d render. Cutting it too close to launch.
kyliethicc
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r/cursedimages
yewles1
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Let's put it this way: If a 2080Ti can barely manage 1080p at 90fps on pathtraced Quake 2, then what makes people think XSX can do any better, let alone come close?
3liteDragon
Member
I mean, we haven't gotten a teardown yet let alone a die shot for the PS5. So I wouldn't be too sure about that, let's just wait until they reveal everything.
Stuart360
Member
Well 30-60fps on RTX Minecraft isnt bad at all as that game is still the hardest ray traced game to run due to it using 100% path tracng.
Still ray tracing will be more of an experiment this gen imo, with it really coming into its own on PS6/Xbox 5 imo.
Lethal01
Member
I suppose seeing the inside of the console is just the lowest on my list of priorities on what needs to be done before a console is for sale.
It's not like we are going to find cocaine in there or really learn anything big we don't already know.
MasterCornholio
Member
Well my expectations is that ray tracing will be limited on these systems. It will mostly be used for shadows, audio and reflections.
For lighting im guessing they will go with GI because it's less intensive than RT while offering similar results.
Minecraft with full path ray tracing is just a tech demo not a realistic demonstration in what ray tracing in games will be like.
Thedtrain
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Sinthor
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OMFG
I meant Elden Ring.
Eldritch Moon is a set from Magic the Gathering. No idea how it popped in my head.
I bet maybe you were thinking 'Elden Ring' and it turned into Eldritch Moon?
Edit---I totally didn't see that you'd already said that. Sorry!
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Snowdonhoffen
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I hope, last year they revealed the first gameplay of Death Stranding there and on that same day they announced the Insomniac Games acquisition which was also mentioned on the event and a new trailer of Erica was showed so we'll probably get something PlayStation related there.
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Knitted Knight
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We'll get to see the box, dimensions relative to people's hands on a table - get a better idea of how It will look horizontally. The quality of the plastic and the tone of the white etc...
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kyliethicc
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For the white color, I'd say it will be identical to the DualSense. Dorito Dominus already blessed us.
Come on Stuart,
it could be worse, that one from kingpin where woody pays for the rent.
That was vile.
MasterCornholio will find her, i trust in his smut level lol
shiiiit, i haven't watched that film since i was little
For the white color, I'd say it will be identical to the DualSense. Dorito Dominus already blessed us.
I just can't make my mind-up.
Upon first glance, it looks bigger, and shaped like an XB1 controller. This is horrible for me (XB1 controller is crap, especially when stretching thumb up for the X guide button).
But then on a closer examination, all the buttons seem to retain their PS4 controller positions, and the face buttons are even pushed-out towards the edges slightly by the touchpad having curved sides this time.
I hope to fuck it's comfortable to hold.
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Rea
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Not abit, alot further ahead, like 2 years ahead.
kyliethicc
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It looks larger in the hand. It will fill out your palms more, but the DualShock 4 is already wider than the Xbox controller. This is just a more curved look to the same PS controller. Buttons and sticks seem to be same space apart.I just can't make my mind-up.
Upon first glance, it looks bigger, and shaped like an XB1 controller. This is horrible for me (XB1 controller is crap, especially when stretching thumb up for the X guide button).
But then on a closer examination, all the buttons seem to retain their PS4 controller positions, and the face buttons are even pushed-out towards the edges slightly by the touchpad having curved sides this time.
I hope to fuck it's comfortable to hold.
I don't see it looking like Xbox controller at all to me. I think that just got thrown around a lot because its white and has longer grips that aren't symmetrically rounded as DS4.
L1/R1 L2/R2 seems better positioned to me. When I grip the DS4, my fingers wrap around the shoulder buttons into the middle of the light bar. With DualSense, looks like that will fill out my hands a bit more, so my fingers will land on the shoulders/triggers better than with DS4.
Im excited, looks great. Looks like they improved the entire controller. And it's already so damn good.
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saintjules
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Live blog from the Hot Chips event
He later deleted it, but I caught a picture of him eating his favorite chips while testing the DualSense controller.For the white color, I'd say it will be identical to the DualSense. Dorito Dominus already blessed us.
Here's all the proof you need...
Snowdonhoffen
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Sometimes Matt can be a savage
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