MasterCornholio
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Just to make it more simple do you think it will do better than the X1 at launch?
I think it could do that at the very least.
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Just to make it more simple do you think it will do better than the X1 at launch?
I think it could do that at the very least.
Randy Randerson
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While I'm buying a PS5 and love what they are doing, I would wait to see how both consoles will perform in real-world situations. The systems are incredibly close this time around from a metrics standpoint (I/O notwithstanding).
sircaw
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What do you think the biggest innovations are for the ps5 if you don't mind me asking?
What do you think the biggest innovations are for the ps5 if you don't mind me asking?
Randy Randerson
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Didn't the X1 sell out at launch? If I remember, PS4 had better staying power in that first year after the launch of both consoles
WhispersintheWind
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In a 6 month time frame it should. At the first 3 Months I would say at least even if not better. We don't know for sure if Microsoft is going to be impacted by Covid shipping issues yet.
Also Microsoft needs to show games running on actual Xbox Series X hardware on stage to help with people on the fence.
Random side discussion, bit could kick-up some UI discussion for both consoles?
I think xbox really need a face-lift. Get away from the black and dull green. Revamp the menu layout whilst the newest one for XB1 looks good, it seems to ape the PS4 setup, and personally I'm not the greatest fan of the "glass" look from 2006's Vista, it's soo dated, in a bad way.
For me, XB should mix the 2010 "Kinnect layout" with the final two 360 layout (2 rows vs 3 rows).
Mixed with..
I think xbox really need a face-lift. Get away from the black and dull green. Revamp the menu layout whilst the newest one for XB1 looks good, it seems to ape the PS4 setup, and personally I'm not the greatest fan of the "glass" look from 2006's Vista, it's soo dated, in a bad way.
For me, XB should mix the 2010 "Kinnect layout" with the final two 360 layout (2 rows vs 3 rows).
Mixed with..
LucidFlux
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Yep, If the machines were identical in every conceivable way aside from CU count, GPU and CPU speed then it would be much easier to deduce the performance delta. With the differing design philosophies, data pipelines, coprocessors and customization details we still don't know it's impossible to declare one more performant without equivalent benchmarks, especially when the known core components are so close in capability aside from I/O.
Lysandros
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Just to clarify, are you expecting %20 more (max theoretical) ALU throughput to translate to "upto 20% resolution advantage and better raytracing" in games majority of the time? In that case you are not believing that specific hardware customizations included to sony's console to improve efficiency to be meaningful that much?
Dodkrake
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Not, it's factually not more powerful. It has a slightly slower CPU, less TFlops, so it is less powerful. Now, does that tell the whole tale? No, because less powerful doesn't mean less performant. For all we know, it may perform better in spite of being less powerful. That's all.
Isn't the upgrade only valid for one year?
Who's seriously missing-out on the console and experiencing the games the best way they can, but inside of 12 months they will have the money for the console etc. And in Xbox's case the money to repurchase the same game, hence the huffing and puffing about no physical upgrade path?
Seems to me that instead of playing the gimped version of COD this holiday, you'd save that £60 towards getting the new machine a month earlier or whatever.
Agnostic2020
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Upto 20 means 10 , 15 , 20 . Yea I believe xsx will have the resolution advatage . Would love to be proven wrong but for time being I ll go with upto 20% resolution difference
2160p vs 1920p
FunkMiller
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The funniest two things on the TV are Its Always Sunny In Philadelphia & What We Do In The Shadows. Neither are British, and neither give two shits about pandering to the politically correct audience.
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yewles1
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Nah, XSX is more powerful, but it's build is more akin to a traditional PC pre-build or older consoles as opposed to Sony's extreme efforts to efficiency on PS5 in order to bring more power out to devs right off the bat.It's like ali Salehi said, it'll take time to truly bring out the full power of the XSX. It's 7th Gen. all over again, but the shoe is on the other foot.
Nickolaidas
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.... that was then.
What will there be in a few hours??
Lysandros
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Okay, thanks for the reply.
Mr. PlayStation
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sircaw
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One of the best shows i have ever seen is Nighty night.
It is out of control. Its got so much gross funny stuff, its beyond awesome.
Pulls no punches.
This scene, if i recall correctly, is he is getting a vasectomy. And she is in love with the guy and wants to get pregnant.
assurdum
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I don't understand how realistically a 20% of more raw power in gpu needs more time to squeeze out a sort of magic performance enhancement compared the ps5, when on pc such differences is almost insignificant in the big picture of the things and it's not even a straight 20% of more power. People believe too much in the MS PR hype campaign, I'd bet virtually series X won't offer anything more already possible on ps5 . Maybe cross gen titles could have a sort of initial advantage thanks to the higher cpu clock without SMT, but realistically I don't expect that series X will offers major upgrade in the multiplat over the ps5, even late the next gen, considered the different philosophy of the 2 hardware.
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Aceofspades
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XSX is more powerful than PS5, the delta is the smallest we have ever seen ever but the numbers are there.
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By-mission
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Right, here we go again..
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3liteDragon
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Lol, and lol again for Chris Garnell who doesn't even have access to the devkits, the guy that said the PS5 will struggle trying to run third-party open-world games and the Series X will be the only console capable of real-time ray-tracing on the RDX podcast and then back-pedalled after the backlash. What a clown.
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TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
FunkMiller
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Mr. PlayStation
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FunkMiller
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yewles1
Member
I always wanted to see his face with shiny rock specular.Can we get some Ray tracing on Craig please, i think he deserves it.
Coulomb_Barrier
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It's a bunch of BS most probably, I was shocked how that came from Bloomberg via 'according to sources', which sounded spurious immediately, yet everyone has took it and ran with it.
Salmon Snake
Member
One ticket to hype train please !
It's been weeks since I've been hyped for PS5 because it's been so quiet.
It's been weeks since I've been hyped for PS5 because it's been so quiet.
3liteDragon
Member
Exactly.
CrysisFreak
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Alright guys what exactly are we expecting from gamescom with Geoff in terms of PS5 news outside of Ratchet and a horror forest teaser?
Y'all are overhyping jfl
Y'all are overhyping jfl
Dammit sircaw why you do this to me
just too many...Sony's implementation of SmartShift to keep the main components running at optimum, pushing up on GPU/CPU bandwidth at its peak
Geometry engine will be keeping those available TFlops relevant ie reduce wasting TFlops calculations on unseen geometry, and I'm sure many more improvements I can't remember and yet to learn
GPU cache scrubbers reduce stalls dramatically
Rumoured bigger GPU L2 caches, this is a given as will be needed cos it's clocked so high it has relatively more cycles to wait for CPU commands
Rumoured CPU unified L3 cache may be bigger, will reduce latency between cores passing data between each other and less cache misses
Super fast SSD streaming data straight to GPU
Many dedicated hardware refinements for above tasks to operate without burdening CPU
This list is not concise and full of holes I'm sure. But really not saying there's just one technology above that gives PS5 the advantage, it's the culmination of all of them!
sircaw
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That's... incredible. I've never seen Nighty Night, I'll have to track it down
there are scenes in it that are just, incredible, i can not believe they made some off them lol
3liteDragon
Member
I personally don't think there's gonna be a resolution difference at all in third-party games, but hey we'll see.
MastaKiiLA
Member
That's not the original NES.
Thiccc.
B_Boss
Member
Talk about obe crazy ass gaming day....
Context? Also there were reports of Sony manufacturing about 10mil units for shipping. Perhaps with the pandemic they'll sell quickly but still. They're trying to be prepared if those reports are accurate.
I thought ol' Gabe simply offered his console of choice because it was better or something along those lines?
Grannell....well, it's so odd but I had wanted to know what he was up to in terms of gaming just this morning. I remember his words making the rounds like wildfire earlier this year and more specifically I wanted to know his thoughts about the PS5 reveal presentation or the console itself based on what we not only see but know as of today.
Unfortunately his tweets make no mention of it (that I could find). His tweets seem to go from about 5/18, to 6/7, then 6/9 but nothing about his thoughts on the PS5's reveal as that relates to what he had heard from devs. You just won't find anything about the PS5's hardware on or around the date that Sony revealed it which is odd to me since he certainly filled us in on what he had heard about it prior to June. I know he's a guest on the podcast with Dealer, TimDog, Colt, etc. so maybe he has expressed his thoughts on the PS5 there
?A few of his notable PS5-centric thoughts:
These were certainly things he heard from others but my genuine opinion of just what he says sounds similar to what that mysterious Jeff Rickel had said on YouTube about the PS5.
I don't know....I feel as though his tweets have not stood really firm or aged well with time but I could be wrong. Perhaps he was just fed wrong info or info that was accurate for a moment in time? Who knows.
Context? Also there were reports of Sony manufacturing about 10mil units for shipping. Perhaps with the pandemic they'll sell quickly but still. They're trying to be prepared if those reports are accurate.
Gabe Newell said it, Chris Grannell, developers talking to Schreier also said it is more powerful. We know the specs of the console... But sure back to the alternate "next-gen speculation thread" reality
I thought ol' Gabe simply offered his console of choice because it was better or something along those lines?
Grannell....well, it's so odd but I had wanted to know what he was up to in terms of gaming just this morning. I remember his words making the rounds like wildfire earlier this year and more specifically I wanted to know his thoughts about the PS5 reveal presentation or the console itself based on what we not only see but know as of today.
Unfortunately his tweets make no mention of it (that I could find). His tweets seem to go from about 5/18, to 6/7, then 6/9 but nothing about his thoughts on the PS5's reveal as that relates to what he had heard from devs. You just won't find anything about the PS5's hardware on or around the date that Sony revealed it which is odd to me since he certainly filled us in on what he had heard about it prior to June. I know he's a guest on the podcast with Dealer, TimDog, Colt, etc. so maybe he has expressed his thoughts on the PS5 there
?A few of his notable PS5-centric thoughts:These were certainly things he heard from others but my genuine opinion of just what he says sounds similar to what that mysterious Jeff Rickel had said on YouTube about the PS5.
I don't know....I feel as though his tweets have not stood really firm or aged well with time but I could be wrong. Perhaps he was just fed wrong info or info that was accurate for a moment in time
? Who knows.
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sircaw
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Dammit sircaw why you do this to me
Sony's implementation of SmartShift to keep the main components running at optimum, pushing up on GPU/CPU bandwidth at its peak
Geometry engine will be keeping those available TFlops relevant ie reduce wasting TFlops calculations on unseen geometry, and I'm sure many more improvements I can't remember and yet to learn
GPU cache scrubbers reduce stalls dramatically
Rumoured bigger GPU L2 caches, this is a given as will be needed cos it's clocked so high it has relatively more cycles to wait for CPU commands
Rumoured CPU unified L3 cache may be bigger, will reduce latency between cores passing data between each other and less cache misses
Super fast SSD streaming data straight to GPU
Many dedicated hardware refinements for above tasks to operate without burdening CPU
This list is not concise and full of holes I'm sure. But really not saying there's just one technology above that gives PS5 the advantage, it's the culmination of all of them!
Like mount Vesuvius, i could feel you wanting to erupt.
Sorry, i made you work.
and that is a lot of goodies in there.
Its going to be so interesting to see how that all adds up for sure.
3liteDragon
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I mean, there's a chance we see gameplay for HFW right? Don't think that's overhyping anything.
MasterCornholio
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There might be. But I would think they would reserve that for one of their events.
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Bladed Thesis
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Definitely for their own event.
Agnostic2020
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Maybe. Let's see. but even 1920p vs 2160p is not visible to human eyes whatsoever while sitting a meter away from tv
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