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Bo_Hazem
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Sony Playstation 5 Pre Order email: Why has no one been speaking about this? Do we know of anyone being chosen? I responded to mine about 10 times now lmao.Bo_Hazem or @HeisenbergFX4 ?
I'm trying to keep in touch with Sony ME, nothing so far. No insider details though, zero from my side.
Setsuna Mudou
Member
$700 that to me seems fair assuming the performance is what Jensen mentioned. Let there be benchmarks
kyliethicc
Member
Yeah seems likely.So
XSS 299$
PS5 DE 399$
PS5 499$
XSX 499$
for me its almost official.
zaitsu
Banned
1499$
Setsuna Mudou
Member
it's $700
really positively surprised. Seems AMD's pressure is working finally.
THE:MILKMAN
Member
Like I've been saying! Let's be honest a console is 70% APU/RAM (the rest of the components copy/pasted from this gen) so $500+ will look expensive for them now looking at 3070 specs.
It just removes the bottlenecks I assume, so a 7GB/s or 100X faster NVMe can actually deliver that. Right now in PC it is at best limited by Sata 3 speeds (~500MB/s)
kyliethicc
Member
It looked like a PC GPU version of what Sony showed off with the PS5 I/O. Custom hardware and software, SSD bypassing the CPU, etc.
kyliethicc
Member
Damn yeah wow 700. crazyit's $700
Darius87
Member
that audience likes to play with Tflops rather then games. i would never buy any of pc card even at low prices if they don't have big 5 like sony has, because i look at games when i buy HW not numbers.
The way they described it sounded like it was just nvidia utilising Microsoft's direct storage api, no custom hardware which means it's probably limited in what it does.
ErRor88
Member
I believe it was said MS Direct Storage API is powering RTX I/O
zaitsu
Banned
Yes of course, im playstation guy.
But new nvidia cards performance/price is sweet as hell.
Being totally realistic 3070 will smoke consoles for 499$, they can't price it higher than that.
LooseLips
Member
They had better be priced competitively. That was an awesome reveal from Nvidia. Both console companies should learn from that. Clear and complete information - that's all. No incomplete stuff, no dragging it out. The price, and all those features, has caught me by surprise. Not overly convinced i'll be buying them t launch - I may just plug for a 3080, and wait to see if either console seems worth the investment a bit further down the line. Which is surprising, as I'm usually there day one.
kyliethicc
Member
I thought he mentioned some hardware will offload the I/O work from the CPU. Decompression/ data transfers, etc I think. He said it would require a lot of CPU cores to do it otherwise. Kinda like what the consoles are doing.
He did mention that API too.
Edit. Heres their graphic. I think it implies they have compression & decompression processing built into the GPU. How else could they handle the equivalent of 24 CPU cores of I/O overhead?
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Entroyp
Member
I was thinking the same. Nvidia just validated Sony's approach to investing in I/O to improve gaming experiences, and PC enthusiast can't brush it aside anymore
The XsX seems like it will be stuck with the old obsolete way of doing things for a few more years but at least DXIIU can leverage the I/O for PC games too.
Tiago07
Member
They just said that they are using AI, but it was not very explicit.
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Killer Sakoman
Member
I feel bad for whoever bought 2080 ti this year
. One of the reason I used to only buy the mid tier cards when I used to game on PC.
BlueXImpulse
Banned
I'll elaborate a bit. This is just from what I understand.
It's Direct Storage that allows streaming from SSD to GPU memory, we've known this was coming to the PC space for months. See below:
This is what is being done in principle, and this is mentioned in the presentation itself. Furthermore, it seems that decompression is done on the GPU rather than the CPU? At least that's what "GPU lossless decompression" implies.
Easy enough. On the Series X side however 2.4GB/s (Raw), 4.8GB/s (Compressed) was only impressive compared to PC before DirectStorage landed. Now that it has, it's hardly up to par.
PS5 on the other hand is double 4.8GB/s at the bare minimum compressed (9GB/s). In real world performance we know it can peak potentially at 22GB/s. They've future proofed their solution.
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TheGreatWhiteShark
Member
This is not a serious question. at all.
Geoff must be a real KING and VIP for sony to have them prepare an entire version of PS4 astrobot just for him to make a 5 min video
Some of you guys have completely lost contact with whatever part of logic procedures exist in your brains.
I don't know what to say anymore. I am completely lost for words
Wtf are you guys onI'll elaborate a bit. This is just from what I understand.
It's Direct Storage that allows streaming from SSD to GPU memory, we've known this was coming to the PC space for months. See below:
This is what is being done in principle, and this is mentioned in the presentation itself. Furthermore, it seems that decompression is done on the GPU rather than the CPU? At least that's what "GPU lossless decompression" implies.
Easy enough. On the Series X side however 2.4GB/s (Raw), 4.8GB/s (Compressed) was only impressive compared to PC before DirectStorage landed. Now that it has, it's hardly up to par.
PS5 on the other hand is double 4.8GB/s at the bare minimum compressed (9GB/s). In real world performance we know it can peak potentially at 22GB/s. They've future proofed their solution.
it's still more than enough for series X.
Sinthor
Gold Member
Nothing new yet. The initial email is a no-reply email so...nothing else to do but wait to see if we are chosen. Whatever being chosen MEANS.
BlueXImpulse
Banned
Wtf are you guys on
PS5 and Ampere RTX IO paired with top of the line Gen4 SSD are in a class of their own compared to it.
zaitsu
Banned
It's what we were speculating from march.I'll elaborate a bit. This is just from what I understand.
It's Direct Storage that allows streaming from SSD to GPU memory, we've known this was coming to the PC space for months. See below:
This is what is being done in principle, and this is mentioned in the presentation itself. Furthermore, it seems that decompression is done on the GPU rather than the CPU? At least that's what "GPU lossless decompression" implies.
Easy enough. On the Series X side however 2.4GB/s (Raw), 4.8GB/s (Compressed) was only impressive compared to PC before DirectStorage landed. Now that it has, it's hardly up to par.
PS5 on the other hand is double 4.8GB/s at the bare minimum compressed (9GB/s). In real world performance we know it can peak potentially at 22GB/s. They've future proofed their solution.
It's shift which Sony knew was coming, and MS even participating in making this possible on NV cards, overlooked in their own console.
PC adapted to PS5 before it even came out, XSX not so much.
So you think PCs will also be outperformed by PS5?I was thinking the same. Nvidia just validated Sony's approach to investing in I/O to improve gaming experiences, and PC enthusiast can't brush it aside anymore
The XsX seems like it will be stuck with the old obsolete way of doing things for a few more years but at least DXIIU can leverage the I/O for PC games too.
Sinthor
Gold Member
Digital Foundry, we got a problem:
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Wow. Dude's letting his freak flag fly, huh?
kyliethicc
Member
Yeah Nvidia seem to be claiming 2x compression from 7 GB/s raw.I'll elaborate a bit. This is just from what I understand.
It's Direct Storage that allows streaming from SSD to GPU memory, we've known this was coming to the PC space for months. See below:
This is what is being done in principle, and this is mentioned in the presentation itself. Furthermore, it seems that decompression is done on the GPU rather than the CPU? At least that's what "GPU lossless decompression" implies.
Easy enough. On the Series X side however 2.4GB/s (Raw), 4.8GB/s (Compressed) was only impressive compared to PC before DirectStorage landed. Now that it has, it's hardly up to par.
PS5 on the other hand is double 4.8GB/s at the bare minimum compressed (9GB/s). In real world performance we know it can peak potentially at 22GB/s. They've future proofed their solution.
zaitsu
Banned
nothing wrong with being gay, but this guy is awful
BlueXImpulse
Banned
They didn't specify if that's minimum or peak though. But I'd wager peak.
Sinthor
Gold Member
Oh, I didn't even see anything "gay" on there and wasn't talking about that. He just seems rather.....um...confident? Open? It's all good, but seems a little odd still for someone representing a specific company or organization is all. I mean.... I'm pretty sure if I had my FB or instagram like that and it came up somehow publicly...my company would probably fire me.
zaitsu
Banned
So after NV show XSX must be priced lower than 500$ to make anyone even consider buying it over PC.
This is very happy news for us - becuase I'M like 99% confident over pricing both consoles at 499$, with PS5 DE at 399$ and XSX at 299$.
It will be as cheap as this gen was.
This is very happy news for us - becuase I'M like 99% confident over pricing both consoles at 499$, with PS5 DE at 399$ and XSX at 299$.
It will be as cheap as this gen was.
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Tiago07
Member
So no loading times in the next PC games ? Like CP2077 and others ? And this will work in the old games (not so old but like before-Ampere).I'll elaborate a bit. This is just from what I understand.
It's Direct Storage that allows streaming from SSD to GPU memory, we've known this was coming to the PC space for months. See below:
This is what is being done in principle, and this is mentioned in the presentation itself. Furthermore, it seems that decompression is done on the GPU rather than the CPU? At least that's what "GPU lossless decompression" implies.
Easy enough. On the Series X side however 2.4GB/s (Raw), 4.8GB/s (Compressed) was only impressive compared to PC before DirectStorage landed. Now that it has, it's hardly up to par.
PS5 on the other hand is double 4.8GB/s at the bare minimum compressed (9GB/s). In real world performance we know it can peak potentially at 22GB/s. They've future proofed their solution.
Entroyp
Member
Where did I say that?
Darius87
Member
smoke on what game? marbles?
i guarantee to you that PS5 will have best looking games next-gen PC simply doesn't have enough talented studios it only have Rockstar and CD-Red which multiplatform btw, so sony is big 7 vs PC big 2.
BlueXImpulse
Banned
CPU overhead has been removed. And yeah, will work with older titles.
kyliethicc
Member
There's gotta be dedicated I/O hardware in the RTX 3000 GPUs for handling compression, right? Or are they claiming its all software.
TherapistGaymer
Banned
Look you know my status and I'm looking at this picture with a true final understanding of Alex's more feminine qualities as of late. Wow this says so much. Why would he do this - that takes something like balls to do in his position!?Digital Foundry, we got a problem:
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Saudumm
Member
500$ just for a graphics card vs 500$ for a complete console is a big difference.
BlueXImpulse
Banned
Compression is done at the software level during dev, pretty sure of that. There's decompression tech in the GPU I think.
SSfox
Member
smoke on what game? marbles?
i guarantee to you that PS5 will have best looking games next-gen PC simply doesn't have enough talented studios it only have Rockstar and CD-Red which multiplatform btw, so sony is big 7 vs PC big 2.
How dare you to compare to PS5? Just start with PS4, show something close to TLOU2 or Ghost Of tsuhima then we can start talk PS5
zaitsu
Banned
3060 will be probably on par with nextgen consoles and it will be even lower priced lower at 299$-399$
zaitsu
Banned
No need to talk that to me.smoke on what game? marbles?
i guarantee to you that PS5 will have best looking games next-gen PC simply doesn't have enough talented studios it only have Rockstar and CD-Red which multiplatform btw, so sony is big 7 vs PC big 2.
Im buying PS5 because of sony games as always.
Metroiddarks
Member
All this double performance same price has two main reasons:
1.- Consoles with a performance of a 2070-2080 even more with the pass of the time
2.- RDNA 2 is powerful
I am so happy now but I think the RTX 3080-3090 will double the performance easily in RT against the consoles.
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kyliethicc
Member
Yeah cuz they claim it would take 24 CPU cores to handle the I/O otherwise. So the GPU must have an I/O unit.
Saudumm
Member
And that is still just a graphics card. Without a CPU, RAM, Motherboard, PSU, Case...
Dave_at_Home
Member
saintjules
Member
Dave_at_Home
Member
Well, well, well...look at this fancy fuck.BC is better than no BC.
But powering up an old console eats BC for breakfast.
Personally, as a Playstation fan, I find Sony's way of handling its legacy a bit unbalanced between soft and hard...
They strongly rely on IP (and the controller) to tell the whole PS story, but although certain games hold it together (e.g. Gran Turismo), I'm not entirely sure that's sustainable enough to fuel the brand in the long run.
I also think we already damaged some of the PS DNA when we lost Ridge Racer, SOCOM, Twisted Metal and others.
Beyond BC, I am wishing for software emulation and AI—powered upscaling of the entire Playstation catalog.
I still remember the fun of playing an upscaled PS2 Hokuto no Ken on my PS3 fat.
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