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[ZehDon]

Sony is being honest as well with their I/O. As for loading screens going away I'm pretty sure Sony won't hesitate to demonstrate that.

I didn't say Sony were being dishonest with their IO, I said Sony said one thing, and then delivered something less than that, in typical PR fashion. It's honest that Sony showed us the real game, complete with stutters, but I'm not a fan of being told one thing, and then shown something else. I applaud Microsoft for saying "fast loading" and then delivering fast loading, rather than saying "no loading" and then just delivering "fast loading". In about a year, I suspect I'll be critical of Microsoft touting the XSS as a 1440p machine, because it reads as a 1080p machine to me. But, time will tell on that one.

 

[ethomaz]

Devs complaining about the Series S is starting to pile up faster than I anticipated. Ohh boy...

It is just "concern trolling".

 

[TheGreatWhiteShark]

Do you have a link? I'd love to read more about it.

google for any technical article on direct storage API, hardware accelerated decompression, BCpack, even velocity architecture or hot chips.
I believe they are many articles to find.

 

[ethomaz]

Hey how does he have preorders already?

You can preorder right now in most retailers.

 

[MasterCornholio]

I didn't say Sony were being dishonest with their IO, I said Sony said one thing, and then delivered something less than that, in typical PR fashion. It's honest that Sony showed us the real game, complete with stutters, but I'm not a fan of being told one thing, and then shown something else. I applaud Microsoft for saying "fast loading" and then delivering fast loading, rather than saying "no loading" and then just delivering "fast loading". In about a year, I suspect I'll be critical of Microsoft touting the XSS as a 1440p machine, because it reads as a 1080p machine to me. But, time will tell on that one.

Actually I believe Sony said the elimination of loading screens.

Also Microsoft said something similar.

The Xbox Series X's 'velocity architecture' will virtually eliminate loading times, Microsoft claims

Design allows console to perform better than its specs might suggest, company says

www.independent.co.uk

. That increased performance has already allowed the company to create games with "entirely new rendering techniques to the virtual elimination of loading times, to larger, more dynamic living worlds where, as a gamer, you can choose how you want to explore", Jason Ronald, director of program management for Xbox Series X said in a new blog post.

I believe this is what Cerny said during the Road to PS5.

Sony Unveils New Hardware Details for PlayStation 5

Showcasing a deep dive into the system's architecture.

hypebeast.com

. For instance, the SSD's ability to load 5 GB per second will effectively eliminate loading screens for the next-gen

With that said I haven't really seen any loading screens on the PS5 go this point. They could exist in the future but at the moment I haven't seen any.

 

[DeadOblivion78]

I didn't say Sony were being dishonest with their IO, I said Sony said one thing, and then delivered something less than that, in typical PR fashion. It's honest that Sony showed us the real game, complete with stutters, but I'm not a fan of being told one thing, and then shown something else. I applaud Microsoft for saying "fast loading" and then delivering fast loading, rather than saying "no loading" and then just delivering "fast loading". In about a year, I suspect I'll be critical of Microsoft touting the XSS as a 1440p machine, because it reads as a 1080p machine to me. But, time will tell on that one.

To be fair, this is the beginning of a new generation. A few years later you'll be seeing Sony's first party getting into the full swing of the PS5 and knowing all the kinks and tricks.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

You guys are looking into the Series S 1440p/120fps claims too literally.

That will be the max spec.

PS4 Pro and Xbox One X are 4k systems. And how many games run native 4k?

 

[megreotsugua]

My prediction:

XBOX SERIES X - $499

PS5 PHYSICAL EDITION - $449

XBOX SERIES V - $399 (xsx apu rejects at lower speed and few CUs not working and also disc-less)

PS5 DIGITAL EDITION - $349

XBOX SERIES S - $299

 

[Empire Strikes Back]

Who is Angel Kavazov?
Working in QA.

He in the end said this previously deleted that tweet :



Surely he was posted deleted tweet in bad faith. Yeah, he knows quality = XSS /s

Elenarie's tweet was from a extreme bad taste. Not every single studio can be funded by EA and not every studio is as technical driven as DICE. Her comparison makes no sense whatsoever.

What we should be looking at is publishers like Ubisoft, publishers which are not afraid of cheaping out a port to a weaker console. If publishers like Ubisoft start to think the XSS version is not worth the money sink, then things will get rough for players there.

"B-b-but if XSS has million of users they will make a good version." We all know they wont, even this gen after the Pro and X1X, some of these games are barely playable and are out just to make money.

Activision, EA, those big ones can afford sinking money on XSS version. God, Activision have a roster of studios just for Call of Duty. I'm more curious on how studios without unlimited money will fare.

 

[Thedtrain]

My predition:

XBOX SERIES X - $499

PS5 PHYSICAL EDITION - $449

XBOX SERIES V - $399 (xsx apu rejects at lower speed and few CUs not working and also disc-less)

PS5 DIGITAL EDITION - $349

XBOX SERIES S - $299

Isnt xbsv a joke

 

[devilNprada]

You can preorder right now in most retailers.

These are non US pre-orders? Sony hasn't taken any pre-orders in any country have they? Someone said some Scandinavian countries, but do these stores even know if their getting any?

 

[megreotsugua]

Isnt xbsv a joke

I am thinking maybe it uses the APU rejects of xsx that didn't quite yield perfectly. So instead of having 52, it'll have about 48 and with a little bit lower frequency. Disc-less too.

 

[MasterCornholio]

My prediction:

XBOX SERIES X - $499

PS5 PHYSICAL EDITION - $449

XBOX SERIES V - $399 (xsx apu rejects at lower speed and few CUs not working and also disc-less)

PS5 DIGITAL EDITION - $349

XBOX SERIES S - $299

XBSV?

 

[TheGreatWhiteShark]

You guys are looking into the Series S 1440p/120fps claims too literally.

That will be the max spec.

PS4 Pro and Xbox One X are 4k systems. And how many games run native 4k?

plenty of games native 4k on xbone x, even more with dynamic 4k that stay at 4k most of the time.

 

[Dave_at_Home]

Sony is being honest as well with their I/O. As for loading screens going away I'm pretty sure Sony won't hesitate to demonstrate that.

What interest me is not so much the complete elimination of load screens (which is still cool), but the potential to have more interesting stuff frame-to-frame in RAM because of the I/O. Less filler. More killer.

 

[bitbydeath]

google for any technical article on direct storage API, hardware accelerated decompression, BCpack, even velocity architecture or hot chips.
I believe they are many articles to find.

Thanks. I've just tried looking but am not able to find anything that addresses the BC question directly. Maybe it was made up?

 

[MasterCornholio]

What interest me is not so much the complete elimination of load screens (which is still cool), but the potential to have more interesting stuff frame-to-frame in RAM because of the I/O. Less filler. More killer.

I'm really hoping the PS5s I/O translates to a ridiculously smooth UI. Kind of like how windows feels faster with an SSD.

The worst console UI that I've experienced was the PS3s as an example of a sluggish UI.

 

[Faithless83]

I didn't say Sony were being dishonest with their IO, I said Sony said one thing, and then delivered something less than that, in typical PR fashion. It's honest that Sony showed us the real game, complete with stutters, but I'm not a fan of being told one thing, and then shown something else. I applaud Microsoft for saying "fast loading" and then delivering fast loading, rather than saying "no loading" and then just delivering "fast loading". In about a year, I suspect I'll be critical of Microsoft touting the XSS as a 1440p machine, because it reads as a 1080p machine to me. But, time will tell on that one.

Have you seen any loading screens yet? I haven't.
They never claimed "the game will never load", that's impossible.

 

[megreotsugua]

XBSV?

Maybe it'll use xsx apu rejects and disc-less. That's just my prediction.

 

[ethomaz]

These are non US pre-orders? Sony hasn't taken any pre-orders in any country have they? Someone said some Scandinavian countries, but do these stores even know if their getting any?

It is retailer preorders.
It started when the consoles where announced later year.

How it works depends of the retailers... some ask for $50-100 for the preorder and when the hardware get a price you need to pay the difference.... others ask like $500 and if it is more you need to pay more... if it is less then you receive money back.

There is no way that retailers won't get consoles to sell but if that happen then they just return the money... they just open a small number of preorders for that... it is less than what they will get in the worst case scenario.

 

[Entroyp]

I am thinking maybe it uses the APU rejects of xsx that didn't quite yield perfectly. So instead of having 52, it'll have about 48 and with a little bit lower frequency. Disc-less too.

I'm sure devs will love that

 

[Faithless83]

Maybe it'll use xsx apu rejects and disc-less. That's just my prediction.

This has to be BS. What the hell are they thinking?
"We are cellphones now!"

 

[megreotsugua]

I'm sure devs will love that

Yeah, it'll be a nightmare. Now it makes sense MS is using Direct X for their consoles despite its inefficiency and many layers of abstraction. They'll be treating their comsoles like a PC.

 

[TheGreatWhiteShark]

Thanks. I've just tried looking but am not able to find anything that addresses the BC question directly. Maybe it was made up?

if you understand how the I/O system in new console(s) works, then you have already understood that if you pop a previous gen disc in the drive, the new I/O operations are not properly utilized. for example, if I drop my uncharted 4 disc in my ps5, data inside it will not have kraken compression.

 

[MasterCornholio]

Have you seen any loading screens yet? I haven't.
They never claimed "the game will never load", that's impossible.

The only ones who made an instant anything claim was Microsoft with their instant 100GBs.

Going for speed: The load-busting, lag-limiting tech of the Xbox Series X

Prettier graphics are nice, but we’re most excited about opening gaming’s bottlenecks.

arstechnica.com

the "Xbox Velocity Architecture," which Microsoft promises will allow "100GB of game assets to be instantly accessible

I'm still waiting for a demo of that BTW.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Maybe it'll use xsx apu rejects and disc-less. That's just my prediction.

 

[Three Jackdaws]

that's a relief, seemed like a really stupid idea to me lol

 

[MasterCornholio]

Maybe it'll use xsx apu rejects and disc-less. That's just my prediction.

That thing is a reject. No way they are pushing out another system.

 

[DeadOblivion78]

Maybe it'll use xsx apu rejects and disc-less. That's just my prediction.

That looks like a cruel joke. Give the devs a break.

 

[TheGreatWhiteShark]

And before I leave, here is some Dolby Vision (edit: ) NOT Cyberpunk 2077

 

[Three Jackdaws]

Principal Gameplay Programmer @SonySantaMonica:



Come on, we all know what you're working on. Just spill it!

Just dreaming about God of War and what it might look like on PS5...........

God of War (2018) is in my top 5 of all time.

I am so dam pumped for the sequel!

 

[jose4gg]

And before I leave, here is some Dolby Vision Cyberpunk 2077

Only thing is, that's not Cyberpunk

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[Faithless83]

if you understand how the I/O system in new console(s) works, then you have already understood that if you pop a previous gen disc in the drive, the new I/O operations are not properly utilized. for example, if I drop my uncharted 4 disc in my ps5, data inside it will not have kraken compression.

All things considered, It would still have the benefit of the improved raw speed.
And they didn't drop the zlib decompression, it wouldn't be smart considering BC.

Even though not everything would be "top speed", it would still be a lot faster.

 

[nickthebiggeek]

And before I leave, here is some Dolby Vision Cyberpunk 2077

Only thing is, that's not Cyberpunk

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Thats gotta hurt.

 

[Explosive Zombie]

I can never tell if this thread is 20 more pages because of arguing or because something got announced... or both...

 

[dorkimoe]

Dunno if this was posted. I expect these things to be very hard to get.

Xbox Series X Leak Suggests Storage Upgrades Could Be Very Expensive

Microsoft might be gouging wallets for storage.

screenrant.com

 

[bitbydeath]

if you understand how the I/O system in new console(s) works, then you have already understood that if you pop a previous gen disc in the drive, the new I/O operations are not properly utilized. for example, if I drop my uncharted 4 disc in my ps5, data inside it will not have kraken compression.

I/O would still function as the decompression methods should be compatible. The files would just be larger.

Found this:


Maybe Xbox is built differently though.

 

[MISTER INVEIGLER]

My prediction:

XBOX SERIES X - $499

PS5 PHYSICAL EDITION - $449

XBOX SERIES V - $399 (xsx apu rejects at lower speed and few CUs not working and also disc-less)

PS5 DIGITAL EDITION - $349

XBOX SERIES S - $299

wtf is Series V?

Please tell me this is a joke

 

[TheGreatWhiteShark]

Only thing is, that's not Cyberpunk

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wth? reddit used to be more reliable :] having seen the cyberpunk trailer on xbox x dolby access app, I paid no significant attention to details on this tweet. sorry

 

[SlimySnake]

I/O would still function as the decompression methods should be compatible. The files would just be larger.

Found this:


Maybe Xbox is built differently though.

i was actually thinking about this while watching jackfrags stream cod cold war. the multiplayer maps were taking forever to load by cod standards. he was playing the pc version too.

and then it me, the fucking crossplay is going to make the ssd pretty much useless. it wouldnt matter if the ps5 and xsx versions load in 2-5 seconds because the damn last gen versions and PC folks without ssds will still take 50 seconds to load a warzone map.

wtf is Series V?

Please tell me this is a joke

its a Tier 2 console.

Spoiler

there is a thread on the main page about it. looks like a fake.

 

[MasterCornholio]

wtf is Series V?

Please tell me this is a joke

Microsoft is refurbishing PlayStation 5 dev kits.

 

[jose4gg]

i was actually thinking about this while watching jackfrags stream cod cold war. the multiplayer maps were taking forever to load by cod standards. he was playing the pc version too.

and then it me, the fucking crossplay is going to make the ssd pretty much useless. it wouldnt matter if the ps5 and xsx versions load in 2-5 seconds because the damn last gen versions and PC folks without ssds will still take 50 seconds to load a warzone map.



its a Tier 2 console.

Spoiler

there is a thread on the main page about it. looks like a fake.

You can't imagine how scared I was when I saw this for the first time...

 

[hemo memo]

Do you think we'll reach page 3100 before an announcement from Sony?

 

[jose4gg]

Do you think we'll reach page 3100 before an announcement from Sony?

No

 

[megreotsugua]

wtf is Series V?

Please tell me this is a joke

It's just a rumor. But I have a feeling it's real and it's using XsX APU rejects.

So devs will have to code against 3 xbox configurations. That's where the many layers of abstraction and inefficiency of Direct X comes in handy.

 

[bitbydeath]

i was actually thinking about this while watching jackfrags stream cod cold war. the multiplayer maps were taking forever to load by cod standards. he was playing the pc version too.

and then it me, the fucking crossplay is going to make the ssd pretty much useless. it wouldnt matter if the ps5 and xsx versions load in 2-5 seconds because the damn last gen versions and PC folks without ssds will still take 50 seconds to load a warzone map.

That's true but loading faster should mean you'll catch an earlier starting lobby so you won't be waiting on people who boot up at the same time as you.

 

[yewles1]

Dunno if this was posted. I expect these things to be very hard to get.

Xbox Series X Leak Suggests Storage Upgrades Could Be Very Expensive

Microsoft might be gouging wallets for storage.

screenrant.com

If true, then I can't WAIT for Vita haters to defend this...

 

[Ptarmiganx2]

Yeah, not particularly vested in his comments.

The comments from the id devs are more relevant, because their engines are always pushing envelopes. If they're commenting that the XSS will have RAM issues, I'm more inclined to believe them because id generally delivers cutting edge tech with each release. With that said, Microsoft have bet a lot on their Velocity Architecture, to act as a multiplier on RAM. Microsoft also know their stuff - literally some of the best computer and data science folks on the planet. I'm curious to see how this one actually plays out - did Microsoft get it wrong, or do Dev's just need time to get to grips with the new hardware?

Sorry but Velocity Architecture is little more than a marketing gimmick. Microsoft didn't have an answer to Sony's I\O solution so they tried to shift the narrative. We know hardware works and no amount of software gimmicks will close the gap. Nvidia's newest cards confirm Sony took the right approach. Microsoft themselves haven't come to grips with VA or we would have seen something better than 12 second load times with games from the previous generation.

 

[TheGreatWhiteShark]

I/O would still function as the decompression methods should be compatible. The files would just be larger.

Found this:


Maybe Xbox is built differently though.

from that same thread



edit: and I see that fake cp2077 reddit tweet was deleted right after I posted it :]]

Thats gotta hurt.

actually it doesnt hurt. as I was closing windows for shutdown it was right in my feed at the time, and it looked fancy.
as I said, USUALLY this reddit feed is reliable.
they deleted that tweet one minute after I posted it here.
and cyberpunk 2077 already is verified for dolby atmos on xbone X, so most probably will be dolby vision too on the new machine. they have a trailer on dolby app on xbox.

And upon a quick inspection, that video is posted on Dolby's official site, advertising dolby vision on the new xbox:

 

[ZehDon]

Sorry but Velocity Architecture is little more than a marketing gimmick. Microsoft didn't have an answer to Sony's I\O solution so they tried to shift the narrative. We know hardware works and no amount of software gimmicks will close the gap. Nvidia's newest cards confirm Sony took the right approach. Microsoft themselves haven't come to grips with VA or we would have seen something better than 12 second load times with games from the previous generation.

... by using Microsoft's DirectStorage API, that forms a key component of the "Velocity Architecture" that's a marketing gimmick?