VargasPaPuM
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looks like you never played a Xbox. It has haptic feedback since first Xone.
also impulse triggers.
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also impulse triggers.
SportsFan581
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GPU TFs weren't the only difference between X1 and base PS4, memory bandwidth played a big role in the differences also.
VargasPaPuM
Member
CU count?
SportsFan581
Member
Memory bandwidth was the biggest hurdle for the X1, it's amazing what was managed on DDR3 and a tiny SRAM cache at the end of the day.
Imtjnotu
Member
How about,
Ui,
BC showing for games,
Hdmi specs
Any info on a day one patch
Or maybe show us the damn machine actually running
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Lysandros
Member
Yes, indeed. Number of ROPS and ACE's also played a role.
kyliethicc
Member
The HDMI port is 2.1. They're never gonna tell you anything else. It supports VRR and 4K120 HDR10, just assume its 40 Gb/s.
I do wanna see the UI and someone use the system too.
Backwards compatibility will probably be annoying on day 1 cause a few games won't work, and they'll update it over time.
I kinda just assume the worst for a lot of this stuff.
Only a month left to go, so at least the waiting is almost done.
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ThaMonkeyClaw
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Well, it's the next generation with next generation features, if you don't like the features and prices then do as my good friend Douglas Reynholm suggests...
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Three Jackdaws
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PS4's GPU was pretty impressive at the time and the customisations such as the extra ACE as well as the GDDR5 memory ensured the PS4 punched above it's weight and had some longevity. It was a good choice too and it payed off big time, just look at games like God of War, Uncharted 4, Last of Us 2 and Ghost of Tsushima.
It's the sucess of the PS4 and the design choices that influenced it which gives me a lot of confidence and hope in the PS5 hardware and the design choices that went into it, I'm really curious and excited to see the kind of games we'll see five years from now, when developers will be able to really push the hardware as well not being tied down to cross-gen support. Games like Demon Souls already look really really impressive, I feel the best is yet to come.
bitbydeath
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Faithless83
Banned
Exactly, nothing happened. Some are clinging to the "MS Bought SEGA" thread like every Wednesday is the announcement.
If you have nothing to be happy about, be salty and point fingers at the competition instead. It's in the book!
Lysandros
Member
Yes, i agree. I am especially curious if the extra buses of PS4 (Garlic, Onion and Onion+) are still present in PS5. These were added to enhance GPGPU abilities as far as i know.
IllegalLemon
Member
How long did it take him to come up with that bullshit, let alone write it? Sounds like a five year old having a mental breakdown rather than an actual adult.
Aaron Greenberg's minions are out here spreading more nonsense.
kyliethicc
Member
good effort.
Snowdonhoffen
Member
Rumble Motors ≠ Voice Coil Actuators
Rumble Triggers ≠ Adaptive Triggers
Just saying.
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kyliethicc
Member
I just hope the PS5 is quiet. Maybe that Japanese tuber will tell us
Snowdonhoffen
Member
Xbox warriors: "You think you can get more flops from the SSD? Ha! you're delusional"
Also Xbox warriors: "It doesn't matter how fast the PS5 I/O is, XSX can achieve the same speeds just by using software, it's math"
Saberus
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The New Generation Xbox Controller - Xbox Wire
Xbox One, Controller, Wireless, Interview
news.xbox.com
Impulse Triggers – Xbox One's Wireless Controller sports four vibration motors – a small one behind each trigger that adds precise haptic feedback to the fingertips, and a larger in each grip for large scale rumbles. This gives users a sense of in-game directionality and depth, creating rich, immersive experiences where gunshots, car crashes and explosions can come to life.
True they call it Haptics but.. its 4 rumble motors and that's it..
PS5 have resistance triggers that apply pressure when you pull down, and the the new haptics use voice coil actuators. This is a coil and a magnet that can vibrate depending on how the power is pushed through the actuator. These are a lot faster than rumble motors, giving it a lot more precision in the vibration. It can also vary in vibration frequency and is akin to the way a speaker works, just not as much range. So then devs can actually "play" a waveform (which is akin to the way sound works) through the haptics and you will feel the "sound". Sound simply being vibration and all.
Blitzmangoman
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I think it's because of what Cerny said:
"Dread it. Run from it. Destiny still arrives."
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Riky
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You are talking about the difference between 1920x1080 and 1440x1080, so a drop only on one axis, so it is closer than a straight comparison of 1080p X 900p. A drop in one axis is harder to spot, they say its most obvious in the foliage. Hardly downplaying.
The XSX still emulates but it still doesn't scale like that, the X1X is four to five times the teraflops of the X1S, did you get four the times the framerate? Did you even get double? No you didn't.
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FranXico
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VA reaches around 6GB/s.
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Deleted member 775630
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When Microsoft explained VRS and SFS in detail, they said "2.5x the effective I/O throughput and memory usage above and beyond the raw hardware capabilities on average".
But some people took that number and used it as a multiplier for compressed I/O number, and now they reached 16GB/s even. No clue how they did that.
hemo memo
You can't die before your death
Could we reach 4000 before launch?
Rea
Member
U don't understand what you're saying about. Use google and learn more about Dual sense controller or ask someone who is more educated than you.
Lysandros
Member
It isn't the max capability of the decompression chip?
jimbojim
Banned
Yeah, but that's a theoretical max.
IllegalLemon
Member
The keyword there is Raw. Which most probably means adding the multiplier to the compressed speed is very wrong. But some people either lack basic understanding and reading comprehension or completely ignored or outright disregarded what Microsoft said about the benefits of SFS (such as the 2.5-2.7 multiplier), so they just pulled imaginary numbers out of thin air, possibly adding that multiplier to the compressed speed and potentially even doing it with a higher multiplier completely misunderstanding that that is only meant for the raw speed and according to earlier demonstrations of the SFS, results in a storage raw capability improvement of approximately 2.5x not much higher than that. It could potentially have a multiplier slightly higher than that, but that might not be the case and if it is, we just haven't seen that yet.
FranXico
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HAL-01
Member
Where'd you get that number? A quick google search tells me typical speed for DDR4 2133mhz is 55gb/s
FranXico
Member
You're getting close mate. Not equivalent to DDR4, but same ballpark as slower RAM. There is a consequence to that.
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Comparing two very different things here.
AFAIK You should be do the calculation on
Uncompressed read speeds x lossless compression rates x lossy compression rates.
jimbojim
Banned
Yeah, on average 11-13 GB/s. That's awesome.
LiquidRex
Member
Got it from here...
My bad.
And here too...
What are the data transfer rates for DDR, DDR2, DDR3 and DDR4? - Transcend Information, Inc.
The table is compared speed with peak transfer rate RAM Type Speed Peak Transfer Rate* DDR 266 2.1 GB/s 333 2.7GB/s 400 3.2 GB/s DDR2 533 4.27 GB/s 667 5.33 GB/s 800 6.4 GB/s DDR3 1066...
www.transcend-info.com
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3liteDragon
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It isn't, but Microsoft has their own tech for this that is a bit better.
sircaw
Banned
Oh boy!
Kraken is open source. Anyone can use it basically.
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Neo Blaster
Member
There's a controller coming with the console, you know? And 'offer a minimum user experience', what is this BS? Who is using haptic feedback tech, while the only new thing the other company is offering is a new button, which is copying a function already used in DS4 by the way?
HAL-01
Member
Ah I see, my source lists a typical 55gb/s speed for a four channel configuration, while 17gb/s is theoretical speed for a single channel. Most computers do at least dual channel,, but even then we are still getting pretty close to slow ram speeds. Pretty impressive.Got it from here...
My bad.
And here too...
What are the data transfer rates for DDR, DDR2, DDR3 and DDR4? - Transcend Information, Inc.
The table is compared speed with peak transfer rate RAM Type Speed Peak Transfer Rate* DDR 266 2.1 GB/s 333 2.7GB/s 400 3.2 GB/s DDR2 533 4.27 GB/s 667 5.33 GB/s 800 6.4 GB/s DDR3 1066...
Neo Blaster
Member
Sony floodgates are about to open, that just don't go well with them.
thurnishaleygw
Member
There is no exclusivity, what Sony has done is purchase a license so any dev can use both and take advantage of it while developing for PS5.
Physiognomonics
Member
No it's native here. I guess it can be dynamic (with temporal injection) if the scene is very demanding but Nx gamer only found native 4K.
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