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NFL 2011 Week 8 |OT| Tim Tebow

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Rorschach

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ChanHuk said:
3 years is the timeframe for any player to develop. After 3 seasons you can tell if the player is good or not.

2012 draft will feature Luck, Barkley, and Landry.
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Well, even if you use 3 years, then you only have 2 draft classes to work with. :p

IMO, it's different for different positions. It's not going to take an OT, HB, WR, and QB the exact same amount of time to develop.
 
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I've decided that I will be rooting for the Texans in the world series. I will then have a western conference team in the NHL in the form of the Stars. I want to see Jerrah's head explode when every team in Dallas wins a championship but his.
 
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Rorschach said:
Well, even if you use 3 years, then you only have 2 draft classes to work with. :p

IMO, it's different for different positions. It's not going to take an OT, HB, WR, and QB the exact same amount of time to develop.
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Word. Also, I wouldn't exclude Rodgers from the list, was drafted 6 years ago, close enough. Too early to tell with this years crop obviously.

There were too many QB retreads hanging around for years, think that's why you saw teams go out and be a bit proactive, that and a rookie cap being a foregone conclusion.

You may see 5 QBs go in round 1 this year as well. The three that have already been mentioned, with Tannehill and Griffin rounding it out.
 
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ChanHuk

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Rorschach said:
Well, even if you use 3 years, then you only have 2 draft classes to work with. :p

IMO, it's different for different positions. It's not going to take an OT, HB, WR, and QB the exact same amount of time to develop.
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06-08 draft class, the only one to stand out really is Jay Cutler, I suppose you can make an argument for Matt Ryan.

3 years is ample time for any player, RBs have the easiest transition from college to pros. McFadden was considered a bust until his 3rd season, now he's considered a top 5 back in the league. Took Nnamdi 3 season to develop, but he was switching from FS to CB.
 
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Seda

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wienke said:
something something Cutler

Come on man, you're walking right into these.
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Come on now, Cutler hasn't Cutler'd the Bears too many times this year. It's the shoddy O-line, small receivers with blocks for hands, and the aging D that's doing them in! (lol)

Cutler and Forte are the bright spots on a team like this, with Hester mixed in.
 
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Rorschach

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ChanHuk said:
06-08 draft class, the only one to stand out really is Jay Cutler, I suppose you can make an argument for Matt Ryan.

3 years is ample time for any player, RBs have the easiest transition from college to pros. McFadden was considered a bust until his 3rd season, now he's considered a top 5 back in the league. Took Nnamdi 3 season to develop, but he was switching from FS to CB.
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McFadden wasn't considered a bust in terms of skill, he was just injured all the damn time. RBs are usually plug-and-play.

There are obviously going to be exceptions to the rules: guys who take more or less time than the rest. We're talking about averages. You can't just pull 2 guys out of thousands and declare 3 to be the right number for all positions.

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Word. Also, I wouldn't exclude Rodgers from the list, was drafted 6 years ago, close enough. Too early to tell with this years crop obviously.

There were too many QB retreads hanging around for years, think that's why you saw teams go out and be a bit proactive, that and a rookie cap being a foregone conclusion.

You may see 5 QBs go in round 1 this year as well. The three that have already been mentioned, with Tannehill and Griffin rounding it out.
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Yeah, I think the trend might continue. And Rodgers fits the sit and wait philosophy. :) Shining beacon of it. Maybe Mallett will rise when Brady gets taken out again!

Too bad we won't have a shot at a QB. :\ I'm a little jealous. Sucks not having any hope for the position year after year.
 
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ChanHuk

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Rorschach said:
McFadden wasn't considered a bust in terms of skill, he was just injured all the damn time. RBs are usually plug-and-play.

There are obviously going to be exceptions to the rules: guys who take more or less time than the rest. We're talking about averages. You can't just pull 2 guys out of thousands and declare 3 to be the right number for all positions.
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McFadden in his first two seasons ran with stupid pad level, tripped on himself, and went down on shoestring tackles. Might of been because of his turf toe, but Bush was actually named the starter at the beginning of last season but broke his thumb or something and had to get surgery in preseason.

I'm still going to standby 3 seasons is enough to determine if a player is a bust or not. Especially if you're a top 10 pick. Hell, a lot of people here are already calling Bradford and Stafford busts. Those guys still have potential, Sanchez is probably the most overhyped QB that I think is a straight up bust. He's even a horrible game manager.
 
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darkside31337

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ChanHuk said:
McFadden in his first two seasons ran with stupid pad level, tripped on himself, and went down on shoestring tackles. Might of been because of his turf toe, but Bush was actually named the starter at the beginning of last season but broke his thumb or something and had to get surgery in preseason.

I'm still going to standby 3 seasons is enough to determine if a player is a bust or not. Especially if you're a top 10 pick. Hell, a lot of people here are already calling Bradford and Stafford busts. Those guys still have potential, Sanchez is probably the most overhyped QB that I think is a straight up bust. He's even a horrible game manager.
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Then give Sanchez the 3 seasons.

Sanchez overall, even with some horrifically bad moments, is playing a lot better this year than anything Bradford has ever shown.

Outside of the Balty game he's played above average in essentially every start.
 
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ChanHuk

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darkside31337 said:
Then give Sanchez the 3 seasons.

Sanchez overall, even with some horrifically bad moments, is playing a lot better this year than anything Bradford has ever shown.

Outside of the Balty game he's played above average in essentially every start.
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We'll know after this season whether Sanchez is a bust or not. Rex tried to make him more of a passer and it didn't work out, they're reverting back to running the ball and Sanchez managing the clock. It's not like the guy has a bad o-line in front of him or horrible receivers. The Jets also gave up a lot for Sanchez, their 2nd round pick and a handful of players.

And to Bradford's credit, he just has a awful team around him.
 
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Sanchez makes plays sometimes. He is not a bad qb, I hate it when people say that. Donovan Mcnabb in his current form is bad. Flacco is bad. Sanchez is just a bit better than mediocre. And sometimes he is even pretty good. And in this league with a good defense thats all you need.

If he played like he has this season for the Ravens, they wouldn't have lost a game. Boom. There you go.

LOL at Chuckddd. great reason to root for the rangers.
 
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EvilMario said:
Not sure Gabbert 'shredded' the Ravens.
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Oh god, no. Don't think for a minute I was suggesting that. Gabbert had a better day than his numbers showed (and will continue to do so until Marcedes remembers how to catch footballs) but even with that I'm not saying he had anything close to a great day. Just thinking about how Ravens fans were so confident about being able to stop MJD, and what Ray Rice would do to our defence and so on. Didn't happen.

Gabbert will have a breakout game at some point, and now that we're past the 'top three defences in the NFL' phase of our schedule, that becomes more likely to happen. A lot of it's on the receiving corpse [sic] to step up, though.
 
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Ninja Scooter said:
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He needs to Mormon it up some more to compete with Tebow.
 
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ChanHuk said:
3 years is the timeframe for any player to develop. After 3 seasons you can tell if the player is good or not.

2012 draft will feature Luck, Barkley, and Landry.
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Don't overlook Baylor's QB as well.
 
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yankeehater

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I would think after Luck Kellen Moore will be the best QB. Almost every Boise St game has been televised where I live this year, and he is so fucking accurate. Guy never seems to make a bad throw. There was so much talk about him not having a good year this season since they lost a bunch of receivers from last year, but it hasnt slowed him down at all.
 
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Milchjon

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I sometimes wonder if people would even speculate about teams tanking intentionally for Luck if "Suck for Luck" wasn't such a catchy phrase.
 
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The Frankman said:
You remember how jakncoke seemingly always replied with the laughing emoticon? Well smileys are removed on GAF, so everybody in NFL-gaf just uses either :jakncoke or :jnc as another version of a laughing emoticon.
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We need a FAQ in the OP or something.
 
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Milchjon

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Just watched some highlights of Kellen Moore. College football looks kinda weird :-/

Also, what's the advantage of taking the snap under center? Communication? Making the defense guess about running plays/play action?

Shotgun looks much more efficient and should allow for a better view of the field?
 
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cajunator

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Well, any given Sunday and all that.
Usually.
In this case, I don't think the Colts even want to try.
Saints put up 14 more points on them and weren't even trying to score. just running the clock out. But the Colts were having none of that.
 
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levious

That throwing stick stunt of yours has boomeranged on us.
it was probably one of the most embarrassing post game pressers ever.

Like someone pulled him aside and explained the rules to him before he spoke, and he immediately thinks, whoa, what if that was the playoffs man?!


Only possibly equally embarrassing would be Haynesworth after he stayed on the ground while vick was moving around in the pocket, and he says "I thought the play was over, or I was hurt."
 
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levious said:
it was probably one of the most embarrassing post game pressers ever.

Like someone pulled him aside and explained the rules to him before he spoke, and he immediately thinks, whoa, what if that was the playoffs man?!


Only possibly equally embarrassing would be Haynesworth after he stayed on the ground while vick was moving around in the pocket, and he says "I thought the play was over, or I was hurt."
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Or Burress celebrating after a catch for a 1st down and spiking the ball without being touched/tackled.
 
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AngmarsKing701 said:
The Luck Bowl.

Would rival some SNF games we've seen.
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Take the two lowest record teams and have them play each other in Week 17. But the twist... the winner gets the first overall pick.

GOTY
 
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LevelNth said:
Take the two lowest record teams and have them play each other in Week 17. But the twist... the winner gets the first overall pick.

GOTY
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Holy shit that would be amazing. I bet the ratings would be crazy to.
 
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squicken

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yankeehater said:
I would think after Luck Kellen Moore will be the best QB. Almost every Boise St game has been televised where I live this year, and he is so fucking accurate. Guy never seems to make a bad throw. There was so much talk about him not having a good year this season since they lost a bunch of receivers from last year, but it hasnt slowed him down at all.
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He was a weak arm. Worst than Dalton, which was the primary knock on him if I remember correctly.

Any team drafting Landry Jones is foolish. He gets scared like frightened turtle when pressured, and is really streaky with his accuracy. I wouldn't be surprised if, as the year goes on, he falls further down various mock drafts
 
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Rorschach said:
It's hard to tell in such a short time frame because the third or fourth year is the make or break year for QBs. I know everyone wants QBs to just come in and start dominating, but maybe more teams will take the "wait and learn" approach as the first round pick will no longer be getting paid more than the entire offensive line starting offense.

These last two years have been QB fests for some reason. Teams taking chances on shitty looking QBs in the early rounds. Not that it means much, but the only Pro Bowl QB in the last 5 years is Matt Ryan. There haven't been any real good QBs in those years. The media seems to love Ryan/Flacco/Sanchez, because of the playoff wins, but they look like ass to me. Ryan less so than the other two, but he hasn't impressed me very much. They seem to be coming around to seeing Sanchez for what he is, though.

Anyway, all that said, this year's class seems to be better than all of the last 5 years, but we have to see what their sophomore slump looks like next year.
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90% of the time you can tell how good if a player should be in the NFL from his first few games. The really great players continue to develop and improve over time, but I don't believe in this give a guy 5 years nonsense. It worked for Aaron Rodgers, but I bet he would have been a good qb if he played his first year as well.

80% of the time my formula for evaluating quarterbacks works 100% of the time.
 
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overcast said:
We all know Luck will be great, as he has all those tools to be great. What do you guys think of Barkley?
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Barkley will follow in the footsteps of every other recent overhyped USC QB.
 
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squicken

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bionic77 said:
90% of the time you can tell how good if a player should be in the NFL from his first few games. The really great players continue to develop and improve over time, but I don't believe in this give a guy 5 years nonsense. It worked for Aaron Rodgers, but I bet he would have been a good qb if he played his first year as well.

80% of the time my formula for evaluating quarterbacks works 100% of the time.
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Aikman was awful his first year. Got benched even. That Cowboy team had no talent, and he looked terrible.
 
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squicken said:
Aikman was awful his first year. Got benched even. That Cowboy team had no talent, and he looked terrible.
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There is an exception to every rule.

Hell Ben Roethlisberger is married now and 7 out of 10 experts think it was entirely consensual.
 
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levious

That throwing stick stunt of yours has boomeranged on us.
Aikman didn't look hopeless, kind of like Manning's rookie year, his numbers were bad but you could tell he was going to be good.
 
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squicken

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bionic77 said:
There is an exception to every rule.

Hell Ben Roethlisberger is married now and 7 out of 10 experts think it was entirely consensual.
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I think very rarely are rookies elite right away. Brent Favre was on the bench in ATL. Steve Young was decent in the USFL but bad with a crappy Bucs team.

Marino and Lord Brady are exceptions, and coincidentally stepped in to situations with incredibly talented teams

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Aikman didn't look hopeless, kind of like Manning's rookie year, his numbers were bad but you could tell he was going to be good.
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He got benched. He took a ton of hits and looked bad quite frequently. 9TDs and 18INTs
 
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