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NFL 2013 Week 3 |OT| - We're Up All Night To Get Gronky
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The_Darkest_Red
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I'm not really sure what to think going into the Falcons game, I'm interested in hearing some thoughts from Falcons-GAF.
The first major concern is obviously the Falcons passing attack. If Will Davis and/or Dmitri Patterson don't return to the lineup for this game Jimmy Wilson and Nolan Carroll will again get extended playing time, which is downright terrifying considering the Falcons WR corps (probably the best in the league, in my opinion). Gonzalez is of course a factor as always, and Jackson out of the backfield will be a concern as well, especially since Ellerbee has not looked great in coverage this season.
From what I've seen it looks like the Falcons offensive tackles have been struggling, so hopefully that pattern continues and Matt Ryan finds himself on his back quite a few times during the game (screw Matt Ryan, by the way). I'm looking for Jordan to be involved more in this game than the first two and it'd also be nice to see Wake rack up a few more sacks.
In terms of rushing I think Jackson will have a pretty good game against Miami's D. After two games I'm starting to feel that while Ellerbee and Wheeler are an upgrade at LB overall they are not quite as good as Dansby and Burnett at stopping the run, as they tend to chase down tackles as opposed to stopping plays at the point of attack. Regardless, I can't see this being a huge factor either way, as Atlanta's passing attack is really the major concern.
On the other side of the ball it's mostly going to come down to whether or not Tannehill can get time to pass. I like how the Dolphins WR's and TE's match up against Atlanta's secondary (which seems to be struggling somewhat if the numbers are any indication) but if the pass protection doesn't improve it won't really matter. If Tannehill plays as sharp as he has the first two weeks and he gets time to pass he could put up some monster numbers.
I have no idea what to expect from Miami's running game as they've been very inconsistent and I also don't know how good Atlanta has been at stopping the run. I don't expect this to be much of a factor either way, though.
I'm looking forward to the game but I don't have high hopes. I think this is the week the Dolphins come back down to reality a bit so I'll predict Falcons by 10 or so.
The first major concern is obviously the Falcons passing attack. If Will Davis and/or Dmitri Patterson don't return to the lineup for this game Jimmy Wilson and Nolan Carroll will again get extended playing time, which is downright terrifying considering the Falcons WR corps (probably the best in the league, in my opinion). Gonzalez is of course a factor as always, and Jackson out of the backfield will be a concern as well, especially since Ellerbee has not looked great in coverage this season.
From what I've seen it looks like the Falcons offensive tackles have been struggling, so hopefully that pattern continues and Matt Ryan finds himself on his back quite a few times during the game (screw Matt Ryan, by the way). I'm looking for Jordan to be involved more in this game than the first two and it'd also be nice to see Wake rack up a few more sacks.
In terms of rushing I think Jackson will have a pretty good game against Miami's D. After two games I'm starting to feel that while Ellerbee and Wheeler are an upgrade at LB overall they are not quite as good as Dansby and Burnett at stopping the run, as they tend to chase down tackles as opposed to stopping plays at the point of attack. Regardless, I can't see this being a huge factor either way, as Atlanta's passing attack is really the major concern.
On the other side of the ball it's mostly going to come down to whether or not Tannehill can get time to pass. I like how the Dolphins WR's and TE's match up against Atlanta's secondary (which seems to be struggling somewhat if the numbers are any indication) but if the pass protection doesn't improve it won't really matter. If Tannehill plays as sharp as he has the first two weeks and he gets time to pass he could put up some monster numbers.
I have no idea what to expect from Miami's running game as they've been very inconsistent and I also don't know how good Atlanta has been at stopping the run. I don't expect this to be much of a factor either way, though.
I'm looking forward to the game but I don't have high hopes. I think this is the week the Dolphins come back down to reality a bit so I'll predict Falcons by 10 or so.
Alligatorjandro
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Best OT ever.
THU, SEP 19
Kansas City at Philadelphia
SUN, SEP 22
Green Bay at Cincinnati
St. Louis at Dallas
San Diego at Tennessee
Cleveland at Minnesota
Tampa Bay at New England
Arizona at New Orleans
Detroit at Washington
NY Giants at Carolina
Houston at Baltimore
Atlanta at Miami
Buffalo at NY Jets
Indianapolis at San Francisco
Jacksonville at Seattle
Chicago at Pittsburgh
MON, SEP 23
Oakland at Denver
THU, SEP 19
Kansas City at Philadelphia
SUN, SEP 22
Green Bay at Cincinnati
St. Louis at Dallas
San Diego at Tennessee
Cleveland at Minnesota
Tampa Bay at New England
Arizona at New Orleans
Detroit at Washington
NY Giants at Carolina
Houston at Baltimore
Atlanta at Miami
Buffalo at NY Jets
Indianapolis at San Francisco
Jacksonville at Seattle
Chicago at Pittsburgh
MON, SEP 23
Oakland at Denver
DeaconKnowledge
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Holy shit where do I begin? First the Bengals.
Bengals called a great game on offense. Tons of 3 WR sets to force the nickel coverage only to run right at them. Law Firm had a feast on the ground. Yesterday also showed why Foote was the starter for so long - sure he doesn't have the body but he has the smarts meaning he knows where to be. Kion Wilson and Vince Williams had awful games - Wilson being the guy who gave up the TD on the screen to Bernard.
This team isn't to be feared. I thought so before the game and despite losing I still do. Dalton won't take them anywhere. Ike took away AJ Green and Dalton was lost, He's another Stafford - throws to a WR with a massive catch radius. Jay Gruden won that game for them.
As for the defense - the beast Geno Atkins was a ghost for the second game just like the first. Burfict disappeared as well. I said this last night too but Harrison is finished. He's still powerful, but completely lacks the speed to be a difference maker anymore.
Now for the fun part..
Steelers are a mess. No running game, no tight ends, no reason for defenses not to blanket the receivers or pin their ears back and slam into Ben.
Ben sucks too. Something I read this morning:
Congrats Ben. You've traded short completions for long incompletions. Wonderful. I don't buy this being a Haley problem anymore because before the season Ben was very proud of telling people that he went over the whole offense with Haley and took out the shit he didn't like. Behold the fruits of that labor.
Paulson sucks. Can't block without getting slammed to the ground, can't hold onto the football.
Redman sucks. Slow as an ox - he's even slower than he was last season.
I'm just rambling now because there's so much wrong with this team I can't focus on anything. Get well soon Heath.
Bengals called a great game on offense. Tons of 3 WR sets to force the nickel coverage only to run right at them. Law Firm had a feast on the ground. Yesterday also showed why Foote was the starter for so long - sure he doesn't have the body but he has the smarts meaning he knows where to be. Kion Wilson and Vince Williams had awful games - Wilson being the guy who gave up the TD on the screen to Bernard.
This team isn't to be feared. I thought so before the game and despite losing I still do. Dalton won't take them anywhere. Ike took away AJ Green and Dalton was lost, He's another Stafford - throws to a WR with a massive catch radius. Jay Gruden won that game for them.
As for the defense - the beast Geno Atkins was a ghost for the second game just like the first. Burfict disappeared as well. I said this last night too but Harrison is finished. He's still powerful, but completely lacks the speed to be a difference maker anymore.
Now for the fun part..
Steelers are a mess. No running game, no tight ends, no reason for defenses not to blanket the receivers or pin their ears back and slam into Ben.
Ben sucks too. Something I read this morning:
Steelers Depot said:
Congrats Ben. You've traded short completions for long incompletions. Wonderful. I don't buy this being a Haley problem anymore because before the season Ben was very proud of telling people that he went over the whole offense with Haley and took out the shit he didn't like. Behold the fruits of that labor.
Paulson sucks. Can't block without getting slammed to the ground, can't hold onto the football.
Redman sucks. Slow as an ox - he's even slower than he was last season.
I'm just rambling now because there's so much wrong with this team I can't focus on anything. Get well soon Heath.
Week 3 Schedule
THU, SEP 19
Kansas City at Philadelphia
SUN, SEP 22
Green Bay at Cincinnati
St. Louis at Dallas
San Diego at Tennessee
Cleveland at Minnesota
Tampa Bay at New England
Arizona at New Orleans
Detroit at Washington
NY Giants at Carolina
Houston at Baltimore
Atlanta at Miami
Buffalo at NY Jets
Indianapolis at San Francisco
Jacksonville at Seattle
Chicago at Pittsburgh
MON, SEP 23
Oakland at Denver
THU, SEP 19
Kansas City at Philadelphia
SUN, SEP 22
Green Bay at Cincinnati
St. Louis at Dallas
San Diego at Tennessee
Cleveland at Minnesota
Tampa Bay at New England
Arizona at New Orleans
Detroit at Washington
NY Giants at Carolina
Houston at Baltimore
Atlanta at Miami
Buffalo at NY Jets
Indianapolis at San Francisco
Jacksonville at Seattle
Chicago at Pittsburgh
MON, SEP 23
Oakland at Denver
DeaconKnowledge
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You assume Shanahan gives a shit.
Missing on draft classes and not bringing in anyone productive. Maybe its time for Colbert to gtfo
You think he doesn't care about winning?
I noticed that albeit in a small amount during Redzone. The Eagles drew up the blueprint in Week 1, and Capers took it to a new level and it worked flawlessly.
Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't it, essentially, even more than 26% of the time if you're only taking the first half into account? By that I mean didn't the Pack lay back in the second half more and go into garbage time D, and blitz less often then?
manfestival
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I think it might be a good time to do an avatar bet to the bucs destroying the pats this weekend
DeaconKnowledge
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He doesn't care about RGIII, so in a way, yes.
Coldnoodle
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storybook77
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THU, SEP 19
Kansas City at Philadelphia
SUN, SEP 22
Green Bay at Cincinnati
St. Louis at Dallas
San Diego at Tennessee
Cleveland at Minnesota
Tampa Bay at New England
Arizona at New Orleans
Detroit at Washington
NY Giants at Carolina
Houston at Baltimore
Atlanta at Miami
Buffalo at NY Jets
Indianapolis at San Francisco
Jacksonville at Seattle
Chicago at Pittsburgh
MON, SEP 23
Oakland at Denver
If he truly did, he'd be starting Cousins.
Also, any takers for a week long avatar bet Dolphins fans?
Kansas City at Philadelphia
SUN, SEP 22
Green Bay at Cincinnati
St. Louis at Dallas
San Diego at Tennessee
Cleveland at Minnesota
Tampa Bay at New England
Arizona at New Orleans
Detroit at Washington
NY Giants at Carolina
Houston at Baltimore
Atlanta at Miami
Buffalo at NY Jets
Indianapolis at San Francisco
Jacksonville at Seattle
Chicago at Pittsburgh
MON, SEP 23
Oakland at Denver
If he truly did, he'd be starting Cousins.
Also, any takers for a week long avatar bet Dolphins fans?
Buckethead
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Hard to see the crossing route with Matthews in your butt. That's giving Dalton the benefit of the doubt.
I'd go post/slant all day, if I were attacking the D, though. Underbelly is so soft.
He was scrambling right, threw across his body, and Shields broke it up.
It was a solid play by Shields but he never should have made it. RG3 had next to no power and stability in that leg.
Tape don't lie.
I had a long post about why Capers will probably play two deep safeties leaving them open to tight ends but it got eaten.
It was brilliant work.
This makes no sense. The reason he rushed RGIII onto the field is because he was desperate to win. My point was that teams have essentially zero respect for Griffin right now and that should be a red flag that you can't win with such a shitty QB.
It was brilliant work.
This makes no sense. The reason he rushed RGIII onto the field is because he was desperate to win. My point was that teams have essentially zero respect for Griffin right now and that should be a red flag that you can't win with such a shitty QB.
DeaconKnowledge
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RGIII is shitty because he wasn't ready to come back, yet Shanahan trotted him out there anyway. The end result is predictable.
Enjoy Revis Bitching!!!!
Buckethead
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Don't they always?
Bradford looks like he had a big day until you realize he had 55 passing attempts.
I've been pretty happy with the corners, actually. Asante has played all of 10 snaps through two games, and the rookies have held up really well. McClain had a rough go of it last week, according to story. Decoud has had a rough two games, which is surprising, considering how consistent he was the last two seasons. Moore has been a baller, though.
It comes down to generating pressure. I'm actually excited to see Massquoi get more playing time with Biermann out of the picture. Osi is probably excited to see Jonathan Martin this weekend.
I am concerned with Holmes facing off against Wake when he lines up on the left side of the defensive line.
I expect a one score game, honestly.
Nope
DeaconKnowledge
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That's the thing. Teams are going to make RGIII prove he can use that knee. Shanahan knows he can't. Why put him out there?
He's even still running the read option when everyone knows Griffin ain't running it. Terrible coaching.
I think Dutch's NFL thread making privileges should be revoked. This shit is embarrassing.
That game last night was so strange, watching the Bengals out Steeler the Steelers. That one rushing touchdown the Bengals RB ran over and or pushed several Steelers into the endzone from like 5 yards out.
Neither QB was accurate at all down the field, saw a lot of throws 5 yards out of bounds.
That game last night was so strange, watching the Bengals out Steeler the Steelers. That one rushing touchdown the Bengals RB ran over and or pushed several Steelers into the endzone from like 5 yards out.
Neither QB was accurate at all down the field, saw a lot of throws 5 yards out of bounds.
yankeehater
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I hope the Eagles are calling the Bills nonstop now about Bryd. I cant imagine there is a team with a position more dire then Eagles safety. The CBs have actually not been completely terrible but the Safeties cant cover anyone and when they try to come up and hit a receiver they totally miss the tackle. Nate Allen has been worse this year then even last year, and he was terrible last year. Eagles have to get new safeties some how. They tried the rookie Wolfe on Sunday but he cant cover at all. Every time Gates was matched up against him he got wide open. Chung cant cover at all either. I bet a 1 legged Kenny Phillips would do a better job then what they are putting out there now.
The_Darkest_Red
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Just watched the entirety of the Falcons-Rams game. I agree with you on the Falcons secondary, it wasn't as bad as I expected from looking at the box score beforehand.
Jonathan Martin hasn't been bad, actually. Didn't give up a single sack last game. The biggest problem is the right side of the line, John Jerry and (incoming Talon chuckle) Tyson Clabo.
Honestly I'm worried that the Dolphins pass rush won't even be a huge factor after watching that Rams game. Ryan tends to release the ball so quickly and it's amazing how fast his receivers get through their routes (like the play where Julio runs a streak from the slot). Not only that, I saw a ton of WR screens and quick dump offs to Jackson. Quite frankly the Atlanta offense terrifies me, so many weapons and the only thing that seems to stop them is penalties or unforced errors. Good luck, Grimes and co.
On the topic of the Rams, does anyone throw more quick slants than Sam Bradford? My goodness. Rams O was difficult to watch for the entirety of the first half, and that Richardson drop that turned into a TD the other way was just painful. Can't imagine how that felt to a Rams fan after the way the game had gone up to that point.
Byrd is amazing but I hope they can get a good return.
ScottSullivan
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Niners gonna bounce back big time against Mr.Luck.
Cameron wake is a beast, those were nice sacks
Cameron wake is a beast, those were nice sacks
DeaconKnowledge
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Couple of other things:
Worilds is useless on the Right, but he's serviceable on the Left. I actually mistook him for Woodley on a pressure to Dalton on the left side.
Steelers are getting pressure again. Nice to see. Hopefully it will turn into sacks and turnovers down the road.
AJ Green's stat line - 6 catches for 41 yards, 14 targets.
Clark has one foot out the door already. Golden needs to get up to speed.
Worilds is useless on the Right, but he's serviceable on the Left. I actually mistook him for Woodley on a pressure to Dalton on the left side.
Steelers are getting pressure again. Nice to see. Hopefully it will turn into sacks and turnovers down the road.
AJ Green's stat line - 6 catches for 41 yards, 14 targets.
Clark has one foot out the door already. Golden needs to get up to speed.
I kinda hope Hoyer gets the start. I was more impressed with him in preseason from what I saw.
We'll also see how well this run defense is against the best in the game. I know I'll be shit on for being optimistic but with Christian Ponder QBing I feel we may have a good shot at winning this if we keep AP out of the endzone.
We'll also see how well this run defense is against the best in the game. I know I'll be shit on for being optimistic but with Christian Ponder QBing I feel we may have a good shot at winning this if we keep AP out of the endzone.
yankeehater
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He is only signed for this year right? I have no idea what fair return is but the Eagles have to do something. Neither one of their safeties would start for any other NFL team.
Lmao.
You can't simply look at stats and come to a conclusion. Merely looking at stats doesn't tell you that a lot of those were 3rd and longs after miserable run plays, end arounds with Cotchery, ineffective screens/dump offs/quick lateral passes/etc. It doesn't show you that the WRs failed to get separation. It doesn't show you that WRs were dropping balls. It doesn't show that half of them were rushed under duress due to shoddy blocking.
Ben didn't play well, but that doesn't change the fact that Haley called a shit game. Our best moments were in the no huddle when Haley was taken out of the equation.
He Got franchise tagged this year. Thought we could next year too, but if he doesn't wanna be here trade him
DeaconKnowledge
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What I looked at was Ben floating passes over receivers heads, one of which leaded to the game clinching interception.
If there's anything I hate it's the massive effort by Steelers age to make excuses for Ben. Ben played like absolute garbage with the passes that he told Haley he wanted.
The_Darkest_Red
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You'd better stop with that. Up until now you Steelers fans were doing a great job of protecting the "everything is a problem but the WR's" narrative.
DeaconKnowledge
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It's cute that you keep pushing this. Think Wallace was catching those balls 5 feet over the receivers heads?
Elfforkusu
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I expect the same.
Single high will be an interesting option against most offenses once both Hayward and Burnett get back.
The_Darkest_Red
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Don't get me wrong, Ben sucks too! But it's hard to believe that it's all his fault when a deep bomb to Cotchery ends up incomplete.
I'm not making excuses for him. I'm telling it like it is. He played horribly, but his team and coaching staff didn't help. You seem adamant on putting much of the blame on him, and that's just horse shit, especially when you let Haley off the hook with the two horse shit offensive game plans he's thrown together in the last two weeks.
storybook77
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Holmes seems to be improving. I expected some growing pains with him.
Baker has been getting his shit pushed in both games, so that's more concerning to me.
At least if Holmes lets someone loose, Ryan has a chance to see it coming.
Go Warmack. JJ Watt is obviously awesome, and Warmack acknowledges that he's very talented, but there's no reason to kneel down at your opponent's alter after a narrow loss. Stupid post by Pro Football Talk.
yankeehater
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You really dont think having a legit deep threat would improve the offense at all? No Steeler WR scares teams or forces the safeties to back up. I get that Wallace got crazy money but he definitely added a dimension that they no longer have without him.
manfestival
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hmmm uhhhhhhhhhh
DeaconKnowledge
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So it's Haley's fault that Ben missed those passes by a mile?
Don't get me wrong, Haley shares blame in this too (specifically, they flat out abandoned the run after the half) but Haley isn't throwing to the receivers. Haley isn't the one not following his wide open blocks on 3rd and 1. The team's execution sucks and the number one offender is Roethlisberger.
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