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NFL 2014 Week 4 |OT| Hell is Empty and All The Devils Are Here
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The Albatross
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Here's the thing with the Patriots and Brady, and his decline. The Patriots organization pinched pennies, spent money in the wrong place, and did not come up with a plan for when Brady aged. They cut corners on the offensive line, cut corners at wide receiver, and did not gameplan around a 1,000+ yard back. In those years, Brady got crushed. Pats fans who have watched every game over the last 2 years have seen a Brady who was very different than his early career, he sees ghosts, he ducks, he doesn't stand as tall in the pocket... And why? Because:
Brady got hit 81 times in 2013, sacked 40 times. It's actually a good hit:sack ratio compared to some other players... But Peyton Manning was hit only 50 times in 2013. Brady was hit 67 times in 2012. Manning, 46. This season, Brady is the most hit quarterback.
At some point -- when your QB reaches age 36, 37, 38 -- these numbers add up. And when you have no weapons, no commitment to running the ball, no offensive line, and a frenetic over-thinking gameplan, your nearly 38-year-old quarterback is going to suffer.
Yeah, people are insane if they think that Brady is not starting next week and generally every week for the rest of the season. If you put Jimmy Garoppolo out there with this offensive line and lack of weapons, it's not going to be any different.
The Patriots need to establish a running game and then those 2 TE, 2 WR sets will be a lot more threatening. This is the direction they were going in in 2012, and it looked like they had a solid foundation for the future by taking the air off the ball and focusing on 2 TE, run, playaction offense. Hernandez murdering those people threw that gameplan off, but they need to go back to it.
Brady got hit 81 times in 2013, sacked 40 times. It's actually a good hit:sack ratio compared to some other players... But Peyton Manning was hit only 50 times in 2013. Brady was hit 67 times in 2012. Manning, 46. This season, Brady is the most hit quarterback.
At some point -- when your QB reaches age 36, 37, 38 -- these numbers add up. And when you have no weapons, no commitment to running the ball, no offensive line, and a frenetic over-thinking gameplan, your nearly 38-year-old quarterback is going to suffer.
Yeah, people are insane if they think that Brady is not starting next week and generally every week for the rest of the season. If you put Jimmy Garoppolo out there with this offensive line and lack of weapons, it's not going to be any different.
The Patriots need to establish a running game and then those 2 TE, 2 WR sets will be a lot more threatening. This is the direction they were going in in 2012, and it looked like they had a solid foundation for the future by taking the air off the ball and focusing on 2 TE, run, playaction offense. Hernandez murdering those people threw that gameplan off, but they need to go back to it.
Most people who talk shit have a losers mentality. The better the team the bigger the target. It took longer to become such a target for the pats given their run of success. Still unsure how it held up as it has with Bill fucking it up the way he has.
I had a 15-point lead in fantasy coming into today. I had Travis Kelce going tonight, while my opponent had Stevan Ridley, Rob Gronkowski, Julian Edelman, and the Pats D/ST. I figured I was fucked. But not only did I win, I actually outscored him tonight with just Kelce. Thanks Pats D and Brady!
I'm psyched for the royals to be honest. I'm hoping it's sustainable.
Mackenzie 92
Member
that was a helluva thing to watch haha
sad thing is, the raiders felt good about themselves for keeping it close with the pats last week.
sad thing is, the raiders felt good about themselves for keeping it close with the pats last week.
Goro Majima
Kitty Genovese Member
Gata got the OT thread locked 
NervousXtian
Thought Emoji Movie was good. Take that as you will.
Brady is shook in there.. it's pretty clear whats going on.. he has zero faith in his O-line.. .and he shouldn't they are terrible. Those last 2 INT's are on him.. but by that point he was pressing and that was just a bad idea... but early in the game he was given zero time.
The Patriots are a mess... no deep threat... Vereen isn't a great RB... Gronk isn't quite Gronk yet.. the O-Line is one of the worst in the league.. their D-Line isn't getting any pressure. Gonna be a long year.
The Patriots are a mess... no deep threat... Vereen isn't a great RB... Gronk isn't quite Gronk yet.. the O-Line is one of the worst in the league.. their D-Line isn't getting any pressure. Gonna be a long year.
Alligatorjandro
Banned
Elfforkusu
Member
Brady has been finicky since he got his knee blown up in '08. It's not a new event.
His decline is simple: his arm is dead.
Clockwork5
Member
Why is it the offense? I get the turnovers but the Chiefs scored 41 points. Pats D is even worse.
Go Chiefs!
Go Royals!
Go Chiefs!
Go Royals!
You have to at least project a winner to be considered a fraud. Pats look fucking awful across the board. I hope they trade Tom, really his bounce back would have a ton of people surprised I truly believe that. Nobody would succeed with this team right now.
Doug Heffernan
Member
Listening to Boston sports radio tomorrow is going to be glorious!
Fuck that Pats.
Maybe now they'll actually talk some Bruins hockey.
Fuck that Pats.
Maybe now they'll actually talk some Bruins hockey.
Clockwork5
Member
I'm off to Arrowhead Pride. Thanks for an entertaining night, NFL-Gaf.
The Artful Dodger
Member
My fantasy team won!
TAMMY BRADY'S VAGINA WON with Dwayne bowe on the lineup...it's poetic.
TAMMY BRADY'S VAGINA WON with Dwayne bowe on the lineup...it's poetic.
The_Darkest_Red
Member
Go back and look at some preseason SB picks or power rankings. I don't think many people expected this out of the Pats.
That said, season is still young. They'll bounce back to some degree I'm sure.
Alligatorjandro
Banned
Cunts
Yup that simple... not that they have the worst o-line in the league, not that they had 3 total WR starting the game, 1 of which is a ST specialist and another who is garbage. Has nothing to do with them having no talent at the RB position. Has nothing to do with Gronk being a shell of himself. Has nothing to do with trading your best player on the line (not saying much), and emotional leader on the line a few days before the season started. Nothing to do with any of this, everything to do with brady's arm.
COME AFTER ME"!!!
TheOhrenberger.
Banned
The difference is Bledsoe didn't have the resume that Brady does. And Brady didn't play in garbage time. I'm not saying that we won't see a day when Jimmy G makes a start, but if you think it's happening on sunday night I think you're delusional. I'll gladly eat my words if I'm wrong though.
I predicted they would lose on another forum where I write about football there too. I do not have to do anything you write, that is just a weird suggestion.
Edit: I should say that, the power rankings had New England highly ranked all year and preseason.
The Albatross
Member
I disagree, I mean, obviously to an extent. Obviously he's not going to have the same season in 2007, which at the time was the best offensive season of all time, but he's declined more dramatically in the beginning of last year and the first four games this season.
Obviously, his physical skills deteriorate with age, like how Peyton Manning throws as many lame ducks in a game as any QB, but the big difference is having players who can get open and having an offensive line to protect the aged QB. I've watched every Patriots game in full over the last ~20+ years, and Brady's problem -- while definitely physical to a degree -- is also that the Patriots organization has put nothing around him since 2009, and have just assumed that they'll win because Tom Brady is the QB (which has worked pretty well thus far).
That kid go for an ass grab?
slightconfuse
Banned
Steve is fired up
Clockwork5
Member
And the police sirens have begun in KC...
HarryDemeanor
Member
My favorite post is this.Gata got the OT thread locked
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=132237038&postcount=63
outunderthestars said:
I thought the title was spot on.
I had my concerns for sure after some pre-season reports, so don't lock me in with that. The pats didn't project themselves as that either. To be a "fraud" you have to have a record that out plays your teams ability. You could argue that .500 is too high for the pats, but it matches up fine with the compeition they've played. They're a bottom tier team, that will have ugly games against other poor teams, and get crushed by above average teams.
I feel bad for Chiefs fans, next week will hurt, because nothing against the chiefs, the pats are TERRIBLE. It probably is relieving considering this same team lost to that titans team so bad, but honestly right now there are not many teams worse than the pats, and nobody is worse than how they played tonight.
Alligatorjandro
Banned
No reason this team should play this bad
ramoisdead
Member
Belichick post game interview. Dis gun b gud.
Starphoenix
Member
Bill doesn't pull of this brevity routine very well. Could take some tips from Poppovich.
Goro Majima
Kitty Genovese Member
No one has the balls to ask about replacing Brady?
Link
The Autumn Wind
I hate the Wildcard play-in game. It should be a 3-game series at least.
Clockwork5
Member
Man.... Even Bill seems humbled.
TheOhrenberger.
Banned
No ones that dumb.
Doug Heffernan
Member
It shouldn't exist.
Jay Glazer @JayGlazer
Breaking: Raiders have just informed Dennis Allen he is fired.
https://twitter.com/JayGlazer/status/516791986029101056
Breaking: Raiders have just informed Dennis Allen he is fired.
https://twitter.com/JayGlazer/status/516791986029101056
The Albatross
Member
Yeah, it's not happening.
Unless there is an injury or the wheels completely fall off and you have 4 of these games like tonight, Brady is starting every game for the rest of the season. Let's remember, the Patriots just got completely spanked for 60-minutes ... and they're still tied for first place in their horrible division. Brady's not going anywhere.
Also, most non-Patriots fans don't remember 2000 and 2001. Patriots fans had a love/hate relationship with Drew Bledsoe. Hell, there were chants for Michael Bishop in 1998, and Rohan Davey ("He was the NFL Europe MVP!"). Brady came out of nowhere for every other fan in the NFL, but he was the clear #2 coming out of preseason in 2001, and Bledsoe had been running on fumes for a couple years at that point. Even without the injury, that season, there's a likelihood that Brady would have taken snaps as a starter. They wouldn't have made the playoffs or won the Super Bowl, of course.