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NFL 2016 Offseason Thread |OT2| No Country for Old Members
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Future PhaZe
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The damage of these trades gets overstated but this was really really an odd draft to make a play like this
Yeah remember when he traded all those picks away for Marcus?
You win the trade if whatever you get in return works in your favor and makes you better.
No one won the Rams-Racists trade. And if people still insist on naming a winner, Racists are still in better shape today than the Rams.
BlackGhost
Banned
So this is the outcome of it leaking that Texans like Dak. Jokes on you Mech!
But really the best thing that can happen is if the Rams announce who they want today. So Browns can focus on the other guy or start taking trade offers
But really the best thing that can happen is if the Rams announce who they want today. So Browns can focus on the other guy or start taking trade offers
What's with you shitting this thread up with logic? Didn't you know draft picks are gold, worth more than even proven good players, and thus you can't trade any away!!!
I'd be super happy had the Eagles moved up had they not resigned Bradford and brought in Chase. They could still now nab a decent prospect in later rounds but who gives a shit what you give up if you get your franchise QB in return? You can fill holes from later rounds, waiver wire, or developing your own.
Like I wouldn't be mad at all if the Eagles gave up 4-5 picks from the later rounds to consolidate all their picks to rounds 1-3.
So this is the outcome of it leaking that Texans like Dak. Jokes on you Mech!
But really the best thing that can happen is if the Rams announce who they want today. So Browns can focus on the other guy or start taking trade offers
You're welcome. Dont know how this really effects the Steelers though
Goro Majima
Kitty Genovese Member
Nah I think the winner of the trade is still determined before those picks are used in most situations. I still see that trade as RG3 vs all those picks just like this is a trade for Goff/Wentz vs picks.
The problem is that St Louis didn't have very successful drafts as a result. A smart and capable GM and scouting staff brings home a haul in those situations. So in my eyes St Louis won the trade itself but then fucked up their assets.
BlackGhost
Banned
Seriously announce the pick today Rams
Grover Cleveland
Member
Now I haven't followed the draft at all (because fuck football), but I did watch like a half a quarter of Cal FB.
I like Goff with #1
I like Goff with #1
Goro Majima
Kitty Genovese Member
Also the part where you basically needlessly commit to a liability publicly when shit can go south before draft day.
Toss up really, Chargers really need O Line help. But CB is also a need and Ramsey is a special talent. I'd personally prefer they take Ramsey to keep him from Cowboys. If that happens I wonder how far Tunsil falls, probably to 6 at best. Can't see the Ravens passing him up
BlackGhost
Banned
Just quote me ignorant sloot.
and to be nice to me. They have no one ahead of them, begin contract negotiations. Courtesy to me!
In all honestly we're all gonna find out what the pick is probably soon one way or the other
Edit: Presser is at 4pm
yankeehater
Member
If the Titans would have taken this last year the Eagles would have done it in a second. The Rams really didnt give up all that much at all, the problem for them is that neither guy this year is close to as good a prospect as the 2 QBs where last year
JAC can pick Tunsil even though they do need defensive help. Wasn't Joeckel a rumor in trades?
So this is the outcome of it leaking that Texans like Dak. Jokes on you Mech!
But really the best thing that can happen is if the Rams announce who they want today. So Browns can focus on the other guy or start taking trade offers
Why would we want Dak? He's unimpressive.
*Back hands BG's face
So now the #2 pick is very intriguing. Reports that Browns want Goff. Reports they don't want a QB and looking to trade down.
Reports Eagles looking to move up. Maybe SF.
Man if the Eagles really aren't in the top 10 for a QB, there is great chance that the player they really want just drops to them at 8. Depends on who that is. If they are targeting OL, could Tunsil drop to them?
Reports Eagles looking to move up. Maybe SF.
Man if the Eagles really aren't in the top 10 for a QB, there is great chance that the player they really want just drops to them at 8. Depends on who that is. If they are targeting OL, could Tunsil drop to them?
Officerrob
Banned
Unless the Rams get better at drafting offensive players, the QB is irrelevant
Their entire offense outside of Gurley is pretty trash
Dont chargers need OL bad? They should take Tunsil probly
It's possible, I just can't imagine the Jags passing on Jack. He's a perfect combo of BPA and need for them
So much for this.....
I'm sure one day you'll find another QB who wears 16
Right I meant overall I wouldn't give a shit about what they give up to move up if the prospect demanded it.
I'd much rather have Marcus as the QB today then Bradford or Chase as possible starters. If that also meant including Cox, then so be it. QB above all.
That's a lot of compensation the Rams gave up for that pick. To the trade chart!
So, 15 to 1 is 1950 points.
43rd pick = 470
45th pick = 450
76th pick = 210
Future 1st rounder = 1000
Future 3rd rounder = 200
Minus their return
113th pick = 68
177th pick = 20
Total = -112 (or around a mid 4th rounder)
According to the chart, the trade is pretty close. It's dependent, of course, on the Rams' finishing position this season.
So, 15 to 1 is 1950 points.
43rd pick = 470
45th pick = 450
76th pick = 210
Future 1st rounder = 1000
Future 3rd rounder = 200
Minus their return
113th pick = 68
177th pick = 20
Total = -112 (or around a mid 4th rounder)
According to the chart, the trade is pretty close. It's dependent, of course, on the Rams' finishing position this season.
Telvin Smith is a similar player I thought as Jack but having two of those dudes on defense is appetizing. That said, it's a good question because if Joeckel isn't the answer at LT, and Tunsil's available, you take him and forget about that spot for a long time. There's your franchise QB's blindside protection.
I want the Giants to desperately to get Jack and this might help. Though worried about Eagles grabbing him.
AbortedWalrusFetus
Member
Man what were the lambs thinking? That is an awful trade. Sent to a new city to die.
They need other draft picks to do that. They don't have them anymore.
They need other draft picks to do that. They don't have them anymore.
Telvin Smith is a similar player I thought as Jack but having two of those dudes on defense is appetizing. That said, it's a good question because if Joeckel isn't the answer at LT, and Tunsil's available, you take him and forget about that spot for a long time. There's your franchise QB's blindside protection.
I want the Giants to desperately to get Jack and this might help. Though worried about Eagles grabbing him.
I think if he is there at 8 and the other top talents are CB, OT, or RB, the Eagles run to the podium to get Jack.
I'd love to see him in the Eagles green.
I want the Giants to desperately to get Jack and this might help. Though worried about Eagles grabbing him.
Jack and Ramsey will be gone before the Eagles pick at 8. Dallas could get Ramsey, though. If they get the draft's best player by staying put at 4, Jerry better build Jordan Hicks a statue
I think the Jags have to go defense, even if Tunsil is there
But why is it awful? Titans have their franchise QB so they can afford to move back and get best OT or BPA at their new spot.
Plus butt load of picks to build around and for Marcus.
Rams don't have a QB. And that means you have nothing, no chance. So they give up 4-5 players from this draft + next years (combined), but in return they get a franchise QB (potentially). I think its worth the potential of a franchise QB vs 4-5 players at other spots when they have a higher chance of being wasted picks.
Plus new CBA and rookie wage scale makes it so easy to take a QB at 1 and move on from him if needed within 2-3 years.
Dutch Gronk
Banned
Futurevoid
Member
Especially with the rookie wage cap in place. Had it been years ago when you had to shell out 50-60 million dollars for a first round pick it was far more debilitating than it is now.
Alligatorjandro
Banned
I'm mildly interested in the draft
AbortedWalrusFetus
Member
It's great for the Titans.
Rams don't have a QB true, but they don't have a draft left to rebuild the team around him for two years, and this years QB crop isn't earth shattering. I wouldn't spend that much to move up to get a QB that isn't even NFL ready. I don't buy that other ones have a "higher chance of being wasted picks" either.
Telvin Smith is a similar player I thought as Jack but having two of those dudes on defense is appetizing. That said, it's a good question because if Joeckel isn't the answer at LT, and Tunsil's available, you take him and forget about that spot for a long time. There's your franchise QB's blindside protection.
I want the Giants to desperately to get Jack and this might help. Though worried about Eagles grabbing him.
Yeah Jacksonville has a pretty good offense, they just had no defense last year. This FA they went out and spent a bunch to shore up the DLine and Secondary, so adding Jack would complement Smith like you said and solidify their D.
And unfortunately there's no way Jack gets to 8, much less 10, unless something crazy happens. Eagles are probably going to need to trade up to get him, which I'd be fine with. But no way Jack makes it past the Eagles, we're in a similar spot where he would be the BPA and fill need. Our LB starters are Nigel Bradham, Jordan Hicks, and Kendricks. Hicks and Kendricks are injury prone, and adding Jack for depth/eventually take over Kendricks would be amazing
I am just going by the #s. What % of picks ever make or exceed their expectations? Even teams who draft well year in and out have busts and only 1-2 impact players emerge outof the bunch they select.
The trick is those teams that "draft well" usually have a franchise QB set who can cover up some of the mistakes, lack of talent, and blemishes. Just look at the Rams. They picked up how many picks from the RG3 trade? How did that work out for them?
Crazy trade.
I still hope they land Tyrod/Kaep in that order, but if they don't I'd be okay with adding another guy like Keenum and a rookie and letting them battle it out.
Really, I'd like to see them continue to stack up on D and just destroy QBs. If we can get roughly the same production on D, with a slight uptick on O... they should be fine. Still the deepest D in the division and maybe the league.
Wonder how true this is official graphic and all...
I still hope they land Tyrod/Kaep in that order, but if they don't I'd be okay with adding another guy like Keenum and a rookie and letting them battle it out.
Really, I'd like to see them continue to stack up on D and just destroy QBs. If we can get roughly the same production on D, with a slight uptick on O... they should be fine. Still the deepest D in the division and maybe the league.
Wonder how true this is official graphic and all...
So much for this.....
Never fear. SF will trade with CLE for the 2nd pick, similar deal to what the Titans just got.
Ninja Scooter
Member
How interested? On a scale of 1 to a really hot cousin?
AbortedWalrusFetus
Member
What happens when it's the QB who busts after you give up a draft and a half for them?
Here's the other thing about this trade that is bothersome to me. Nearly every expert I've seen talk about Wentz or Goff has said that they need a year on the bench. They are not players who can come in and make a difference year one. What is the value of the 2017 1st round pick going to be when you literally have not been able to draft a single difference maker for your team in 2016? Their record is likely going to be WORSE than 2016, not better, so the value of that #1 could be much higher. It's not impossible that they are the bottom of the NFC west next year. If they didn't have those fluke wins over the Seahawks and Cardinals last year they'd be in the basement. I still have no clue how the Seahawks dropped those two games.
First pick traditionally has been known, they usually agree to a deal before the draft.
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