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NFL 2016 Week 10 |OT| - The Dream is Dead.
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Yeah, Bengals fans know that.
Goro Majima
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The Niners were good, got bad for forever, got good again, and are now bad.....since the Bengals were last totally relevant.
I have already done a pretty good job of setting myself up for some bad karma with this week's OP.
sf2fanatic
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Stop lying, old
Corran Horn
May the Schwartz be with you
Man ESPN commentary so bad now without Tirico
BlackGhost
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When u called this OP I knew exactly what You were about to do lol
Futurevoid
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I got nothing on how Collins has gotten as good as he has. Eating mountains of crow for hating the pick and doubting the player. I can't remember seeing a player on the Giants jump to such a level after a relatively forgettable first year. It's what you want, but still blown away by it.
DeaconKnowledge
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Quoting this because i'm legit curious.
Futurevoid
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Don't think it's an issue. It's just the fanbase. MetLife has hosted a myriad of concerts with no issues, etc.
It's um.
1. Lack of people, stadium was kinda not filled tonight.
I'm not getting home till 1 am and work is still there. Monday night games sucks for that reason.
2. Stadium is twice the siz of the meadowlands but holds the same amount.
Sweeney Tom
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BG we doin it!!
BG's cut tho....
Ninja Scooter
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Lee Chaolan
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Nemesis121
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Watching that game was painful in another way, I got the Flu everytime i sneeze my entire body hurts, also sleep deprived can't sleep with this flu..
Seattle's defense would murder Eli worse than the 2011 Niners did. Hart and Flowerd had solid games but they really need Pugh back. Cruz, too, because Lewis isn't ready.
Grover Cleveland
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CrocMother
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Fucking Bungles...
DeaconKnowledge
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Savage.
Love Cris - best commentator/analyst in the biz.
Anyway, Eagles have no shot at the division or wildcard. Even when they have impressive wins, the rest of the division also wins out.
The those terrible losses to Detroit , Dallas, and NY Giants are going to cost them the season. And those losses are all on Doug Pederson.
Doug Pederson threw two terrible passes to gift the Giants a 14-0 lead to start the game?
Wildcard is easily in the plans since the entirety of the NFC North is a dumpster fire, and the NFC South should be right around the Eagles. And he only blew the Dallas game, Wentz spotted the Giants 14 points early and Mathews fumbled the game away in Detroit. Plus, considering we were thinking this was maybe a 6 win team before the season started, I'll gladly take the wildcard
VeryGooster
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Good effort from Newhouse considering he was shifted a lot between LG and jumbo TE.
DRC only played 14 snaps last night. Wow.
DRC only played 14 snaps last night. Wow.
They will likely have to go 10-6 to have a shot at a Wild Card spot since they will probably lose a tiebreaker. Can they go 5-2 the rest of the way? Doubtful. Their offense isn't good enough.
Which is fine, because as you say, this was supposed to be a rebuilding year. So I'll gladly take 8-8 and then look to improve the talent level on offense this offseason and go into next year with much better skill position players and a QB and head coach with one solid season already under their belt.
CrocMother
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Redskins will probably end your playoff hopes for the third straight year.
Yeah, but I think we can win out at home. This team is playing differently at home vs the road, and 3 of them are divisional games. We should've pulled out Dallas and Giants, and against Washington that was Big V's first game ever, he's really settled in. The Packers look very beatable too, so I'm going to assume they can sweep at home. Then they would just need 1 road win. Seattle isn't going to happen, especially since it's that time of the year where Russell goes god mode, but I think they could take off a win from either the Ravens or Bengals and sneak in. Though considering how they've played on the road, it'll probably be a 1st round bounce.
But I'm really encouraged but what I've seen this year. An offense devoid of talent outside of Sproles is doing just enough to win when the defense plays well. Bradham, McLeod and Brandon Brooks were all fantastic offseason signings, and even putting Wentz aside the draft class looks pretty good, with potentially 4 starters aside from him. If they can grab a WR in FA and have another draft class like 2016 we'll be in really good shape.
Maybe but we'll see. This team just plays differently at home, and our RT isn't the massive liability he was in that game.
CrocMother
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There's a pretty decent chance that Week 17 could be meaningless for the Cowboys. That being said, you could be facing Tony Romo lmao
Yeah I'll excuse the rookie QB who the dumbass coach keeps pushing to pass all the time.
This past game they actually stuck to running the ball and all 3 backs were heavily involved and they were able to dominate the line of scrimmage. When Pederson goes full Reid with a rookie QB and so so WRs, it doesn't lead to the best results.
Also Wentz threw those picks but the rest of the game was dominated by horrible coaching decisions like going for three 4th downs with some of the most bizarre play calls I have ever seen.
yankeehater
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Yeah I cant believe someone actually watched that game and then tried to sick up for dougie. He was terrible and absolutely cost them that game. Giving up points twice on the road against a divisional opponent is fucking crazy. Doug being afraid to kick the Fg against Dallas cost them that game, and him being to aggressive against the Giants cost that game.
Despite the record, the Saints are now a good team. The offense has always been top 3, but the defense has come a long way in the last few weeks. The main difference has been the return of Dannell Ellerbe to WLB and Breaux and our other 1 and 2nd string corners. It really opens up the defensive play book when you have a linebacker who is good in coverage combined with more reliable corners. I am not saying the Saints defense is even in the top of the league, just that now they are average and have been getting key stops and giving up fewer points per game. There is a huge difference between being the 29th ranked defense and being an average defense.
Coulda woulda shoulda and all that, but the Saints gave up 4 turnovers and still almost won that game. And if you look at that blocked extra point, that was clearly a designed play to cheat and hope you get away with it. The guy lined up opposite the right guard, holds the long snappers head down so the other guy can hurdle him unrestricted. According to NFL rules, that is an illegal by my reading of rule 12 section 1 article 6 or 7. You are not allowed to intentionally contact above the neck area (article 7) or pull a offensive player out of the way so another player can shoot the gap (article 6.)
Too many things have to go right for the Saints to make the playoffs for that to be a likely outcome, but we are a great spoiler team going forward.
Coulda woulda shoulda and all that, but the Saints gave up 4 turnovers and still almost won that game. And if you look at that blocked extra point, that was clearly a designed play to cheat and hope you get away with it. The guy lined up opposite the right guard, holds the long snappers head down so the other guy can hurdle him unrestricted. According to NFL rules, that is an illegal by my reading of rule 12 section 1 article 6 or 7. You are not allowed to intentionally contact above the neck area (article 7) or pull a offensive player out of the way so another player can shoot the gap (article 6.)
Too many things have to go right for the Saints to make the playoffs for that to be a likely outcome, but we are a great spoiler team going forward.
At the end of the 2Q, MIN scored TDs on 3 straight drives, throwing for 10-12 for 156 yards. In the 3Q they threw just one pass, a 9 yard completion. Coaching has been doing some bed shitting.
Pretty clear that Zimmer is exerting a lot of influence on his coaches. He wants to run the ball, whether it works or not
Pretty clear that Zimmer is exerting a lot of influence on his coaches. He wants to run the ball, whether it works or not
I don't mind the aggressive calls. I actually prefer going for it and admire that about Doug.
But the calls for those situations were horrendous. 4th and 2 and you run a QB option play? Then run it again later in the game on another 4th down? 4th and 1 and you run a sweep play with Sproles?
That game prior against Dallas, he was afraid to let Sturgis kick a 52 yd fg after he already made a 55 yd kick. Also called like a million bubble screens which Wentz either always throws at the WR feet or over their head. The rare times they connected, the WRs would either lose yards or have no gain. That game reminded me of Todd Pinkston so much
Interesting little article about the McCarthy/Rodgers relationship. Although it apparently ignores the fact that Rodgers has been taking passive shots at McCarthy since the Seattle NFC Championship Game
Absolutely disgusting. Collinsworth is Joe Buck tier bad.
Absolutely disgusting. Collinsworth is Joe Buck tier bad.
If Romo is looking better than Dak in practice and the coaches/Jerruh still decide to go with Dak, they are putting a unnecessary ceiling on the season. The better player should play, Romo deserves the opportunity to demonstrate if he is the better QB. Dak is what he is in terms of mechanics. You need an off-season to improve, it is not going to happen mid-season. He is going to still miss with his ball placement, and he is definitely not going to see the field as well as Romo this year, (who knows if he will ever get to Romo's level).
If you are subscribing with the hot hand philosophy, what happens when Dak struggles? You pull him for Romo? Can't play QB looking over your shoulder, bad games happen, and you want to fuck with a young QBs confidence? Pull the kid, tell him "Hey, this team is yours in the future, but right now Romo is the guy. Good job, sit back and learn."
If you are subscribing with the hot hand philosophy, what happens when Dak struggles? You pull him for Romo? Can't play QB looking over your shoulder, bad games happen, and you want to fuck with a young QBs confidence? Pull the kid, tell him "Hey, this team is yours in the future, but right now Romo is the guy. Good job, sit back and learn."
yankeehater
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You have a chance to get Dak extremely valuable playoff experience this year. Cowboys are not a SB team with Romo anyways so it seem crazy to me to pull Dak for him. I really hope that they do it though.
DeaconKnowledge
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You spoke about ceilings, Romo is 36 years old and coming of yet another injury. Do you run the risk of taking Dak out, only to put him back in again if Romo gets re-injured? It happened last season..
I know Romo's your guy Farooq, but the reality is Romo may never start in Dallas again.
Agreed. This criticism may be seen as homerish, but Dak has come down to earth in recent weeks. Had Pederson done the smart thing and kicked the FG, Cowboys would've lost the Eagles game, and Tomlin kicking a few of those PATs might've swung the Steelers game. Now, Dak is already better than about half the QBs in the league, but you can see his rookie struggles. They haven't really faced top tier defenses, except against the Eagles where he struggled for most of the game. They'll run into tough defenses in the playoffs. Dak is a great QB already and will only get better in the future, but unless Romo is literally crippled there's no denying Romo is better. Romo would've made several of the throws Dak has missed in recent weeks and they would've beaten the Steelers and Eagles much more comfortably. If they put Romo in I can see them going to the SB and winning. If they stay with Dak they'll eventually hit a wall. Their schedule is very favorable with weak defenses remaining (Vikings notwithstanding but they have no offense), but the playoffs are different.
Romo is better than Dak, full stop. Put Romo in and they're going to the SB, however painful it is for me to admit it.
You underestimate team chemistry and continuity. Inserting player x and the team gets better is a myth or every free agent and trade would work. Dallas should be looking at the bigger picture of how to sustain success and that picture doesn't have Romo in it.
CrocMother
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I don't think that there is any doubt that Romo is the better QB, but the team is probably better with Dak. The chemistry and leadership is off the charts.
yankeehater
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Hindl I just dont see it. Romo is not a playoff guy. He has had a bunch of chances to come up big in the playoffs and for whatever reason he hasnt. This year if you put him in he will have basically not played in almost 2 years. I would worry very much about him being rusty, on top of his age starting to slow him down. As much as I hate to say it i think Jerry is right to stick with Dak.
Hey bionic some good news for you:
Hey bionic some good news for you:
they just need to get it over with and make out already
They have a chance at having a the best offense Garrett will ever put together. Or they can sacrifice the season to give Dak experience? If we operate under the assumption that the draft is a crapshoot, then what they assembled is rare (hitting on three first round offensive lineman, are you kidding me?). Say they don't ever assemble an offense as talented, do they really want a QB that simply manages the game. Or a QB that can better utilize the talent they assembled.
It is a no brainer if Romo is looking better than Dak.
e: Walsh gone
I just don't think they can afford to pull him. By all accounts the team has rallied around him, so they have to ride that. I agree with Farooq that they have a higher ceiling with Romo, but esprit de corps and all that
I just don't think they can afford to pull him. By all accounts the team has rallied around him, so they have to ride that. I agree with Farooq that they have a higher ceiling with Romo, but esprit de corps and all that